How do you define "playing the big boys on a bigger stage." For anyone interested, go to www.boydsworld.com and look at strength of schedule. Most of the so-called "big dogs" non-conference schedule rankings look like cupcakes to me. Looks like those schools play on the "big stage" for 8 weekends and then drop down to a much smaller stage the rest of the season. Who can blame then, when they know that if they win 90% of their non-conference games and then play close to .500 in conference they will probably get into the regionals because of inflated RPI due to their conference schedule.
hawk11,
If the big dogs ain't playin the big dogs, who they gonna play?
If the big dogs ain't playin the big dogs, who they gonna play?
Former,
Just trying to pull back the curtain a little bit for people in the upper midwest to look a little closer at non-conference scheduling. Can you really say you are a premier program if you are riding your conference's coat tails to get your RPI up. Shouldn't you have to beat somebody good outside of your conference to justify finishing sub .500 in your league and still get into the regionals? Shouldn't you have to make your conference tournament to be able to be considered for a regional at-large berth. The West Coast schools get hammered come regional selection time because they are forced to have a non-conference schedule in the top 30 every year and have to have home and home series with those teams. Shouldn't a "big dog" win 35-45 games every year when their non-conference schedule is in the 150's and play all their games at home?
Just trying to pull back the curtain a little bit for people in the upper midwest to look a little closer at non-conference scheduling. Can you really say you are a premier program if you are riding your conference's coat tails to get your RPI up. Shouldn't you have to beat somebody good outside of your conference to justify finishing sub .500 in your league and still get into the regionals? Shouldn't you have to make your conference tournament to be able to be considered for a regional at-large berth. The West Coast schools get hammered come regional selection time because they are forced to have a non-conference schedule in the top 30 every year and have to have home and home series with those teams. Shouldn't a "big dog" win 35-45 games every year when their non-conference schedule is in the 150's and play all their games at home?
quote:Originally posted by hawk11:
How do you define "playing the big boys on a bigger stage." For anyone interested, go to www.boydsworld.com and look at strength of schedule. Most of the so-called "big dogs" non-conference schedule rankings look like cupcakes to me. Looks like those schools play on the "big stage" for 8 weekends and then drop down to a much smaller stage the rest of the season. Who can blame then, when they know that if they win 90% of their non-conference games and then play close to .500 in conference they will probably get into the regionals because of inflated RPI due to their conference schedule.
Your post bothers me because it indicates you don't really understand college SOS, ISR and RPI and how it ties in.
An example, Pacific is ranked high SOS. Pacific plays Clemson which was #1 RPI last year, and #4 ISR. By the way not slighting Pacific as I have no clue about them but just an example of SOS.
Who are the BIG BOYS supposed to play for non conference? If you hadn't noticed, you got some pretty BIG BOYS in the top 10 of SOS. You might want to also want to know that some of the BIG BOYS do play each other in non conference (ex Clemson vs. South Carolina or Georgia). That's ACC vs. SEC in non conference play, that doesn't sound cupcakey to me.
Some teams do play harder first half schedule (non conference) than the second half which is conference. And this works in their favor, playing better competition early wins conference championships. This is done on purpose and is very smart for positioning later for playoffs and to some teams means winning a super regional location.
Many teams also have to do this as they do not play championship games.
quote:Originally posted by hawk11:
Former,
Just trying to pull back the curtain a little bit for people in the upper midwest to look a little closer at non-conference scheduling. Can you really say you are a premier program if you are riding your conference's coat tails to get your RPI up. Shouldn't you have to beat somebody good outside of your conference to justify finishing sub .500 in your league and still get into the regionals? Shouldn't you have to make your conference tournament to be able to be considered for a regional at-large berth. The West Coast schools get hammered come regional selection time because they are forced to have a non-conference schedule in the top 30 every year and have to have home and home series with those teams. Shouldn't a "big dog" win 35-45 games every year when their non-conference schedule is in the 150's and play all their games at home?
Still not sure of your point. Are you saying that midwest schools need to schedule harder non conference? Or that the bigger schools play cupcake non conference?
