Soxnole, don't bring up Hallberg moving an all-american behind the dish. He probably would have played SS instead of 2B last year at UIC.
sox
Wake up and smell the coffee and take off the freaking blinders---others here have had their sons play Division I baseball you know--- you are not unique other than your blatant sarcasm and condescending attitude
Wake up and smell the coffee and take off the freaking blinders---others here have had their sons play Division I baseball you know--- you are not unique other than your blatant sarcasm and condescending attitude
The best players most always go to the best schools. There arent many times that you see a 2nd round draft pick turning it down to go to UIC or SIU. You cant compare the depth of talent between the schools up here to the best of the best. Clemson, ASU, Texas.. etc, will always recruit off the top 100 player list. The northern schools dont have a chance with players on that list.
To sum it up, if the best players go to the best schools, then the best schools will always have the best teams. It is consistent.
To sum it up, if the best players go to the best schools, then the best schools will always have the best teams. It is consistent.
Kenny,
Your wisdom belies your age.
While Tr rants that it is somehow an arrogance, the facts speak for themselves.
Btw, I believe it is not mannerly Tom, to bring up ones son when you are blathering. Read the manners section over again please. Leave the kids out of your personal aggravations.
How in heck can you be a baseball guy when you can't banter back and forth at all. They must have loved you on the bench.
Your wisdom belies your age.
While Tr rants that it is somehow an arrogance, the facts speak for themselves.
Btw, I believe it is not mannerly Tom, to bring up ones son when you are blathering. Read the manners section over again please. Leave the kids out of your personal aggravations.
How in heck can you be a baseball guy when you can't banter back and forth at all. They must have loved you on the bench.
Kenny,
You're making a lot of sense.
Some examples taken from our rankings, using top ranked players from some Northern States. People can draw their own conclusion. I’m a big fan of Northern baseball, but understand the difficulties they have without recruiting nationally.
Illinois
3 highest ranked players
2 to Arizona Stae
1 to Clemson
Note – 2 other top ranked guys going to Illinois which is good for a change.
Connecticut
2 highest ranked players
1 to Vanderbilt
1 to North Carolina
Iowa
Highest ranked player
1 to Wichita State
Note - Last years top ranked player to Georgia Tech
Idaho
2 highest ranked
1 to Texas
1 to Oregon State
Indiana
2 highest ranked
1 to Stanford
1 to Georgia Tech
Massachusetts
Highest ranked
1 to Stanford
Michigan
2 highest ranked
1 to LSU
1 to Notre Dame
Missouri
Highest ranked
1 to Nebraska
New Jersey
5 highest ranked
1 to North Carolina
1 to Wake Forest
1 to LSU
2 to Notre Dame
New York
3 highest ranked
1 to Texas Christian
1 to Notre Dame
1 to Virginia
Ohio
2 highest ranked
1 to Georgia Tech
1 to North Carolina State
Pennsylvania
5 highest ranked
2 to South Carolina
2 to Virginia
1 to Wake Forest
Rhode Island
Highest ranked
1 to NC State
There are probably more, but it does look like the very top guys in the north are headed south or to power programs. The top players in the south and west seem to stay there. There are a lot of good players in the north but the best of them usually head south or go pro. This does not help conferences like the Big 10. Only Minnesota seems to keep their best in state players most often. Some real good ones, but not enough to be in that college world series very often.
You're making a lot of sense.
Some examples taken from our rankings, using top ranked players from some Northern States. People can draw their own conclusion. I’m a big fan of Northern baseball, but understand the difficulties they have without recruiting nationally.
Illinois
3 highest ranked players
2 to Arizona Stae
1 to Clemson
Note – 2 other top ranked guys going to Illinois which is good for a change.
