UNC vs. OSU

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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
10-14 in the Pac10 says more about this team than the championship they won.

Congrats to the Beavers!

What was Fox thinking in the 7th?

I think we should contribute a few bucks and get the Beavers some new road uniforms...Can you say UGLY.

On any given day, anything can happen. Shows us all that many fans can be college baseball coaches.

Dude
Dont choke on that bile; give credit where credit is due. Thos uniforms will be trend setters from now on.

Play Baseball:

Yes, Barney's relay was simply textbook. He positioned himself to receive the ball so that he could throw it in one motion as soon as he landed. He got rid of the ball more quickly than any relay I have seen in quite awhile, and then threw an absolute laser to Canham at home.

Before the season started, Mike Stutes told me that Barney has a 90mph arm. I don't think I believed that until today.

To say that Fox was stupid to send the runner in that situation is in my opinion just dead wrong. They were batting under .100 with runners in scoring position. He had to make something happen.

If that run scores, then there is nobody out, one run in, and a runner on third, in a three run ballgame. Huge momentum shift.

It took a perfectly executed relay from the deepest part of the left field corner to get the guy.

One last thing:

What in the world does it mean to say "Shows us all that many fans can be college baseball coaches." ???

Does anybody know what that means? Is there a typo somewhere?

I get what Beenthere means when he says "anything can happen.." - he means he thinks it's a fluke that OSU swept the Tarheels by six or more runs two straight days, beating them in every facet of the game - hitting, pitching, fielding, execution.

Since he predicted a Tarheel sweep, I guess it makes him feel better to say stuff like that.

But what in the world does line about college coaches mean?

There was a point in the game last night were I thought OSU had lost momentum, And UNC was going to make a comeback.

It just wasn't meant to be.

In the end it was the Beaver's who made everybody understand.
You can't measure the Heart of a Champion.
EH

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Originally posted by kjktj:

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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
10-14 in the Pac10 says more about this team than the championship they won.

Maybe it says more about the ACC

A few weeks ago it was about Starkville. BT very rarely has anything positive to say, IMO.
Fox was very smart in sending the runner home, there was nothing to lose. If they had scored, it would have been 7-4 and maybe fanned a spark that UNC needed to loosen up. I agree with infieldad's comments.
I LOVED the unis that OSU wore on saturday and throughout the series, kind of like throwbacks. Cool.
I am sorry that UNC was unable to bring home a trophy for the ACC, they played really a tough schedule to get to Omaha.... but give credit where credit is due. OSU put the pressure on each and every team they played to get to Omaha, they knew how to get it done, experience and defending their title.

TPM...No more of your drivel, please.

The coach was an idiot for sending the guy...the commentators agreed. In the college game when you're down 4 you don't send the guy. A run at that time means NOTHING when you need 4 in the 7th or 8th inning. You need to save your "outs".

I congratulated OSU for their win. It wasn't pretty. The uniforms are ugly.

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Here we go again re MSU and Clemson. Clemson got SMOKED by MSU in Starkville. Deal with it. All of South Carolina knows that Clemson fans are whiners.

Same thing every year.

Beenthere

I liked Coach Fox sending the runner--I would have done it in a heartbeat--they needed a spark at that point and the defense had to make a perfect play to get him which they did---at that point you just tip your hat to them.

I also liked Fox going to Carignan as early as he did---he wanted to stop the bleeding

OSU won because they outplayed UNC. They deserve the National Title "again". They got on a roll and were not going to be stopped. That does not meant that UNC did not have a great season and should also be congratulated for its season.

Coach Fox made a call to send that runner in a split second. He did not have all day to sit around and make the decision. He did not have the benefit of knowing how it was going to turn out. Personally I would have probaly held the runner and played for the big inning. But again thats just me. If the throw would have been off line and the runner had scored then everyone would be saying "nice call" sending the runner. My son said it was the right call. I say it was not the right call in that situation. Regardless he made it and he is the coach. OSU made a great play and thats the kind of plays you have to make in those big games.

I have no idea why everyone wants to make this a West Coast vs East Coast thing or a PAC-10 vs ACC thing. It was OSU vs UNC. The fact is both areas play great baseball and both conferences are outstanding. OSU got hot when it was most important to get hot. Isnt that usually the case with the team that wins it all? Vanderbilt was the probaly the best team in the nation all regular season long. But they went cold in the post season for whatever reason. The bottom line is OSU has a bunch of gritty kids that came together and found a way to get it done. Great leadership and great coaching. Congrats to OSU they deserve to be the National Champs.

I agree with Beenthere. I thought Oregon State's win wasn't "pretty".

It was BEAUTIFUL!

Beautifully executed plays. Beautifully executed games. Beautifully executed small ball.

It was baseball at it's finest.

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The bottom line is OSU has a bunch of gritty kids that came together and found a way to get it done. Great leadership and great coaching.

Coach May...

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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
North Carolina in a sweep.

They should have won it last year, too.

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"Gees, this is college baseball.

Sounds like my wife's kindergarten class that has to stand in line, single file, as they head out to the bus to take them home.

