Two Tone Gloves for Pitchers

Have seen a pitcher told to change gloves after the opposing coach complained to the blue.

I thought there was more to the rule than simply "No two-tone gloves"? I'm pretty sure the rule specifies that they CAN have two-tone gloves but they can NOT have white or gray as one of the 2 colors.

I thought it was more somethign liek that, but wasn't sure - otherwise, why woudl they make the glove that way and advertise it as infielder/pitcher's glove??

Was hoping pilsner or PIAAUmp will chime in when they get on.

Looked good with the black web, too

Windmill.....did you do a search on here? I know it was discussed on here before.

Humble apologies, Oh Beezered one - I should have known there would be a past post on this. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest my shorts!!

Ruling [quoted from the post]:

The NFHS rule 1-3-6 states "the glove worn by the pitcher must be uniform in color and neither white or gray."

The rule does not refer to contrasting colors it states uniform in color. Black and tan are two different colors and are therefore not uniform. It is clear pitchers can not wear gloves of more than one color or gloves that are solid but gray or white.

What about college? Any different?? College uses ORB??

ORB says:
1.15(a) The pitcher’s glove may not be white, gray, nor, in the judgment of an umpire, distracting in any manner.[MY NOTE: This is different than the 'Uniform color" verbage from FED]
(b) No pitcher shall attach to his glove any foreign material of a color different from the glove.
(c) The umpire-in-chief shall cause a glove that violates Rules 1.15(a) or 1.15(b) to be removed from the game, either on his own initiative, at the recommendation of another umpire or upon complaint of the opposing manager with which the umpire-in-chief agrees.

I just got my new 2007 rule book, so I'll have to check, but I could swear that rule was changed. I think you can now use multi-color gloves as long as you don't use grey or white.

i just got a new white catchers mitt!!!! worth/rawlings
have seen them in infield out field patterns too but not listed as pitchers

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Originally posted by windmill:
Ruling [quoted from the post]:

The NFHS rule 1-3-6 states "the glove worn by the pitcher must be uniform in color and neither white or gray."

The rule does not refer to contrasting colors it states uniform in color. Black and tan are two different colors and are therefore not uniform. It is clear pitchers can not wear gloves of more than one color or gloves that are solid but gray or white.

Pleas don’t take what I’m about to post as being picky! I try very hard to only quote current rule sets, and other than what you quoted from OBR, the rules you posted don’t seem to match what I have.

Is that something in the 2007 book? I’m looking at the 2006 book and it says: The glove/mitt worn by the pitcher that includes the colors white and gray shall be illegal

I realize it looks close to the same, but its really different in that it says nothing at all about uniformity of color.

What about college? Any different?? College uses ORB??

As far as I’m aware, colleges in the NCAA use NCAA rules. JUCO’s in different states use different rule sets, and NAIA uses OBR as published by The Sporting News, not MLB. WARNING: TSN does not scrupulously keep its rule set updated, but it none-the-less is the Official Rule set of NAIA baseball. Personally, I’ve never scored an NAIA game, so I don’t have their rule book on hand.

There’s an approved ruling after 1.13c in the NCAA rules, and the penalties follow.
A.R.—For the fielder’s glove, the measurement shall be from the base of the inside seam of the first finger to the outside edge of the little finger. These measurements shall not exceed 53⁄4 inches in width at the top and 31⁄2 inches at the base. The pitcher’s glove must be uniform in color but not white or gray.
PENALTIES for a., b., and c.—
(1)A violator shall be given reasonable time to correct the situation. If it is not done, the violator shall be ejected from the game.
(2)If a catch is made with illegal equipment, the offensive team has the choice of taking the play or having the play voided with the pitch being made again (see 8-6-b).

Score - no such thing as picky when it comes to the rules - it is what it is - I'm just trying to find out WHAT it is.

The FED rule I quoted was a copy/paste from this site [the ultimate truth!!]. I did the same with OBR; I was unsure about NCAA - hopefully midlo's 2007 is an NCAA book.

Bottom line, I just wanted to know if a tan glove with some black on it was legal or not for a pitcher in college. Sounds like it's NOT in HS, but he used it for 2 yrs with no problems.

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Originally posted by windmill:
Humble apologies, Oh Beezered one - I should have known there would be a past post on this. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest my shorts!!

Windmill - To you I say "Boomdigity oombah mohbadah simbigooboo digity digity toofallah ooombowwow" Which loosely translated means....no sweat.

The NCAA rules do state that the glove can not have any gray or white. Two tone of any other colors is okay.

The NAIA does use the Official Professional Baseball Rules as Published by The Sporting News, and they have modifications to those rules. No place in the modifications does it mention anything about the color of the pitcher's glove.

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Originally posted by windmill:
Score - no such thing as picky when it comes to the rules - it is what it is - I'm just trying to find out WHAT it is.

The FED rule I quoted was a copy/paste from this site [the ultimate truth!!]. I did the same with OBR; I was unsure about NCAA - hopefully midlo's 2007 is an NCAA book.

Bottom line, I just wanted to know if a tan glove with some black on it was legal or not for a pitcher in college. Sounds like it's NOT in HS, but he used it for 2 yrs with no problems.

WHEW! Thanx for being understanding. Being a relatively new guy on the board, some folks have gotten the impression I’m too negative, or just spoiling for an argument, And that’s put me pretty much on the defensive when I’m dealing with someone I haven’t dealt with before.