Connecticut
2 highest ranked players
1 to Vanderbilt
1 to North Carolina
Iowa
Highest ranked player
1 to Wichita State
Note - Last years top ranked player to Georgia Tech
Idaho
2 highest ranked
1 to Texas
1 to Oregon State
Indiana
2 highest ranked
1 to Stanford
1 to Georgia Tech
Massachusetts
Highest ranked
1 to Stanford
Michigan
2 highest ranked
1 to LSU
1 to Notre Dame
Missouri
Highest ranked
1 to Nebraska
New Jersey
5 highest ranked
1 to North Carolina
1 to Wake Forest
1 to LSU
2 to Notre Dame
New York
3 highest ranked
1 to Texas Christian
1 to Notre Dame
1 to Virginia
Ohio
2 highest ranked
1 to Georgia Tech
1 to North Carolina State
Pennsylvania
5 highest ranked
2 to South Carolina
2 to Virginia
1 to Wake Forest
Rhode Island
Highest ranked
1 to NC State
There are probably more, but it does look like the very top guys in the north are headed south or to power programs. The top players in the south and west seem to stay there. There are a lot of good players in the north but the best of them usually head south or go pro. This does not help conferences like the Big 10. Only Minnesota seems to keep their best in state players most often. Some real good ones, but not enough to be in that college world series very often.
quote:Originally posted by nc42dad:
You know, maybe we could do like the IHSA and break up Div 1 into 4 separate classes so we can have 3 more National Champs!
Yeah...that's the ticket!
And sometimes different choices for different players.What is wrong with a hometown guy wanting to play locally? What's wrong with finding the best academic/ahtletic choice, in-state? God, I'm praying for the Sox!We'd have a more level talent pool if some players would stay put, insted of heading south. What's wrong with wanting to have some familiar people up in those stands that can cheer for you without re-morgaging the house?
Yeah,yeah, we know all about the challege of higher levels, hanging with the "big boys"etc...
But, you know about that big fish/small pond story?
When the hook goes down, that big fish will be the first he catches!
Yeah,yeah, we know all about the challege of higher levels, hanging with the "big boys"etc...
But, you know about that big fish/small pond story?
When the hook goes down, that big fish will be the first he catches!
quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:quote:Originally posted by nc42dad:
You know, maybe we could do like the IHSA and break up Div 1 into 4 separate classes so we can have 3 more National Champs!
Yeah...that's the ticket!
Why the next thing you know, they'll have D-IAA, D-II, D-III.
stickwatcher,
It's important that you understand where we are coming from here.
These are the cards were dealt with. It's whats happening.
Why?
Because of better weather
Better facilities
Better competition
Better coaching
and so on.......
I'm not saying that our kids SHOULD go elsewhere, I'm simply pointing out that there are dozens of reasons that our boys DO go south when they have a chance!
It would be great if the playing field was level but it is not. As PG has pointed out, we all support northern baseball but the facts speak for themselves.
By the way, if the northern schools want to make a run at the top players they should look into what Tennessee, ND, Kentucky and Louisville are up to. Knoxville is NOT the warmest place in the country but they have paid for the big name coach, invested in tremendous facilities and play in a premier conference. 8 of thier 30 players are from Florida!
It's important that you understand where we are coming from here.
These are the cards were dealt with. It's whats happening.
Why?
Because of better weather
Better facilities
Better competition
Better coaching
and so on.......
I'm not saying that our kids SHOULD go elsewhere, I'm simply pointing out that there are dozens of reasons that our boys DO go south when they have a chance!
It would be great if the playing field was level but it is not. As PG has pointed out, we all support northern baseball but the facts speak for themselves.
By the way, if the northern schools want to make a run at the top players they should look into what Tennessee, ND, Kentucky and Louisville are up to. Knoxville is NOT the warmest place in the country but they have paid for the big name coach, invested in tremendous facilities and play in a premier conference. 8 of thier 30 players are from Florida!
PG-
I've never really seen any hard core stats on the matter, and maybe it is too hard to truly calculate a "what if" but how well do the Northern kids who go South pan out? Do you have any feel for that?
Another thing that comes to mind, do the Northern kids sit/redshirt a lot when they head South? Would a kid be better served staying here (North) and playing right away versus getting limited playing time at a top Southern school? Any feel for that? I really have no idea. A Pro scout told us a while back, don't get caught up on the name on the building - go somewhere we can see you play. What's your take? Thanks
I've never really seen any hard core stats on the matter, and maybe it is too hard to truly calculate a "what if" but how well do the Northern kids who go South pan out? Do you have any feel for that?
