What are the restrictions for HS Baseball teams in the off-season as far as what they can do during the athletic period, etc.?
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Sshhhhhh......... 
I'm with Texan -- I don't think I'd admit it if I knew....(but I don't). 
They cannot do anything longer than the school period. Usually an hour to an hour and a half. Once the bell rings and the school day is over, then you're done.
1 hour is the limit even if the period is an hour and a half. In that hour they can do it all. That hour includes getting dressed out as well as time to change back into street clothes.
Texan / Panther Dad: Are you guys implying the rules should be ignored? This is exactly the kind of attitude that gets coaches fired and players inelegible.
Some folks just don't have a sense of humor.
it's just not that funny ....
I thought it was 
I'd bet that the kids who couldn't participate in UIL competition, or that lost eligibility altogether for a year, wouldn't think it was very funny either. I'd also bet the families of coaches that lost jobs because of UIL violations wouldn't see the humor in it.
What I find funny is guys that think certain rules can be broken or bent for whatever reason as long as it benefits their kid. Or as long as nobody gets caught. Or that certain rules count just a little less than others.
I'm curious - would you find it funny if your son's coach encouraged cheating on tests so he could remain academically eligible? Or that the coach ignored the use of alcohol at a team party?
What I find funny is guys that think certain rules can be broken or bent for whatever reason as long as it benefits their kid. Or as long as nobody gets caught. Or that certain rules count just a little less than others.
I'm curious - would you find it funny if your son's coach encouraged cheating on tests so he could remain academically eligible? Or that the coach ignored the use of alcohol at a team party?
UIL is working on their web site right now but when they are finished review this section for your answer:
Section 1206: SCHOOL PRACTICE And GAME RESTRICTIONS
Hope this helps.
Section 1206: SCHOOL PRACTICE And GAME RESTRICTIONS
Hope this helps.
quote:Originally posted by itsagreatgame:
it's just not that funny ....
P'dad's response provided me with a much needed laugh. Sorry it didn't do the same for you, IAGG.
And you are reading WAY too much into a few lighthearted comments. Just because a little joke takes place, doesn't mean anyone condones all the things you managed to reel off in a list.
If I tell the old Lone Ranger/Tonto joke, would you think I condone murder, betrayal, etc.? Gosh, I would hope not. But then, maybe you would...
Itsa -- you have a decent number of posts here -- if you don't know that I was joking, then you're not paying attention. Historically speaking, I have served as a (limited) source of information on UIL issues -- you can research my posts if that helps. I don't condone cheating -- never have. In this case, I knew the workouts are to be somewhat limited in terms of length. If I am not mistaken, the rules were more restrictive a few years ago. But I can't quote the Rule/Article/Paragraph. I also figured that your question would be answered by a coach or two -- which was indeed the case.
Most coaches and players that are reprimanded for violating UIL rules commit more "serious" offenses than spending too much time practicing during the off-season. Granted the rules are there to make it a level playing field.
I'll try to be funnier in future posts.
Most coaches and players that are reprimanded for violating UIL rules commit more "serious" offenses than spending too much time practicing during the off-season. Granted the rules are there to make it a level playing field.
I'll try to be funnier in future posts.
Panther Dad: Alright....you happen to touch on a topic that's pretty sensitive to me personally. I didn't mean to go off on you.
As you stated the rules are there to insure a level playing field and (unstated)to protect the student athlete. I don't necessarily like all the UIL rules. In fact, in my opinion some of them don't need to be there; then again, some of them are very important and maybe more should be done to enforce them.
The unfortunate thing is that all too often they are ignored or violated and taken for granted by coaches, players and parents (booster clubs). When a complaint and sanctioning take place, it is the player that ultimately suffers. As you also stated,the sanctions usually come after a series of rules violations. That implies that it is o.k. to violate the rules unless you get caught. (I'm not saying that you are implying this.) That's not the message I want my kid hearing. He's had an earfull already.
As you stated the rules are there to insure a level playing field and (unstated)to protect the student athlete. I don't necessarily like all the UIL rules. In fact, in my opinion some of them don't need to be there; then again, some of them are very important and maybe more should be done to enforce them.
The unfortunate thing is that all too often they are ignored or violated and taken for granted by coaches, players and parents (booster clubs). When a complaint and sanctioning take place, it is the player that ultimately suffers. As you also stated,the sanctions usually come after a series of rules violations. That implies that it is o.k. to violate the rules unless you get caught. (I'm not saying that you are implying this.) That's not the message I want my kid hearing. He's had an earfull already.
I think it is unfortunate when kids are impacted by rules violations. But, from my perspective, coaches are the main culprits -- no offense funnel, swingdoc, TK, and others. For the most part, our booster club is there to support the coach -- we don't tell him how to do his job (well, we do as parents, but not as the collective voice of the boosters). We trust the bc officers to understand the rules as they relate to booster club activities (meals, etc.)......but rely on the coach to know the rules concerning participation -- even the obscure stuff.
It's really quite simple from a high-level -- so, let me oversimplify! Your school board & athletic director need to hire men and women that have integrity. In order to do that, they need to be men and women of integrity themselves. And -- you elect them -- so you need to have integrity and make good decisions at election time. Without intergrity -- cheating can become rampant. The record speaks for itself.