Tiger Paw Mom,
I'm not speaking for Hawk 11, to be sure. But as an interested observer maybe what bothers some of us up North are the large number of teams with 20+ losses that get invited to the tournament because of the strength of their conference play. I acknowledge those conferences and those teams, but I think the perception might be that many of those teams do schedule many games against schools just for the purpose of piling up enough wins to influence the selection process. Is the tournament better because more warm weather schools from the big baseball conferences are invited, probably so. But I also believe that there are some conferences that should qualify more than one team, not just their tournament champion.
TPM, I always love your posts because I can learn from them. Visit us more often.
I'm not speaking for Hawk 11, to be sure. But as an interested observer maybe what bothers some of us up North are the large number of teams with 20+ losses that get invited to the tournament because of the strength of their conference play. I acknowledge those conferences and those teams, but I think the perception might be that many of those teams do schedule many games against schools just for the purpose of piling up enough wins to influence the selection process. Is the tournament better because more warm weather schools from the big baseball conferences are invited, probably so. But I also believe that there are some conferences that should qualify more than one team, not just their tournament champion.
TPM, I always love your posts because I can learn from them. Visit us more often.
itsrosey,
I think I get what you are saying.
It usually is not the other way around. In the end, when the human factor gets weighed into the equation, if you took the chance to play a more difficult teams and did well in non conference schedule you do deserve to go forward. You deserve that more than a team who played 58 sub par schedule.
The SOS is not the deciding factor in who ends up playing in the end. For a smaller school in a weaker conference it is very important, but is not and will never be for the bigger schools. Sometimes I get tired of big boy bashing.
I understand what you are saying about more schools getting opportunities other than winning their conference championships. In our conference you do not have to win to advance, and I see how some might think it not fair. However, if by chance you played almost every weekend in really tough competition (some may not know what that means), against teh best competition in the country (see PG's post) you would understand.
I think I get what you are saying.
It usually is not the other way around. In the end, when the human factor gets weighed into the equation, if you took the chance to play a more difficult teams and did well in non conference schedule you do deserve to go forward. You deserve that more than a team who played 58 sub par schedule.
The SOS is not the deciding factor in who ends up playing in the end. For a smaller school in a weaker conference it is very important, but is not and will never be for the bigger schools. Sometimes I get tired of big boy bashing.
I understand what you are saying about more schools getting opportunities other than winning their conference championships. In our conference you do not have to win to advance, and I see how some might think it not fair. However, if by chance you played almost every weekend in really tough competition (some may not know what that means), against teh best competition in the country (see PG's post) you would understand.
TPM, Thanks, and I do understand.
Tiger Paw Mom,
I am not big boy bashing by any means. I have the upmost respect for the programs that are in bigger conferences that play good outside competition. It is not a coincidence that these are the schools that usually end up making it to Omaha. Your school that you root for is a good example of that. But, take a close look at some of the other schools non-conference schedule's in your favorite school's conference. Most of the those non-conference schedules are 150 and below. 150 is in the bottom half for DI baseball.
Off the subject, but the right fit academically and playing time are the two most important choices when looking at schools. If a student-athlete lines those two things up, he will have a positive college experience. All SA's struggle a little with the baseball part when they first show up on campus. If they haven't chosen the right school for them academically, then they will struggle off the field as well. The transfer list that Baseball America.com puts out every year is a good reference for people on the website looking at schools. Another good reference is www.ncaa.org. You can look up APR and graduation rates for all DI schools.
I am not big boy bashing by any means. I have the upmost respect for the programs that are in bigger conferences that play good outside competition. It is not a coincidence that these are the schools that usually end up making it to Omaha. Your school that you root for is a good example of that. But, take a close look at some of the other schools non-conference schedule's in your favorite school's conference. Most of the those non-conference schedules are 150 and below. 150 is in the bottom half for DI baseball.
