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Unsportsmanlike Conduct ??

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OK, here is the scenario. Team A up 3-2 Bot 7th, Team B is batting Bases Loaded 2 outs 1-2 count. Pitcher throws pitch in dirt, hitter check swings. Ball rolls 5 feet or so away from catcher, hitter than takes off for 1st base, catcher picks up ball, throws to 1st. Game Over right ??? Team B coach argues that umpire never said batter swung, so umps talk and say batter didnt swing, meanwhile the runner from 3rd scored when catcher threw to 1st base. Putting aside the fact that batter ran to first because he thought he swung, can the batter just run to first base in what was now a 2-2 count ?? Is that not deception and unsportsmanlike conduct? if so is the batter considered out ??

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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by ak27goal:
Putting aside the fact that batter ran to first because he thought he swung, can the batter just run to first base in what was now a 2-2 count ?? Is that not deception and unsportsmanlike conduct? if so is the batter considered out ??

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Yes he can...........Its a smart batter that runs until an umpire tells you you are out....The batter was smart to run since the determination that he swung was not his, but the umpires...with two strikes, he did the right thing....

Both teams are expected to know the situation...The catcher could have tagged the runner coming from third rather than throw to first....

This is not unsportsmanlike conduct.....
birdman14birdman141,000+ posts
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Originally posted by ak27goal:
So what you are saying is that a batter can run to first base at any time during the count ?? I understand he can run with two strikes if called out. But in this case strike three was never called. The ball rolled up the first base line, there was no way he could have tagged runner coming from third.


If there was no way for the runner from third to have been tagged, how would that have change the result even if the batter didn't run to first? It sounds like he would have scored anyway on the passed ball, still resulting in a tied game.
PatriotPatriot100+ posts
What is the proper signal from the umpire on a swinging dropped third strike? (because the batter is not yet out) We had a called third strike wild pitch last year where the batter did not run because there was no call or signal and not in our wildest dreams did we think the pitch could be considered a strike. Does a verbal call by the umpire resolve any of these situations?
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Patriot:
What is the proper signal from the umpire on a swinging dropped third strike? (because the batter is not yet out) We had a called third strike wild pitch last year where the batter did not run because there was no call or signal and not in our wildest dreams did we think the pitch could be considered a strike. Does a verbal call by the umpire resolve any of these situations?


The current mechanic being taught since Doug Eddings' screw up is: Signal the strike, then signal no catch (similar to the safe sign, but with hands crosing in front of the chest at the start of the signal, like an incomplete call in football). When signalling the strike, to remove confusion, it is recommended NOT to use the hammer, even if that is the umpires normal strike signal. The third strike should be "pointed". If the B/R is then tagged, signal the out.
wraggArmwraggArm500+ posts
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Is that not deception and unsportsmanlike conduct? if so is the batter considered out ??

I don't see how any batter could be considered guilty of unsportsmanlike behavior when 1) he had two strikes, 2) the ball hit the dirt, and 3) he offered a checked swing at it.

The implication is that he has to wait for the umpire's call in order not to be deceitful. I can't see that.

Taking off on a 2-1 dropped strike, and then acting like he was confused about the count would be more deceitful- but still subject to Ump's judgment I would think.

BTW, I'm not an umpire, so my answer really doesn't count.
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M Matt1310,000+ posts
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Originally posted by wraggArm:
Taking off on a 2-1 dropped strike, and then acting like he was confused about the count would be more deceitful- but still subject to Ump's judgment I would think.


Even if it was intentional, no rule is intended to protect against a player's stupidity. The catcher needs to know the count.

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