Another thing that comes to mind, do the Northern kids sit/redshirt a lot when they head South? Would a kid be better served staying here (North) and playing right away versus getting limited playing time at a top Southern school? Any feel for that? I really have no idea. A Pro scout told us a while back, don't get caught up on the name on the building - go somewhere we can see you play. What's your take? Thanks
sox
I didn't mention your son--I simple said that others have had kids play Division I as well--you are not the only one
I dont rant--I try to explain to you that there is another REAL WORLD outside of your own mind
And Kenny, the best players do not always go to the best schools and the best schools do not always have the best teams---many kids go where they like the school, the coaches, the players and can play before their junior year---many will look to go to a last place team in a strong conference because of the competition and the chance to play sooner
I didn't mention your son--I simple said that others have had kids play Division I as well--you are not the only one
I dont rant--I try to explain to you that there is another REAL WORLD outside of your own mind
And Kenny, the best players do not always go to the best schools and the best schools do not always have the best teams---many kids go where they like the school, the coaches, the players and can play before their junior year---many will look to go to a last place team in a strong conference because of the competition and the chance to play sooner
I agree with what Kenny Smalls has said but would like to point out that not ALL the best players are in the south or the west. Here are some notable exceptions from Ohio last year and of course there are others:
Emmanuel Burriss (SS) Kent State San Francisco Giants Round: 1-sup (Overall: 33)
Andrew Saylor (2B) Kent State Florida Marlins Round: 13 (Overall: 395)
Chad Wagler (RHP) Kent State Houston Astros Round: 22 (Overall: 669)
Joseph Tucker (CF) Kent State Detroit Tigers Round: 24 (Overall: 712)
Matthew Long (RHP) Miami (OH) Chicago White Sox Round: 2 (Overall: 73)
Keith Weiser (LHP) Miami (OH) Colorado Rockies Round: 3 (Overall: 78)
Graham Taylor (LHP) Miami (OH) Florida Marlins Round: 10 (Overall: 305)
Ronald Bourquin (3B) Ohio State Detroit Tigers Round: 2 (Overall: 50)
Jedidiah Stephen (SS) Ohio State Baltimore Orioles Round: 8 (Overall: 235)
Cory Luebke (LHP) Ohio State Texas Rangers Round: 22 (Overall: 658)
And my personal favorite is from the D3 CWS Champions Marietta:
Michael Eisenberg (RHP) Marietta Cleveland Indians Round: 8 (Overall: 251) (Note: Eisenberg is from Florida)
Emmanuel Burriss (SS) Kent State San Francisco Giants Round: 1-sup (Overall: 33)
Andrew Saylor (2B) Kent State Florida Marlins Round: 13 (Overall: 395)
Chad Wagler (RHP) Kent State Houston Astros Round: 22 (Overall: 669)
Joseph Tucker (CF) Kent State Detroit Tigers Round: 24 (Overall: 712)
Matthew Long (RHP) Miami (OH) Chicago White Sox Round: 2 (Overall: 73)
Keith Weiser (LHP) Miami (OH) Colorado Rockies Round: 3 (Overall: 78)
Graham Taylor (LHP) Miami (OH) Florida Marlins Round: 10 (Overall: 305)
Ronald Bourquin (3B) Ohio State Detroit Tigers Round: 2 (Overall: 50)
Jedidiah Stephen (SS) Ohio State Baltimore Orioles Round: 8 (Overall: 235)
Cory Luebke (LHP) Ohio State Texas Rangers Round: 22 (Overall: 658)
And my personal favorite is from the D3 CWS Champions Marietta:
Michael Eisenberg (RHP) Marietta Cleveland Indians Round: 8 (Overall: 251) (Note: Eisenberg is from Florida)
TR...You do rant.
Your world is the greatest! You win!
and NY is where we all would like to live!............... LOLOLOLOLOLOL
and...did you read PG's posts?...or are you stuck with your head in the sand?
From a percentage standpoint, the best players go to the best schools and conferences.
To attend Maryland, Oregon, BC or Louisville for instance would fit in with these facts as they are in top conferences.
