Runner on 2nd base (no one on 1st or 3rd). Batter hits line drive that hits the umpire stationed behind pitcher and ball falls to ground.
What happens? Dead ball I assume. Batter goes where? Runner on 2nd goes where?
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NFHS rule 5 Section 1 article 1 (F)
A ball becomes dead immediately when:
F: a fair batted ball touches a runner or umpire before touching any fielder and before passing any fielder other than the pitcher.
Ruling- Dead ball.. runners return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch unless forced by batter runner. Batter awarded first base and credited with a single.
Your case.....dead ball, runner returns to second and Batter awarded 1st...
A ball becomes dead immediately when:
F: a fair batted ball touches a runner or umpire before touching any fielder and before passing any fielder other than the pitcher.
Ruling- Dead ball.. runners return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch unless forced by batter runner. Batter awarded first base and credited with a single.
Your case.....dead ball, runner returns to second and Batter awarded 1st...
Ump:
Did I read this right? So if a batted ball hits a runner, both the runner and the batter are safe, and the runner returns to the base?
Did I read this right? So if a batted ball hits a runner, both the runner and the batter are safe, and the runner returns to the base?
No,although a batted ball hitting both a runner and umpire would both result in a dead ball, it does so with different results.
My response is for batted ball hitting an Umpire (see italics). Which is umpire interference.
Hitting a runner in these circumstances would result in the runner being called out and the batter runner being awarded first.
My response is for batted ball hitting an Umpire (see italics). Which is umpire interference.
Hitting a runner in these circumstances would result in the runner being called out and the batter runner being awarded first.
Batter is awarded a single?
That would be correct.
If ball hits pitcher and then umpire standing behind the mound, is it still immediately dead?
No. Play on in that case.
I saw a funny one yesterday in a state playoff softball game. Base umpire caught a fair ball after it had passed the fielder and the 3rd base bag. Once he realized what he had done, he dropped the hot potato and turned to look for a hole to crawl into. Poor guy must have felt like the world's biggest horse's patoot. This was correctly ruled a live ball. (not his call 
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just one more question on my scenario with ball hitting pitcher then umpire standing behind the mound. If first base umpire (3 man system in district playoffs) calls time (incorrectly), is the play still immediately dead on the time call?
In our recent game, the runner from first was going to second, but stopped when he heard "time called" was later tagged out. Umps first awarded second base to that runner from first, with batter safe at first, but later reversed the call with runner going to second called out.
In our recent game, the runner from first was going to second, but stopped when he heard "time called" was later tagged out. Umps first awarded second base to that runner from first, with batter safe at first, but later reversed the call with runner going to second called out.
The first call was correct. The umpire can't put a runner in jepardy my making an incorrect ruling. Once he called time he has to figure out how to fix it.
I may be mistaken but last time i checked when the ball hits the runner, the runner is out.
Not always. Under FED rules, if the ball has passed an infielder other than the pitcher, and no other infielder has a play, the runner is not out and the ball stays live. NCAA is similar. OBR has the runner out unless he had no chance to avoid the ball (i.e., the runner was shielded by a fielder, and the ball passed through or directly by that fielder.
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
Under FED rules, if the ball has passed an infielder other than the pitcher, and no other infielder has a play, the runner is not out and the ball stays live.
Can you clarify?? If 3B is in, misplays a groundball, hits runner @ second going to third, but the SS may have had a play then you can cal the runner out? I didn't know that.
That is correct in any code. In FED is F5 had a shot but the SS doesn't then play on. In FED only if the ball goes between two fielders and neither has a play then the ball is live. Same play in OBR, the runner is out.
Did F5 touch the ball when he misplayed it? If so, the runner can't be out for being hit by the ball (unless, of course, he intentionally interferes).