Two-Tone Gloves

That's a first on me. I'm not aware of any set of rules that has a 3 base award for use of a two-tone glove, even when it's prohibited. Maybe bluezebra knows of one. It's not in the Official Baseball Rules...

D'oh!

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Originally posted by P-Dog:
That's a first on me. I'm not aware of any set of rules that has a 3 base award for use of a two-tone glove, even when it's prohibited. Maybe bluezebra knows of one. It's not in the Official Baseball Rules...

D'oh!

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The only 3-base award involving a glove is throwing it at, and hitting, a batted ball. I have never heard of any other 3-base award involving a glove. It's not in any baseball or softball rule book I've ever read. Maybe that coach printed his own.

All two-tone gloves are not illegal. As long as the colors are not contrasting, in most cases they're legal. For example: Black/dark gray; Black/navy blue; Dark brown/medium brown. Of course, Black/red is a big contrast, and illegal.

By the way, if that coach pulled a rule book on me, he's gone, and his replacement may file a protest.

As usual, the original poster didn't mention what type of district playoff; LL, Pony, Babe Ruth, FED. There is NO such rule in FED or LL, and I doubt in ANY "real" rule book.

Bob

From an eteamz baseball forum.

The ruling on "illegal gloves" for pitchers, in terms of colors normally has the following stipulations.

#1. The opposing team has to object to the glove.

#2. If they object, the pitcher will be instructed to replace the glove with a glove that conforms to the color rule.

There is no automatic penalty. Even if the other team objects, there isn't a penalty. The glove must be replaced and that's it.

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Originally posted by HiHardHeat:
The ruling on "illegal gloves" for pitchers, in terms of colors normally has the following stipulations.

#1. The opposing team has to object to the glove.

#2. If they object, the pitcher will be instructed to replace the glove with a glove that conforms to the color rule.

There is no automatic penalty. Even if the other team objects, there isn't a penalty. The glove must be replaced and that's it.

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The objection must come when the pitcher first steps on the rubber, NOT three innings later. If there was no complaint at first, it doesn't suddenly become distracting later.

Bob

The NFHS rule 1-3-6 states "the glove worn by the pitcher must be uniform in color and neither white or gray."

The rule does not refer to contrasting colors it states uniform in color. Black and tan are two different colors and are therefore not uniform. It is clear pitchers can not wear gloves of more than one color or gloves that are solid but gray or white.

The part that is confusing to me is the remedy/penalty.

The NFHS rulebook states the penalty for using an illegal glove is rule 8-3-c (1.) Each runner is awarded: 2 bases if a live thrown ball, including a pitch is touched by an illegal glove.

However there is a FED casebook ruling (1.15(D))that instructs the umpire to simply have a pitcher stop using a multi-colored glove.

Does the casebook ruling only apply to a situation where an opposing coach complains about a pitchers glove before a play is made?

My understanding of using an illegal glove is a little different.

A first baseman's mitt used at any other position would be an illegal glove. An oversized glove would be an illegal glove.

I'm probably wrong though... it sure won't be the first time.

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Originally posted by HiHardHeat:
My understanding of using an illegal glove is a little different.

A first baseman's mitt used at any other position would be an illegal glove. An oversized glove would be an illegal glove.

I'm probably wrong though... it sure won't be the first time.

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Mark up another WRONG answer. In FED, any fielder may use any glove/mitt. The only restrictions are the specifications. As long as the glove/mitt meets the height, width and webbing specifications, it's legal. The glove/mitt worn by the catcher may be any size.

The rule was changed years ago, because many players cannot afford two gloves/mitts.

RULE 1.3.6.a.b.c (Diagram 3)

Bob

BBFORLIFE,
It all looks simple to me unless the umpire's name is "Bill Clinton".

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The NFHS rule 1-3-6 states "the glove worn by the pitcher must be uniform in color and neither white or gray."

The rule does not refer to contrasting colors it states uniform in color. Black and tan are two different colors and are therefore not uniform. It is clear pitchers can not wear gloves of more than one color or gloves that are solid but gray or white.

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I say it must me uniform in color.

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The part that is confusing to me is the remedy/penalty.