Your world is the greatest! You win!
and NY is where we all would like to live!............... LOLOLOLOLOLOL
and...did you read PG's posts?...or are you stuck with your head in the sand?
From a percentage standpoint, the best players go to the best schools and conferences.
To attend Maryland, Oregon, BC or Louisville for instance would fit in with these facts as they are in top conferences.
ClevelandDad,
Good points.
Kent State has a go getter, great recruiter that learned his trade @ Ga. Tech in the ACC.
If the northern schools copy Kent States approach they will begin to even things up.
Even with that a certain pitcher @ Coastal chose the Chanticlers over Kent.
Good points.
Kent State has a go getter, great recruiter that learned his trade @ Ga. Tech in the ACC.
If the northern schools copy Kent States approach they will begin to even things up.
Even with that a certain pitcher @ Coastal chose the Chanticlers over Kent.
Fall Signings are great for PR, but what matters is who shows up on campus, and who stays at the schools that they sign with out of HS.
Free agency in college baseball has got to stop.
Free agency in college baseball has got to stop.
hawk11...You sure are right about that!
For instance, ASU and Texas seems to lead the free world in promises and in bringing in huge classes...then discarding whomever they decide is expendabe.
Nebraska and Miami have similar reps.
A ridiculous fact....29% of D1 players transfer!!
This is NOT ALWAYS the fault of the program. Players often over-rate themselves and cannott be patient enough to wait for thier opportunity. The more prominent the program, the longer the wait may be.
For instance, ASU and Texas seems to lead the free world in promises and in bringing in huge classes...then discarding whomever they decide is expendabe.
Nebraska and Miami have similar reps.
A ridiculous fact....29% of D1 players transfer!!
This is NOT ALWAYS the fault of the program. Players often over-rate themselves and cannott be patient enough to wait for thier opportunity. The more prominent the program, the longer the wait may be.
Soxnole,
I finally have to completely agree with you on it not being the fault of the program. The blame needs to be put on the student-athletes and the parents for a) not doing their homework or b) doing their homework and then crying sour grapes when their son is run out of the program or asked to go to a JC.
Also, isn't that Chanticleer now back at UIC? Also, Josh Linbloom figured out maybe West Lafayette was a little more of what he wanted than Knoxville. Can't blame that on amount of playing time either. He was the highest drafted player in that draft not to sign if I am correct.
I finally have to completely agree with you on it not being the fault of the program. The blame needs to be put on the student-athletes and the parents for a) not doing their homework or b) doing their homework and then crying sour grapes when their son is run out of the program or asked to go to a JC.
Also, isn't that Chanticleer now back at UIC? Also, Josh Linbloom figured out maybe West Lafayette was a little more of what he wanted than Knoxville. Can't blame that on amount of playing time either. He was the highest drafted player in that draft not to sign if I am correct.
Hawk,
To the best of my knowledge Josh is still @ Tennessee...he was part of Baseball America's report (just released) on the Vols in thier top 25 Capsule report.
and that Chanticler is still at Coastal after a great red shirt year.
I believe you may have my OPRF Chant confused with another lefty from LWE.
To the best of my knowledge Josh is still @ Tennessee...he was part of Baseball America's report (just released) on the Vols in thier top 25 Capsule report.
and that Chanticler is still at Coastal after a great red shirt year.
I believe you may have my OPRF Chant confused with another lefty from LWE.
quote:
This is NOT ALWAYS the fault of the program. Players often over-rate themselves and cannott be patient enough to wait for thier opportunity. The more prominent the program, the longer the wait may be.
Not always, but how much? I know that varies from program to program, but when Arkansas takes 20 NLI's for 4 graduating seniors, you have to ask how much the coaches encouraged the player that they would get a "fair shot to make the team". (not trying to single out Arkansas here, they are among many)
The simple answer is, give each team 22 full scholarships that can't be divided and then you won't have the problems of transfer and GPA. The NCAA is too fair and too smart to figure out that simple equation though.
PG,
That was good information.
While I do not always agree with soxnole, he brings good points to the discussion. And in no way is my agreeing with what he says, meant to be misunderstood as ill commentary towards any other program, player, talent, etc.