Off the subject, but the right fit academically and playing time are the two most important choices when looking at schools. If a student-athlete lines those two things up, he will have a positive college experience. All SA's struggle a little with the baseball part when they first show up on campus. If they haven't chosen the right school for them academically, then they will struggle off the field as well. The transfer list that Baseball America.com puts out every year is a good reference for people on the website looking at schools. Another good reference is www.ncaa.org. You can look up APR and graduation rates for all DI schools.
There are a whole lot of reasons why schools schedule as they do.
For someone like Clemson, you start with the necessity of having 30 conference games.
You add some games against traditional rivals, like South Carolina. No cupcake there, eh?
There may be some games against teams that are coached by people your coaches have personal relationships with. They might be doing a friend a favor, by letting their team brag to their recruits that at their school, they get to test themselves against the big boys like Clemson.
You also have to factor in player development. A freshman pitcher might not be ready to face the conference opponents, or maybe he is but the coaches aren't ready to throw him to the wolves just yet. So you bring in someone for a Tues. or Wed. game that you think appropriately tests guys like that. Maybe you also give a start or some sub time to guys who typically don't get into your weekend games, too. You're not looking for teams you can beat 20-0, because you want a real game, but the reality is you don't want to face other "big boys" every time, either.
Remember also that you can only travel so much for a mid-week game -- or if you're playing at home, the other guys can only travel so far. That limits you to teams within a few hours' driving distance.
What's more, you may not get your first choice. The one date you have open may not work for them, forcing you to choose someone else who is available.
Finally, bear in mind that if you're in a top conference, just about everyone else you might play might seem to be a comedown. After all, almost everyone is ranked lower than Clemson. And after UNC, Miami, Fl. State, UVA, Ga. Tech, etc., most opponents look like a comedown.
It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA's compressed schedule mandate does to schedules starting in 2008, too. Clemson opens this year Feb. 16-18 against George Mason. Next year, that series wouldn't be able to happen, as it comes a few days too early.
For someone like Clemson, you start with the necessity of having 30 conference games.
You add some games against traditional rivals, like South Carolina. No cupcake there, eh?
There may be some games against teams that are coached by people your coaches have personal relationships with. They might be doing a friend a favor, by letting their team brag to their recruits that at their school, they get to test themselves against the big boys like Clemson.
You also have to factor in player development. A freshman pitcher might not be ready to face the conference opponents, or maybe he is but the coaches aren't ready to throw him to the wolves just yet. So you bring in someone for a Tues. or Wed. game that you think appropriately tests guys like that. Maybe you also give a start or some sub time to guys who typically don't get into your weekend games, too. You're not looking for teams you can beat 20-0, because you want a real game, but the reality is you don't want to face other "big boys" every time, either.
Remember also that you can only travel so much for a mid-week game -- or if you're playing at home, the other guys can only travel so far. That limits you to teams within a few hours' driving distance.
What's more, you may not get your first choice. The one date you have open may not work for them, forcing you to choose someone else who is available.
Finally, bear in mind that if you're in a top conference, just about everyone else you might play might seem to be a comedown. After all, almost everyone is ranked lower than Clemson. And after UNC, Miami, Fl. State, UVA, Ga. Tech, etc., most opponents look like a comedown.
It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA's compressed schedule mandate does to schedules starting in 2008, too. Clemson opens this year Feb. 16-18 against George Mason. Next year, that series wouldn't be able to happen, as it comes a few days too early.
Nice post Midlo.
Good points.
Good points.
Some valid and very good posts.
One thing that (unless I missed it) happens probably more often than not is that the "bottom feeders"
are actively seeking out some of the "big boys".
While they might not want all the big boys, I know that some do try and schedule some of the best teams they can before starting their own conference. I doubt UC Santa Barbara, Cal Poly, Pepperdine, etc... went looking for Dartmouth.
I would be willing to bet that UIC went looking for the "big boys" as opposed to the "big boys" seeking out UIC.
Can't always blame it on the big boys seeking out patsies. JMHO.
One thing that (unless I missed it) happens probably more often than not is that the "bottom feeders"
are actively seeking out some of the "big boys".While they might not want all the big boys, I know that some do try and schedule some of the best teams they can before starting their own conference. I doubt UC Santa Barbara, Cal Poly, Pepperdine, etc... went looking for Dartmouth.