One of the huge problems I find with all of this stuff is, THERE ARE TOO MANY FREAKIN’ BOOKS! What makes that even worse is, most people don’t want to really read the rules, and if they do, they often have either the wrong rule set, or its terribly outdated.

I may be wrong, but here’s the way it looks like things shake out on rules like this one. Uless its really something obviously distracting, its not likely the ump is gonna say anything without first being prompted by a coach or player. Something similar to the way coach’s box rules are enforced.

And most coaches or players aren’t gonna likely say something just because it doesn’t meet the letter of the rule. Likely they’ll say something to affect the situation. IOW, they want to get under someone’s skin. The reason for that is, coaches have memories like elephants when it comes to gamesmanship, and sooner or later, when you least expect it, they do something to get even!

But the bottom line is, ya rolls da dice and ya takes yer chances with these things. So much depends on the umps, the situation, the player, and how blatant it really is, its difficult to say what would or wouldn’t happen.

I made a decision about this junk when my son became a PO. I told him never to wear any kind of jewelry during a game, always make sure any undergarments were the same as the dark color of the uni he was wearing, and I never bought him a glove that wasn’t all one color. If you like a specific style, either you can do a little work and get it in a solid color, or learn to like another style. ;-)

There is little to no chance that in a college game it will depend on the umps. The NCAA coaches and umpires all view the same video regarding rules changes and points of emphasis. In my experience, umpires working the NCAA and NAIA are very professional.

Does this include pine tar? Or is it ok if it is of the same color?

Couldn't resist!

In HS we bought son a contrasting glove, only because he prefers a certain size and they didn't have it in solid and had to have it professionally dyed.

As far as I know, a pitcher cannot use contrasting gloves in D1. But could be wrong.

SK,
Have to agree with grateful, the NCAA umps are very professional and follow the rules.

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Originally posted by Scorekeeper:
And most coaches or players aren’t gonna likely say something just because it doesn’t meet the letter of the rule. Likely they’ll say something to affect the situation. IOW, they want to get under someone’s skin. The reason for that is, coaches have memories like elephants when it comes to gamesmanship, and sooner or later, when you least expect it, they do something to get even!

Kinda like Billy Martin and George Brett a while back.

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Originally posted by JimSmith#15:
i just got a new white catchers mitt!!!! worth/rawlings
have seen them in infield out field patterns too but not listed as pitchers

The Worth Liberty comes in solid blue for the pitchers.

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
SK,
Have to agree with grateful, the NCAA umps are very professional and follow the rules.

To be sure they are, and I wasn’t trying to imply anything else. Its just that they go through a lot of training and from what I understand, are told by either their league, association, or some governing body, how they are to proceed in certain situations. That’s where the casebooks and interps come in handy.

I don’t know if there’s a data base that contains all decisions like that, or even just protests and their results, but I doubt that its something most umps will actually go out and call just because it’s a rule violation.

The way it was explained to me by the head of the umpire’s assoc that did local HS NCAA, JUCO, and pro games is, an ump of course has the right to call any rule violation he sees, but there are some that are looked at as being a little different than many of the black and white things in the rules.

The glove thing for instance, is evidently based on the fact that multi colored gloves, white gloves, as well as other things like dangling jewelry, etc, can be considered as distractions, and therefore can be considered as either giving the P an unfair advantage or even be dangerous distractions.

At any rate their use can be considered as being unsportsmanlike conduct, the same as if a fielder might take a position in the batter’s line of vision. This fellow told me he would call the infraction on his own if it caused him any problem making calls, but other than that, he’d very likely leave it alone unless someone complained.

I suspect the reason its seen called fairly often in HS is, many players are playing with gloves they bought when they were playing kiddyball, and daddy was buying equipment without knowing what the rules were.

But by the time players get to college or beyond, they’ve usually come into the fold as it were, and just don’t buy or use equipment that will test fate.

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Originally posted by infidel_08:
Kinda like Billy Martin and George Brett a while back.

I suspect we can all think of at least a few instances where a coach remembers something a opposition player did to their team and later got his “due”.

I wish I could remember the details, but a friend of mine told me a story about when he was in the minor leagues and some player did something that showed up either the team or the coach, but before retribution could be exacted, the offending player was traded to the club he’d offended.

The way I remember it, he played for that team for a couple of years, then finally was traded and called up to the show, A year or so later, the manger of the offended team, and the eventual manager of the player, got a job as a manager in the Majors. The first time the player batted against the manager’s team, he got drilled in the ribs twice, Now that’s a long memory!

POST SCRIPT:

As I mentioned, I got some black leather dye at the shoe repair shop, and did what I thought was a decent job on darkening up the glove. Junior seemed satisfied, until he called Thursday night and said they were throwing brand new balls in practice and the one he was using turned BLACK!!! Took a lot of rubbing with some leatehr cleaner and a damp rag this weekend to bleed off the dye - Jr reported that it was OK yesterday.
LESSON - even though it felt dry, 5 days later it was still "bleeding"; if you try this at home, make sure it's good and dry, rub the heck out of it afterwards. All this trouble, should ahve gotten hima new one [don't tell him I said that!]

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Hey TPM...

That pine tar can only be up to the second digit webbing...correct?

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On the two tone issue, I have seen this called a few times over the years - only when the manager of the opposing team complains.

On the other hand, (pardon the pun) it can be a real problem when the pitcher in question is a lefty and there are no other lefty gloves available.

Given that there are many gloves out there that are legal, why push the issue?

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