What is important to understand is that you don't understand unless you have actually been to see competition within the top conferences in the country. And there are many many smaller programs on the rise because of the things soxnole brought up, spending money on facilities and quality coaching, playing better opponents. That is what, IMO, will make talented players stay close to home, because in most of the country, besides FL, CA and Texas, it is possible to have very many miserable days (ask mine) and very cold nights until spring.
As far as making it to a championship series, to get there, you need every hitter in your lineup to produce and huge depth in your pitching staff. You cannot get there any other way, even if you have the best pitching or hitting prospect in the country. Smaller teams have wins against bigger programs during the season, and that's great, but pitching with ALL programs gets thinned out come mid June, you need a stable of arms and healthy ones too.
I do believe that is why they design the playoffs the way that they do.
FYI, when you do get to the championship series, everything becomes equal, you got there because you had the depth on your team to get you there.
Then that little thing called experience, helps you to understand what it is all about and what you need to do to win it all.
That was good information.
While I do not always agree with soxnole, he brings good points to the discussion. And in no way is my agreeing with what he says, meant to be misunderstood as ill commentary towards any other program, player, talent, etc.
What is important to understand is that you don't understand unless you have actually been to see competition within the top conferences in the country. And there are many many smaller programs on the rise because of the things soxnole brought up, spending money on facilities and quality coaching, playing better opponents. That is what, IMO, will make talented players stay close to home, because in most of the country, besides FL, CA and Texas, it is possible to have very many miserable days (ask mine) and very cold nights until spring.
As far as making it to a championship series, to get there, you need every hitter in your lineup to produce and huge depth in your pitching staff. You cannot get there any other way, even if you have the best pitching or hitting prospect in the country. Smaller teams have wins against bigger programs during the season, and that's great, but pitching with ALL programs gets thinned out come mid June, you need a stable of arms and healthy ones too.
I do believe that is why they design the playoffs the way that they do.
FYI, when you do get to the championship series, everything becomes equal, you got there because you had the depth on your team to get you there.
Then that little thing called experience, helps you to understand what it is all about and what you need to do to win it all.
This has turned into an interesting topic.
Lots of very good points being made. Here are some of my opinions FWIW! Remember, I'm wrong a lot so don't think these comments are based on anything other than opinion!
stickwatcher,
Absolutely nothing wrong and everything right about that. It's usually only the very top players who leave their home state. They are the ones getting the best offers from out of state schools. The truth is it's less expensive for everyone concerned to stay in state unless you are offered a great deal.
Soxnole,
I know what you're getting at, but there are some great facilities in the North... Nebraska and Cincinnati to name a couple. And there are many great coaches in the North (too many to start naming them). Have to agree with the competition and definitely the weather.
nc42dad,
I think the northern kids who go south do the same as a whole as the southern kids who stay south. Some make it and some don't. We must remember the majority of those going south or west are the very best from the north. Playing right away is a big deal, but I don't really see that as a north/south/west issue. The very best players usually play right away where ever they're at.
TR,
Very true, except the very best for some reason seem to be going to the very best programs.
ClevelandDad,
That's what is great about the system. You can end up being among the best no matter where you are. It is proven every year. That said, it would be interesting to know how heavily these particular players were recruited by the "power" schools when they came out of high school. Remember there are many more great players than there are power college programs. Kent State will become one of the top programs in the north unless there is a coaching change. And it's nopt like all the best players get away. Michigan recruited a top 10-20 in the nation guy from their home state last year. I agree with Soxnoles opinion of Kent State!
Hawk11,
Glad to see your opinions here. And you have nailed it. Many of these top recruits at top colleges will never actually show up for class. Schools like Clemson, Arizona State, etc. lose some of their best recruits every year. Note: watch Arizona States class dwindle after the draft! Then again Stanford is another story!
CPLZ,
I think at most colleges anywhere in the country you will find that the senior class is the lowest in numbers. This is for several reasons... Some are draft eligible as sophomores, all are draft eligible as juniors, some end up injured, some quit, some flunk, some get in trouble, some transfer, etc. I truly believe that every time a coach offers a scholarship, he is going to give that player a fair shot to make the team. Be a pretty dumb coach to give money otherwise. Maybe you're talking about walk ons (I don't know). A walk on should understand his position going in. He needs to be better (not the same) as the money guys!