I still like the 'Heels even though they looked like Little Leaguers last night."
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"10-14 in the Pac10 says more about this team than the championship they won.

Congrats to the Beavers!

What was Fox thinking in the 7th?

I think we should contribute a few bucks and get the Beavers some new road uniforms...Can you say UGLY.

On any given day, anything can happen. Shows us all that many fans can be college baseball coaches."
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"TPM...No more of your drivel, please.

The coach was an idiot for sending the guy...the commentators agreed. In the college game when you're down 4 you don't send the guy. A run at that time means NOTHING when you need 4 in the 7th or 8th inning. You need to save your "outs".

I congratulated OSU for their win. It wasn't pretty. The uniforms are ugly.

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Here we go again re MSU and Clemson. Clemson got SMOKED by MSU in Starkville. Deal with it. All of South Carolina knows that Clemson fans are whiners.

Same thing every year."
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I think the comments from this thread demonstrate who knows college baseball, who knows sportsmanship, and some of the reasons you would not want some average fan coaching and teaching your son, especially when it comes to winning and losing.

Infielddad,

Folks that try to make the site a competition between "their" conference or their areas are truly missing the mark IMO.

The CWS was won by a great group of kids who played better ball than the other team. NC did not play well... period, but I personally think OSU would have beaten them even if they had played their best ball. I thought the decision by Fox to send the runner in the 7th was a mistake... he has to live with that decision though and he knows much more than I or any other fan sitting here in their chair. OSU just played great ball and the coach did a marvelous job!! That... from a NC fan!

Coach May outstanding post! I agree that it was UNC versus OSU, that is all we know right now and that Oregon State is the National Champions.

I don't believe other strengths or weaknesses can be extrapolated from this series. For example, some PAC 10 team that finsihed ahead of Oregon State in the standandings ought not to assume they are also better than North Carolina. One month ago, Oregon State almost eliminated itself from the tournament by playing mediocre ball down the stretch. I am sure they considered themselves better than they were playing at the time. They got hot at the right time however and to their credit.

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NC did not play well... period,

Lafmom,
I think it is very important to appreciate that OSU plays a style of baseball that constantly pressures an opponent. They pitch, they field, they execute with every player in the lineup, and they have terrific speed. Combine that with very good coaching and you have a wonderful recipe.
UNC isn't the first or only team which didn't play well vs OSU. OSU should be given credit because they tend to force that result, no matter who the opponent.

CD, I tend to disagree with the idea OSU got hot at the right time. I just don't think that fully explains the result or gives OSU enough credit. With a college post season that extends nearly 4 weeks, with 3 and 4 day breaks between the regional, super regional and CWS, I take the view the post season is just too spread out for "getting hot" to be given too much weight.
That is a long time to "get hot" and to do it two years in a row.
I think it is also important to point out the OSU staff was making changes to their lineups even into the Pac10 season. With only 2 returning starters, their team/players had a lot of growing and maturing during the season.
As an illustration, the pitcher, Jorge Reyes, chosen as the series MVP, is a freshman who did not make his first Pac 10 conference start until April 29, against Stanford. By the CWS, he is the #1 guy and came up huge in every start. That has to be a combination of great talent and wonderful coaching, and also a partial explanation for the Pac10 record.
Finally, something you would not notice unless you watch them in person is their advance scouting. When they played at Stanford, it was incredible to watch the adjustments they made in the field for every hitter. They knew tendencies and they were right most of the time.
I imagine it isn't much different with hitters/pitchers and advance scouting of the opponent.
When they played at Stanford, they were the best prepared team I saw all year. I'm betting that was true in Omaha also, we just didn't see it on TV.

Sometimes in team sports emotion and the confidence from successful experience can overcome logic. It did in Omaha. It's been awhile since a regional 3 seed won CWS.

There you go, Dad04.

Agree with you wholeheartedly.

Logic is overrated!

Here's the way I look at it.

Being a CWS participant is an experience of a lifetime. Whether you participated once, twice, three times, win or lose, it is something that one will never forget. The road to Omaha is not an easy one, and ultimately why or how you got there doesn't matter anymore, all teams essentially become even at that point in time (though I do beleive in reseeding).

BTW, Prepster if you are reading, I love R's shorter hair!

It truely was an amazing time!!
Saw both championship games and was in heaven!!!

I knew these kids were athletes, but to watch them up close, first hand, was astounding!! My 17 year old baseball son was walking on air the entire time.

An incredible experience,...and memories that wont be forgotten.
Air pushups to all in the left field general admission side fans!!! Your enthusiasm and spirit was like no other!!

Beavs and Tarheels,....you are to be commended on your outstanding preformances!! WOW!!!

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I was just rereading some comments made previously here on the HSBBW about Oregon State's, and now the Cubs', Darwin Barney.

Reading this thread I noticed The Relay was never posted.

I still get goose bumps watching that entire play. I am very pleased to see Darwin blossoming into quite a good MLB player. He has what it takes...and the MLB hasn't seen everything yet with this kid!

This one isn't too shabby either!



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