Interesting article: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-wo...ds-of-ucla-pitchers/
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Very interesting.
I am sure that they are not the only program that pushes the limit. Not that I agree with pitcher over use, but stuff happens.
If teams are weary of pitchers getting injured, why was Schmidt from South Carolina drafted in the first round having TJS before the draft?
Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Go44dad posted:Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole must be considered failures to you then.
TPM posted:I am sure that they are not the only program that pushes the limit. Not that I agree with pitcher over use, but stuff happens.
If teams are weary of pitchers getting injured, why was Schmidt from South Carolina drafted in the first round having TJS before the draft?
Brady Aiken taken #17 after TJ too
...and the 200 other D1 teams that never sniff a Regional or a CWS don't over work their pitcher because?
...hint they are irrelevant.
I am pretty sure the charts on every other major program who compete at the highest levels have the same profiles.
pnw2017 posted:Go44dad posted:Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole must be considered failures to you then.
There are always guys surviving being overworked, cy young threw like 400 innings every year. Does that mean it is safe to throw 400 ip a year?
With everything that we know now I think it is good that colleges that do that are publically shamed. I understand college ball is not low minor league ball and college coaches actually need to win to keep your job and you do that best by riding your horses but I believe in the future pro prospects will avoid programs that go too far with their top arms. That should shift the balance a little toward less overuse.
I see that the average D1 pitcher can't be that picky but the top guys can.
Yes a TJ is not the end anymore but there are also shoulder injuries that are still career ending and other injuries and even TJ increases the chance of a second injury. Overuse is still a bad thing and coaches who do it know when the information is out should be shamed publically.
By reputation, TCU, Vandy, and I suppose Florida aren't known for overworking their pitchers, right? Would be interesting to see what the data showed.
Found this:
www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-wo...ospects/#more-256380
"Whereas the typical college junior throws at least 115 pitches in 10% of regular-season starts, UCLA coach John Savage pushed Canning past the mark in 50% of his games over the past two years.
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The heat map below shows the rate of games in which pitchers recorded Pitch Smart violations.
Nearly half of pitcher-seasons saw no Pitch Smart violations. Of those that did, most rates were between 6%–8%, or slightly worse than the average 2012–2015 regular-season rate for college juniors (5%). The exceptions are the 14% clip posted by Houck this year, the large 27% rate from Romero’s freshman season, and every year from Canning.
pnw2017 posted:Go44dad posted:Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole must be considered failures to you then.
Not at all. Didn't mention anything about success or failure.
Go44dad posted:pnw2017 posted:Go44dad posted:Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole must be considered failures to you then.
Not at all. Didn't mention anything about success or failure.
They are pitching beyond college... success, no arm problems.
pnw2017 posted:Go44dad posted:pnw2017 posted:Go44dad posted:Very clear. Don't go to UCLA if you hope to pitch beyond college.
Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole must be considered failures to you then.
Not at all. Didn't mention anything about success or failure.
They are pitching beyond college... success, no arm problems.
And Canning and Kaprelian on the other side. A couple of anecdotes one way or the other don't prove much.