Lots of very good points being made. Here are some of my opinions FWIW! Remember, I'm wrong a lot so don't think these comments are based on anything other than opinion!
quote:And sometimes different choices for different players.What is wrong with a hometown guy wanting to play locally? What's wrong with finding the best academic/ahtletic choice, in-state?
stickwatcher,
Absolutely nothing wrong and everything right about that. It's usually only the very top players who leave their home state. They are the ones getting the best offers from out of state schools. The truth is it's less expensive for everyone concerned to stay in state unless you are offered a great deal.
quote:Because of better weather
Better facilities
Better competition
Better coaching
and so on.......
Soxnole,
I know what you're getting at, but there are some great facilities in the North... Nebraska and Cincinnati to name a couple. And there are many great coaches in the North (too many to start naming them). Have to agree with the competition and definitely the weather.
quote:PG-
I've never really seen any hard core stats on the matter, and maybe it is too hard to truly calculate a "what if" but how well do the Northern kids who go South pan out? Do you have any feel for that?
Another thing that comes to mind, do the Northern kids sit/redshirt a lot when they head South? Would a kid be better served staying here (North) and playing right away versus getting limited playing time at a top Southern school? Any feel for that? I really have no idea. A Pro scout told us a while back, don't get caught up on the name on the building - go somewhere we can see you play. What's your take? Thanks
nc42dad,
I think the northern kids who go south do the same as a whole as the southern kids who stay south. Some make it and some don't. We must remember the majority of those going south or west are the very best from the north. Playing right away is a big deal, but I don't really see that as a north/south/west issue. The very best players usually play right away where ever they're at.
quote:And Kenny, the best players do not always go to the best schools and the best schools do not always have the best teams---many kids go where they like the school, the coaches, the players and can play before their junior year---many will look to go to a last place team in a strong conference because of the competition and the chance to play sooner
TR,
Very true, except the very best for some reason seem to be going to the very best programs.
quote:I agree with what Kenny Smalls has said but would like to point out that not ALL the best players are in the south or the west. Here are some notable exceptions from Ohio last year and of course there are others:
Emmanuel Burriss (SS) Kent State San Francisco Giants Round: 1-sup (Overall: 33)
Andrew Saylor (2B) Kent State Florida Marlins Round: 13 (Overall: 395)
Chad Wagler (RHP) Kent State Houston Astros Round: 22 (Overall: 669)
Joseph Tucker (CF) Kent State Detroit Tigers Round: 24 (Overall: 712)
Matthew Long (RHP) Miami (OH) Chicago White Sox Round: 2 (Overall: 73)
Keith Weiser (LHP) Miami (OH) Colorado Rockies Round: 3 (Overall: 78)
Graham Taylor (LHP) Miami (OH) Florida Marlins Round: 10 (Overall: 305)
Ronald Bourquin (3B) Ohio State Detroit Tigers Round: 2 (Overall: 50)
Jedidiah Stephen (SS) Ohio State Baltimore Orioles Round: 8 (Overall: 235)
Cory Luebke (LHP) Ohio State Texas Rangers Round: 22 (Overall: 658)
And my personal favorite is from the D3 CWS Champions Marietta:
Michael Eisenberg (RHP) Marietta Cleveland Indians Round: 8 (Overall: 251) (Note: Eisenberg is from Florida)
ClevelandDad,
That's what is great about the system. You can end up being among the best no matter where you are. It is proven every year. That said, it would be interesting to know how heavily these particular players were recruited by the "power" schools when they came out of high school. Remember there are many more great players than there are power college programs. Kent State will become one of the top programs in the north unless there is a coaching change. And it's nopt like all the best players get away. Michigan recruited a top 10-20 in the nation guy from their home state last year. I agree with Soxnoles opinion of Kent State!
quote:Fall Signings are great for PR, but what matters is who shows up on campus, and who stays at the schools that they sign with out of HS.