I would be willing to bet that UIC went looking for the "big boys" as opposed to the "big boys" seeking out UIC.
Can't always blame it on the big boys seeking out patsies.
JMHO.
posted by Midlo Dad:
"What's more, you may not get your first choice. The one date you have open may not work for them, forcing you to choose someone else who is available."
Usually the smaller teams try to schedule to play larger teams, and play on their turf and sometimes get part of the gate fee, not the other way around.
posted by Midlodad,
"Finally, bear in mind that if you're in a top conference, just about everyone else you might play might seem to be a comedown. After all, almost everyone is ranked lower than Clemson. And after UNC, Miami, Fl. State, UVA, Ga. Tech, etc., most opponents look like a comedown."
Pretty bold statment about teams that you consider "a comedown". Any team can win on any given day. I have never heard coaches or son refer to smaller programs as "comedowns".
Posted by Midlodad:
"It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA's compressed schedule mandate does to schedules starting in 2008, too. Clemson opens this year Feb. 16-18 against George Mason. Next year, that series wouldn't be able to happen, as it comes a few days too early."
If teams were very smart they would have begun scheduling more mid week games. I know Clemson has always played 5 game week schedules, but that is also due to the fact that in that area there are many schools to play. It's going to be tough on those that want to get in more games other than conference. BTW, each year Clemson schedules new teams for non conference weekends, check it out.
Frank,
That was my whole point of my posts, for some reason some think the "big boys" go looking for easy non conference games.
JMO
"What's more, you may not get your first choice. The one date you have open may not work for them, forcing you to choose someone else who is available."
Usually the smaller teams try to schedule to play larger teams, and play on their turf and sometimes get part of the gate fee, not the other way around.
posted by Midlodad,
"Finally, bear in mind that if you're in a top conference, just about everyone else you might play might seem to be a comedown. After all, almost everyone is ranked lower than Clemson. And after UNC, Miami, Fl. State, UVA, Ga. Tech, etc., most opponents look like a comedown."
Pretty bold statment about teams that you consider "a comedown". Any team can win on any given day. I have never heard coaches or son refer to smaller programs as "comedowns".
Posted by Midlodad:
"It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA's compressed schedule mandate does to schedules starting in 2008, too. Clemson opens this year Feb. 16-18 against George Mason. Next year, that series wouldn't be able to happen, as it comes a few days too early."
If teams were very smart they would have begun scheduling more mid week games. I know Clemson has always played 5 game week schedules, but that is also due to the fact that in that area there are many schools to play. It's going to be tough on those that want to get in more games other than conference. BTW, each year Clemson schedules new teams for non conference weekends, check it out.
Frank,
That was my whole point of my posts, for some reason some think the "big boys" go looking for easy non conference games.
JMO
What is the compressed schedule mandate?
I think the little dog playing the big dog has more to do with guarantee money. "Chasing the guarantee" is an instrumental part of some programs even being able to play a full 56 game schedule.
I will be interested to see if there are any affects on teams win/loss record when scheduling becomes a little more regionalized with the common start date.
Does anyone else miss the old days of the College World Series? Regionals were just that, regionals, Maine was in it every year because they were the best team in the northeast.
Most other DI sports except football, basketball and baseball select the regional participants by rankings within their regions, not for the entire country if I am not mistaken.
Is RPI a true gauge for who should get into the regionals? Baseball is different than basketball and football because of budgetary issues. Most West Coast schools don't have the budgets to travel across the country to play and the Midwest and East Coast schools don't need to go to the West Coast to get their games in. I said it earlier that the West Coast schools get snubbed come regional time because they play harder non-conference schedules because they have to. They have no choice. And lets face it, 42 wins looks a lot better than 33 wins even if the team with 42 wins played the 225th ranked non-conference schedule and the team with 33 wins played the 15th when it is still human beings making the selections.
