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Umpires That Should Retire or Be Fired (LD Bell / East)

S Stiglitz10+ posts
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Originally posted by BJG:
cwag - great info. that correlates with my buddy, who coaches football at East, and said that it must of been foul because the outfielder was laid out in foul territory.....


Been gone a few days. Let's make sure the truth doesn't become a casualty here.

"Laid out in foul territory." ?!!??

Nobody was "laid out" or "dived"...the LF crossed the LF line, into foul territory and jumped straight up in the air.

As for other kids losing the ball in the sky that day...I remember that happening once. The East pitcher called for a pop up that was hit between him and the East 3B. He appeared to lose it in the sun but that's because he faced southwest when he pitched and that's where the sun was between 2:00-3:00pm that Saturday.

The 3B umpire has no excuse when it comes to losing the ball in the sky. He was running north and the sun was in the west southwest. The sun was to his side / over his left shoulder. The ball was hit high in the air and I'd imagine that he was 100-120 feet (30-40 yards away) away from the fence when the ball went over.

Everybody now knows the ball was fair...so why would the 3B umpire emphatically rule it foul? If he didn't see it, why call anything?

He sure as heck didn't act like he was in the mood to go to the HP umpire to bail him out after making the call. He had a long, animated discussion with the East coach and only then begrudgingly went to the other umpires.

During that "conference," the 3B umpire appeared (key word) to be doing all the talking with several hand gestures in the mix as well. He very clearly did not want his call overturned. Instead of speaking up and doing the right thing, the rest of the crew stood there like mutes.

1) Don't call what you don't see...and if you don't see it, don't become emphatic that you did see it.

2) Don't be afraid to ask for help.

3) Getting the call right and shelving your ego (it's high school baseball, your ego needs to be in check) trumps all.

4) I can buy that one of the other umpires lost the ball but I can't buy that none of them saw what happened. If you're on a crew like this and somebody got the call wrong, do the right thing and speak up.
TX-Ump74TX-Ump74100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Stiglitz:
quote:
Originally posted by BJG:
cwag - great info. that correlates with my buddy, who coaches football at East, and said that it must of been foul because the outfielder was laid out in foul territory.....


Been gone a few days. Let's make sure the truth doesn't become a casualty here.

"Laid out in foul territory." ?!!??

Nobody was "laid out" or "dived"...the LF crossed the LF line, into foul territory and jumped straight up in the air.

As for other kids losing the ball in the sky that day...I remember that happening once. The East pitcher called for a pop up that was hit between him and the East 3B. He appeared to lose it in the sun but that's because he faced southwest when he pitched and that's where the sun was between 2:00-3:00pm that Saturday.

The 3B umpire has no excuse when it comes to losing the ball in the sky. He was running north and the sun was in the west southwest. The sun was to his side / over his left shoulder. The ball was hit high in the air and I'd imagine that he was 100-120 feet (30-40 yards away) away from the fence when the ball went over.

Everybody now knows the ball was fair...so why would the 3B umpire emphatically rule it foul? If he didn't see it, why call anything?

He sure as heck didn't act like he was in the mood to go to the HP umpire to bail him out after making the call. He had a long, animated discussion with the East coach and only then begrudgingly went to the other umpires.

During that "conference," the 3B umpire appeared (key word) to be doing all the talking with several hand gestures in the mix as well. He very clearly did not want his call overturned. Instead of speaking up and doing the right thing, the rest of the crew stood there like mutes.

1) Don't call what you don't see...and if you don't see it, don't become emphatic that you did see it.

2) Don't be afraid to ask for help.

3) Getting the call right and shelving your ego (it's high school baseball, your ego needs to be in check) trumps all.

4) I can buy that one of the other umpires lost the ball but I can't buy that none of them saw what happened. If you're on a crew like this and somebody got the call wrong, do the right thing and speak up.


Since you were gone maybe you need to read the whole thread before you comment... lots of your "statements" have been clarified in the prior posting...
S Stiglitz10+ posts
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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

Since you were gone maybe you need to read the whole thread before you comment... lots of your "statements" have been clarified in the prior posting...


I've read the entire thread and nothing within it has changed my mind however, the truth was bent by quite a few people.

1) The blown call didn't cost East the game.

2) The LF didn't dive nor did he lay out for the ball. He crossed the foul line by 5-10 feet and jumped in the air.

3) The 3B umpire had his back to the sun or at most it was angled over his left shoulder and nowhere close to his face. The Plano East pitcher having issues with seeing the ball happened because he was looking directly into the sun. I don't remember anybody else having a problem with the sun or the high sky that day.

4) The 3B umpire, who never saw the ball, most definitely did not want another umpire to overrule him. His call was emphatic.

5) The other three umpires sat there like deaf mutes and were afraid to do the right thing OR they are profoundly incompetent because no way three other umpires could miss what happened.

6) The Bell kid who spoke up is a hero.

7) The entire crew should be fired or retired.

8) The events of that play should be used in every umpire training program on what not to do from now until there is no more baseball played.

And to further clarify...there are blown calls at every level of baseball, they're human and it comes with the territory. I also believe the 3B umpire is competent because he did well behind the plate in Game 1 v C-Heritage and Game 2 v Bell.

The blown call in Game 3 wasn't the biggest problem (although it was brutal beyond belief) with what happened last Saturday. It's everything that happened afterwards - the 3B umpire emphatically trying to sell something he didn't see, the steadfast refusal to be overruled and three other umpires who were afraid to speak up.
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C cwagMember
Stiglitz...since you so certain of what happened during the conversation between Travis Collins and the 3B umpire, maybe you should talk to him. I bet he will tell you what went on.

Hey I just reported what I waas told. Maybe my friend was told wrong about the LF diving for the ball. It was plain from what he told me that he wasn't watching the LFer.

I really like working HS ball and dread when the summer gets here. In HS ball I get to work with coaches who have respect for what we do. Summertime just leaves us mostly with a bunch of dads that think we don't know what we are doing.

Hope you enjoyed a baseball free weekend.
B Blindguy10+ posts
Adrian Johnson, Professional Baseball Umpire calls fair ball foul. Johnson's salary is about $92,000. Someone on here says 3rd base umpire makes about $70 per game. I have an idea: Third base umpire in the Plano East should not retire or be fired. This guy should be promoted to MLB. MLB would save $80,499 per year. (70*162=$11,340) MLB could then donate $80,499 to GUIDE DOGS FOR THE BLIND. I really think this idea has merit.
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