All three of my sons have or will graduate from Plano East High School. I don't have to worry about finding a system with integrity -- it's here. We have a system where I can become knowledgeable about UIL rules for curiosity sake, not because I need to run around making sure Coach Collins doesn't break the rules and thereby impact my son. I'm fortunate -- I know it's not like that everywhere.
And before someone comes back with the steroid/integrity issue in Plano -- my stance is equally simple, suspend and/or banish illegal drug users and fire coaches that look the other way. My opinion is different in regard to legal suppliments, but I know they can also be problematic.
I'd like to hear examples of where UIL violations impact atletes directly, especially where minor rules violations are the root cause. Itsagg -- fill us in -- why is this subject so close to you? You can remain anonymous (like me, HA!).
-PD
as parents, but not as the collective voice of the boosters). We trust the bc officers to understand the rules as they relate to booster club activities (meals, etc.)......but rely on the coach to know the rules concerning participation -- even the obscure stuff. It's really quite simple from a high-level -- so, let me oversimplify!
Your school board & athletic director need to hire men and women that have integrity. In order to do that, they need to be men and women of integrity themselves. And -- you elect them -- so you need to have integrity and make good decisions at election time. Without intergrity -- cheating can become rampant. The record speaks for itself.All three of my sons have or will graduate from Plano East High School. I don't have to worry about finding a system with integrity -- it's here. We have a system where I can become knowledgeable about UIL rules for curiosity sake, not because I need to run around making sure Coach Collins doesn't break the rules and thereby impact my son. I'm fortunate -- I know it's not like that everywhere.
And before someone comes back with the steroid/integrity issue in Plano -- my stance is equally simple, suspend and/or banish illegal drug users and fire coaches that look the other way. My opinion is different in regard to legal suppliments, but I know they can also be problematic.
I'd like to hear examples of where UIL violations impact atletes directly, especially where minor rules violations are the root cause. Itsagg -- fill us in -- why is this subject so close to you? You can remain anonymous (like me, HA!).
-PD
PD: I'm not sure that minor rule violations have ever directly impacted the student athlete to any great degree. However, if you search the UIL website (hearings, sanctions, violations) you can find documentation of those programs that have been seriously impacted by violations. Usually those sanctioned coaches /programs have a number of violations. They seem to ignore a lot of the rules. PM me if you want or need more specific instruction on finding programs / coaches / individuals sanctioned. I think you might be surprized at the number of booster club violations that have caused problems for some schools.
As far as my personal interest in the matter, I'd rather not go into that in a public forum. Suffice it to say that one coach with heavy sanctions negatively impacted not only the school he was asked to leave but the school that subsequently hired him.
As far as my personal interest in the matter, I'd rather not go into that in a public forum. Suffice it to say that one coach with heavy sanctions negatively impacted not only the school he was asked to leave but the school that subsequently hired him.
Panther Dad: You have a PM regarding the topic.
So, why hire a coach with a history of "heavy sanctions"? -- see above post. Is that the best they could do (I doubt it) or is it a case where the coaching "inner circle" took precedent? I have no problem with giving a guy a 2nd chance -- but when his history includes a lack of regard for UIL or district rules, then an AD gets what he deserves. IMO.
Hmmmmm, Interesting
OMG.......how in the world was this taken seriously?
Someone needs to get a grip and relax. It's fall for goodness sake. How can anyone get an edge up with football, girls, school, dances, homecoming, volleyball, girls, homework, girls, trucks, cars, etc......?
I understand the obvious potential for these so called "rules violations", however the thought that someone is holding secret practices and getting in 2 hours of baseball work a day seems a bit over the top.
Maybe it's just me, but I really think we need a reality check here.
How did this escalate to the vile and viscous circumventing of the rules?
Someone needs to get a grip and relax. It's fall for goodness sake. How can anyone get an edge up with football, girls, school, dances, homecoming, volleyball, girls, homework, girls, trucks, cars, etc......?
I understand the obvious potential for these so called "rules violations", however the thought that someone is holding secret practices and getting in 2 hours of baseball work a day seems a bit over the top.
Maybe it's just me, but I really think we need a reality check here.
How did this escalate to the vile and viscous circumventing of the rules?
PD you have a PM
Hehe -- "vile and viscous circumventing of the rules" -- hehe. My son seems most concerned with the items you listed Outsider -- especially the girls! When I get home tonight, I'll make sure he isn't changing clothes on the bus on the way to class -- our baseball conditioning class takes place during 1st period -- and he has to ride the bus back to his school. 
Captain Jack -- got something to say?
Captain Jack -- got something to say?
The UIL site has a PDF file entitled, "Regulations for Off Season and Non-School Participation" -- also, "2005-2006 Booster Club Guidelines".
http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics
*shrug*
http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics
*shrug*
PD,
Thanks for the invitation to respond!! I don't really have anything to add on the subject. It seems that we agree on this subject!! Thanks again and PEACE
Thanks for the invitation to respond!! I don't really have anything to add on the subject. It seems that we agree on this subject!! Thanks again and PEACE