I will be interested to see if there are any affects on teams win/loss record when scheduling becomes a little more regionalized with the common start date.
Does anyone else miss the old days of the College World Series? Regionals were just that, regionals, Maine was in it every year because they were the best team in the northeast.
Most other DI sports except football, basketball and baseball select the regional participants by rankings within their regions, not for the entire country if I am not mistaken.
Is RPI a true gauge for who should get into the regionals? Baseball is different than basketball and football because of budgetary issues. Most West Coast schools don't have the budgets to travel across the country to play and the Midwest and East Coast schools don't need to go to the West Coast to get their games in. I said it earlier that the West Coast schools get snubbed come regional time because they play harder non-conference schedules because they have to. They have no choice. And lets face it, 42 wins looks a lot better than 33 wins even if the team with 42 wins played the 225th ranked non-conference schedule and the team with 33 wins played the 15th when it is still human beings making the selections.
quote:Southern Schools are less expensive, and also not rated as high academically as high as most Northern Schools as well.
Huh??? I think you may want to peruse the web sites of schools like University of Florida, UNC, GT, UVa, and so forth to see what the truth is, because you certainly use a broad brush with that statement. UF is very difficult for out-of-state students to enter, as is UNC. UVa - it goes without saying. GT is a top engineering school nationally. By contrast, once upon a time, anyone with a HS degree could get into UIC (Circle Campus).
With the exceptions of Illinois, Northwestern, UM, and maybe UW, the Big Ten is not academically outstanding, just large, which by the numbers alone will get them some top students. As for the rest of Illinois' public schools (ISU, EIU, SIU, NIU, WIU) you can put them in a bag and shake them out - they've not established any sort of academic reputation superior to other similarly sized and supported state schools in the South or Southeast. A number of southern states (Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Texas) have programs that favor in-state kids with tuition, so they are indeed cheaper than schools in the North that don't have such programs.
Athletically, I think it should be evident with what UF did in the BCS game this year, smoking a terribly overrated OSU team, and USC in the Rose BOwl, dusting an overrated UM team, that the South and West are far superior to the North and Midwest. UF is also the defending NCAA D1 basketball champion, and with the recruits they have coming in on top of existing talent, will be much better in baseball this year. With the numbers of athletes and the relatively low cost to stay in-state, the rosters of southern programs rarely have a kid from out-of-state. So, he has to be pretty exceptional - better than the same in-state kid - and willing to work for books, to get there.
As for Dave Cales, my knowledge of the situation suggests it was likely he was misled a bit by Mizzou staff, but that should come as no surprise to anyone who has been through the recruiting process...'nuff said.
There are exactly 2 SEC school in the top 70 Universities as rated by US News. That is U of Florida at #47 and Georgia even further down.
The Big Ten has all 11 schools in the top 70.
Keep in mind that many schools in that ranking are private schools and Southern or Northern are very expensive.
The Big Ten has all 11 schools in the top 70.
Keep in mind that many schools in that ranking are private schools and Southern or Northern are very expensive.
FastballDad....Can you say ACC?
Some of the best schools in the land.
and...they play the best baseball.
Some of the best schools in the land.
and...they play the best baseball.
Why do the Big West and Pac 10 not play for conference championship?
If you read BA, NCAA likes how the selection process is working.
If you read BA, NCAA likes how the selection process is working.
I am not bashing those schools for having bad academics. There are going to be better fits for kids academically than others. A DIII school where a kid fits in academically, socially and he is going to play a lot might be a better fit.
How many of GT baseball players are engineering majors? Once again it sounds like somebody is riding coat tails. Good ploy to sell kids on the education and then have them all in the same classes. I thought part of going to college was getting the degree you wanted, not the degree you have to get to graduate.
How many of GT baseball players are engineering majors? Once again it sounds like somebody is riding coat tails. Good ploy to sell kids on the education and then have them all in the same classes. I thought part of going to college was getting the degree you wanted, not the degree you have to get to graduate.