Hawk11,
Glad to see your opinions here. And you have nailed it. Many of these top recruits at top colleges will never actually show up for class. Schools like Clemson, Arizona State, etc. lose some of their best recruits every year. Note: watch Arizona States class dwindle after the draft! Then again Stanford is another story!
quote:Not always, but how much? I know that varies from program to program, but when Arkansas takes 20 NLI's for 4 graduating seniors, you have to ask how much the coaches encouraged the player that they would get a "fair shot to make the team". (not trying to single out Arkansas here, they are among many)
The simple answer is, give each team 22 full scholarships that can't be divided and then you won't have the problems of transfer and GPA. The NCAA is too fair and too smart to figure out that simple equation though.
CPLZ,
I think at most colleges anywhere in the country you will find that the senior class is the lowest in numbers. This is for several reasons... Some are draft eligible as sophomores, all are draft eligible as juniors, some end up injured, some quit, some flunk, some get in trouble, some transfer, etc. I truly believe that every time a coach offers a scholarship, he is going to give that player a fair shot to make the team. Be a pretty dumb coach to give money otherwise. Maybe you're talking about walk ons (I don't know). A walk on should understand his position going in. He needs to be better (not the same) as the money guys!
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
CPLZ,
Maybe you're talking about walk ons (I don't know). A walk on should understand his position going in. He needs to be better (not the same) as the money guys!
PG,
I understand the natural attrition towards upperclassmen. I was more referring to the practice of offering "book money" scholarships to a dozen players or more players for only a few open roster spots. With the natural allure of the prestige of many of the schools, it makes it a fairly easy sell. At that point the coach has minimal investment per student and basically holds tryouts with the winners getting better compensation deals in the following season.
I am not a baseball insider, but have had more than one college coach explain to me that this is not an uncommon practice at some of the glamour schools. Please do correct me if you feel my characterization is off base.
Texas
ASU
Nebraska
are a few of the culprits.
as well as parents/players that don't do thier homework.
ASU
Nebraska
are a few of the culprits.
as well as parents/players that don't do thier homework.
CPLZ,
Yes you are correct when putting it that way. Guess I've never understood why a playerv receiving books would think he will play ahead of those who the college has a big investment in.
Here is how it works IMO
The college wants to win... The coach needs to win... It takes players to win... There are only 11.7 scholarships... They all hope to get a nice surprise or two beyond that 11.7... They are hoping that one of the "books" kids turn out to have an impact... Sometimes that does happen... The coach will give the player a fair chance, at least in the coaches mind if not the player's mind... The player should realize his position to begin with... That would start by understanding the coaching staffs position.
In the case you bring up, it's the player, not the college, who is taking the biggest risk.
Topics like this is yet another reason why this site can be so helpful to some.
Yes you are correct when putting it that way. Guess I've never understood why a playerv receiving books would think he will play ahead of those who the college has a big investment in.
Here is how it works IMO
The college wants to win... The coach needs to win... It takes players to win... There are only 11.7 scholarships... They all hope to get a nice surprise or two beyond that 11.7... They are hoping that one of the "books" kids turn out to have an impact... Sometimes that does happen... The coach will give the player a fair chance, at least in the coaches mind if not the player's mind... The player should realize his position to begin with... That would start by understanding the coaching staffs position.
In the case you bring up, it's the player, not the college, who is taking the biggest risk.
Topics like this is yet another reason why this site can be so helpful to some.
Lindbloom is on Purdue's roster, not Tennessee.
quote:Originally posted by Goose:
Miles Clauss has transferred to North Carolina State along with the pithcing coach from Texas, Tom Holiday. He didn't loose any eligibility either.
I'm watching the NC State/Wake Forest ACC game and I don't see Clauss' name on the NC State roster. Anyone know why? Thanks in advance.
Academic casualty ! Don't want to beat the kid up right now. N.C. State & Tom Holliday wanted him to red-shirt. He wanted to come home, loved baseball there, hated the school. He really missed Texas in a big way. All fact, no fiction... It is that simple. Needs to get his head screwed on right in a hurry. May petition to enter June 07 draft. Would be a mistake IMHO. Needs to head to J.C. if he wants to continue career.