The NFHS rulebook states the penalty for using an illegal glove is rule 8-3-c (1.) Each runner is awarded: 2 bases if a live thrown ball, including a pitch is touched by an illegal glove.

However there is a FED casebook ruling (1.15(D))that instructs the umpire to simply have a pitcher stop using a multi-colored glove.

Does the casebook ruling only apply to a situation where an opposing coach complains about a pitchers glove before a play is made?

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I would also like to hear the answer for this question!

"If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot."

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Originally posted by HiwasseeVol:
BBFORLIFE,
It all looks simple to me unless the umpire's name is "Bill Clinton".

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The NFHS rule 1-3-6 states "the glove worn by the pitcher must be uniform in color and neither white or gray."

The rule does not refer to contrasting colors it states uniform in color. Black and tan are two different colors and are therefore not uniform. It is clear pitchers can not wear gloves of more than one color or gloves that are solid but gray or white.

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_I say it must me uniform in color._

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The part that is confusing to me is the remedy/penalty.

The NFHS rulebook states the penalty for using an illegal glove is rule 8-3-c (1.) Each runner is awarded: 2 bases if a live thrown ball, including a pitch is touched by an illegal glove.

However there is a FED casebook ruling (1.15(D))that instructs the umpire to simply have a pitcher stop using a multi-colored glove.

Does the casebook ruling only apply to a situation where an opposing coach complains about a pitchers glove before a play is made?

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_I would also like to hear the answer for this question!_

_"If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot."_

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An illegal glove is one that does not meet the size specifications. Anytime an ilegal glove is discovered, the penalty is enforced. A multi-colored glove is a different situation. When a complaint is made, it's removed, unless the PU determines it's not a problem. Some coaches complain just to annoy the pitcher.

Bob

Bob

Sorry! Still confused. If the glove/mitt can only be illegal because of size specifications then why is there a rule about the uniformity of color? Thanks

Moc1

Because it's a "legal" glove that the pitcher (and only the pitcher) isn't allowed to wear. But there's no penalty for the pitcher wearing it besides making him take it off.

D'oh!

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Originally posted by Moc1:
Sorry! Still confused. If the glove/mitt can only be illegal because of size specifications then why is there a rule about the uniformity of color? Thanks

Moc1

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Your confusion is understandable, because the FED hasn't done a good job of clarifying the distinction between an illegal glove, which is a glove that does not meet the measurement specifications, and a "disallowed" glove for the pitcher, because it is white or gray or multi-colored. That distinction does exist, however, and the correct ruling for a multi-colored glove is to simply have the pitcher remove it.

I have questioned this for a long time. So is a black glove with tan lacing a legal glove for a pitcher?

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Originally posted by baseball17:
I have questioned this for a long time. So is a black glove with tan lacing a legal glove for a pitcher?

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Lacing isn't taken into consideration when referring to "contrasting colors". The fingers, palm and back of the glove are what could be distracting. The laces are not wide enough to distract. The smart thing to do, is dye the laces..

Bob

Here's some more scoop on the glove discussion:

SITUATION 5: The pitcher is using a fielding glove that is light brown outside and dark brown inside on the pocket of the glove. RULING: This is legal. Only if in U1’s judgment that this is distracting to the batter would F1 not be allowed to play with the glove. (1-3-7, 6-2-1h)

SITUATION 6: The pitcher is using a black fielding glove that has white lettering on it. RULING: If the umpire judges the white lettering on the glove to be distracting, he would instruct the pitcher to replace the glove. (1-3-7, 6-2-1h)

SITUATION 7: The pitcher is using a dark glove that has a white imprint of a baseball on the outside of the glove. RULING: This glove is illegal for use by a pitcher. (1-3-7, 6-2-1h)

http://www.nfhs.org/sports/baseball_interp.htm

Does Situation 7 mean ejection or awarded bases?

Here's another discussion from this board also:

http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=5316041581&f=4996003481&m=9096039864

No ejection. Just have the pitcher change gloves. If he comes out again with the same glove, I would seriously considering ejection for USC.

If a batted ball is touched by an illegal glove, 3 bases. If a thrown ball is touched by an illegal glove, 2 bases.

Bob