Even though UIC is in Chicago they can play with anybody. Remember when they put Nebraska on the ropes in a regional? Thats the great thing about baseball, anybody can beat anybody on any given day. I am the type of person who can never buy into the theory of having big names on your roster makes you unbeatable, thats why we play the games.
Yes you are right Soxnole......I guess I think of most ACC Teams as being Mid-Atlantic.
And Carl, I'll still take all the "big names" I can get.
And Carl, I'll still take all the "big names" I can get.
The best D1 baseball conference is the SEC.
SEC is a great conference. But my preference is the Pac-10.
Beenthere, your right on the money. The SEC is the top D1 Conference. There is alot of very good baseball conferences around the country but the SEC should again be at the top of the power conferences in 2007.
SEC....WAS
ACC.....IS!
The 2 best Conferences will battle, but this is the year of the ACC.
ACC.....IS!
The 2 best Conferences will battle, but this is the year of the ACC.
quote:Originally posted by soxnole:
SEC....WAS
ACC.....IS!
The 2 best Conferences will battle, but this is the year of the ACC.
It usually comes down to this with regards to best conference---where is your son playing or has played!!!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
It usually comes down to this with regards to best conference---where is your son playing or has played!!!
another
Note to TR.....
Clemson (2) and Florida State (13) are 2 of 6 ACC teams in the top 13.
Seems as if we Mommy's and Daddy's have infuenced the voters!
Clemson (2) and Florida State (13) are 2 of 6 ACC teams in the top 13.
Seems as if we Mommy's and Daddy's have infuenced the voters!
quote:Originally posted by soxnole:
Note to TR.....
Clemson (2) and Florida State (13) are 2 of 6 ACC teams in the top 13.
Seems as if we Mommy's and Daddy's have infuenced the voters!
I called in my vote, did you!
TR does bring up a good point, and many feel that the conference (or school) or son's play in is the best. Or perhaps some have attended, alumni make great fans!
TPM.
You are sooooooooo nice. Must be that kind south Florida weather.
However, there is a huge difference in the overall level of competition, coaching, athletes and baseball facilities when comparing the top 16 Conferences with the other Conferences.
In fact, the top 5
ACC
SEC
Big 12
Conference USA
PAC 10
could almost have a Division of thier own. The RPI of these 5 Conferences is signifigantly higher than the next 14 and that 14 is light years ahead of the bottom 12.
This is not meant to disparage,it's fact. To put 293 teams in D1 is a travesty. Are there weak teams in the top 5 Conferences?...not many, but the flip side is there are NO good teams in the MEAC and SWAC and maybe 1 or 2 in many of the other Conferences.
I'm not saying that these teams don't have some outstanding talent, just not enough of it!
By the way, I have sons that have played in the ACC,Sun Belt,Missouri Valley and the Southland.
You are sooooooooo nice. Must be that kind south Florida weather.
However, there is a huge difference in the overall level of competition, coaching, athletes and baseball facilities when comparing the top 16 Conferences with the other Conferences.
In fact, the top 5
ACC
SEC
Big 12
Conference USA
PAC 10
could almost have a Division of thier own. The RPI of these 5 Conferences is signifigantly higher than the next 14 and that 14 is light years ahead of the bottom 12.
This is not meant to disparage,it's fact. To put 293 teams in D1 is a travesty. Are there weak teams in the top 5 Conferences?...not many, but the flip side is there are NO good teams in the MEAC and SWAC and maybe 1 or 2 in many of the other Conferences.
I'm not saying that these teams don't have some outstanding talent, just not enough of it!
By the way, I have sons that have played in the ACC,Sun Belt,Missouri Valley and the Southland.
Here are the teams from 4 top conferences. The number to the right is there preseason ranking on pgcrosschecker.com top 100.
Not that this list is the gospel, but notice the large number of teams ranked in the top 100 in these conferences. These four conferences account for about 40% of the top 100 list.
ACC
Boston College (84)
Clemson (3)
Duke
Florida State (23)
Georgia Tech (17)
Maryland
Miami (9)
North Carolina (4)
NC State (28)
Virginia (6)
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest (47)
SEC
Alabama (24)
Arkansas (8)
Auburn (50)
Florida (29)
Georgia (32)
Kentucky (52)
LSU (44)
Ole Miss (16)
Mississippi State (55)
South Carolina (1)
Tennessee (26)
Vanderbilt (10)
BIG 12
Baylor (35)
Kansas (83)
Kansas State
Missouri (62)
Nebraska (20)
Oklahoma (37)
Oklahoma State (15)
Texas (5)
Texas A&M (48)
Texas Tech (69)
Pac 10
Arizona (25)
Arizona State (7)
Cal (74)
Oregon
Oregon State (12)
Stanford (22)
UCLA (18)
Southern Cal (40)
Washington (78)
Washington State (67)
Not that this list is the gospel, but notice the large number of teams ranked in the top 100 in these conferences. These four conferences account for about 40% of the top 100 list.
ACC
Boston College (84)
Clemson (3)
Duke
Florida State (23)
Georgia Tech (17)
Maryland
Miami (9)
North Carolina (4)
NC State (28)
Virginia (6)
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest (47)
SEC
Alabama (24)
Arkansas (8)
Auburn (50)
Florida (29)
Georgia (32)
Kentucky (52)
LSU (44)
Ole Miss (16)
Mississippi State (55)
South Carolina (1)
Tennessee (26)
Vanderbilt (10)
BIG 12
Baylor (35)
Kansas (83)
Kansas State
Missouri (62)
Nebraska (20)
Oklahoma (37)
Oklahoma State (15)
Texas (5)
Texas A&M (48)
Texas Tech (69)
Pac 10
Arizona (25)
Arizona State (7)
Cal (74)
Oregon
Oregon State (12)
Stanford (22)
UCLA (18)
Southern Cal (40)
Washington (78)
Washington State (67)
You know, maybe we could do like the IHSA and break up Div 1 into 4 separate classes so we can have 3 more National Champs!
Didn't Nebraska and Florda, last year, both show that there is a fine line between the top and the bottom of DI baseball. A few key injuries for any DI team is going to bring the top back to middle and the middle to the bottom.
Take Nebraska's four hole hitter out of their lineup and they are two and out in the regionals. Some of Florida's best pitchers and their best hitter went down last year and we see where they ended up (weren't they supposed to be a lock for Omaha at the beginning of last season).
Did we learn nothing from Boise State beating Okalhoma this January?
Did we learn nothing from Clubber Lang beating the "paper champion" Rocky Balboa in Rocky III?
Take Nebraska's four hole hitter out of their lineup and they are two and out in the regionals. Some of Florida's best pitchers and their best hitter went down last year and we see where they ended up (weren't they supposed to be a lock for Omaha at the beginning of last season).
Did we learn nothing from Boise State beating Okalhoma this January?
Did we learn nothing from Clubber Lang beating the "paper champion" Rocky Balboa in Rocky III?
Hawk 11-
One of these days, some one from around here will win it all to the surprise of everyone. It will make a wonderful movie and become a classic, just like "the Rookie!" The system does not really favor us for many reasons but maybe global warming will help us out down the road, or better yet, the system might change. Boise State was undefeated, correct?
One of these days, some one from around here will win it all to the surprise of everyone. It will make a wonderful movie and become a classic, just like "the Rookie!" The system does not really favor us for many reasons but maybe global warming will help us out down the road, or better yet, the system might change. Boise State was undefeated, correct?
Not gonna happen.
Can't compare football to baseball at playoff time.
Can't compare football to baseball at playoff time.
Is there a college playoff time for Division I football ?
Try Reading Comprehension Class #101 TR!
What do you mean it can't happen? Three years ago, who would have given Oregon State a chance to win the College World Series. Two years ago was the first time they had even been to a regional under Coach Casey.
Soxnole, I hate to ruffle your feathers but how deep can FSU be when they have to take their SS and put him behind the dish. How will their season be affected if he goes down?
Soxnole, I hate to ruffle your feathers but how deep can FSU be when they have to take their SS and put him behind the dish. How will their season be affected if he goes down?