Hi,
Son has been told by coach that he needs to use his lower half more and that he needs to pop the hips.
Does anyone have any cues that they use to help a pitcher get this?
Thanks
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You need an instructor really, but if he strides his height, he will fix most of this.
There is a good wall drill you can do to help get him started. Stand about 2 feet from the wall and have him bring his leg up and fall into the wall with his hip hitting the wall about 6-8 inches before his shoulder.
Also another way to do this for kids starting out is when there lift goes starts to go back down to the ground have him rotate his heel of the foot slightly towards the catcher to bring his hip out.
sorry if i confused you. its easier to show someone then to explain in words.
Also another way to do this for kids starting out is when there lift goes starts to go back down to the ground have him rotate his heel of the foot slightly towards the catcher to bring his hip out.
sorry if i confused you. its easier to show someone then to explain in words.
quote:Also another way to do this for kids starting out is when there lift goes starts to go back down to the ground have him rotate his heel of the foot slightly towards the catcher to bring his hip out.
sorry missed typed it.
Also another way to do this for kids starting out is when there lift leg starts to go back down to the ground have him rotate his heel of the foot slightly towards the catcher to bring his hip out.
Thanks for the help.
Coach is saying that once he gets into foot plant that he needs to pop his back hip to generate more velocity. The cue isn't working for him, trying to come up with another way to explain it.
He does lead with his hip out of leg lift so I don't think that is the issue.
I think the issue is different, it seems to me that he gets hip rotation after foot plant. I think his shoulders rotate at the same time as his hips... there is no separation. So it LOOKS like he isn't using his hips.
Does this make any sense?
Thanks again.
Coach is saying that once he gets into foot plant that he needs to pop his back hip to generate more velocity. The cue isn't working for him, trying to come up with another way to explain it.
He does lead with his hip out of leg lift so I don't think that is the issue.
I think the issue is different, it seems to me that he gets hip rotation after foot plant. I think his shoulders rotate at the same time as his hips... there is no separation. So it LOOKS like he isn't using his hips.
Does this make any sense?
Thanks again.
Makes sense now. and is a total differnt problem :-)
Maybe some of the more experinced members like Fred Corral will be around shortly to help you out.
Maybe some of the more experinced members like Fred Corral will be around shortly to help you out.
Everything (except forearm action) after foot plant is a "result". Any fixes must occur before foot plant. This is why the cue is not working.
Agree with SultanofSwat. Trying to do anything with the hips will just make him very mechanical or robotic. Hip rotation can often be improved by moving faster down the hill along with corresponding strength for the front leg to brace after foot plant.
If the problem is really a lack of separation and hip rotation is occurring at or after foot plant, then the shoulders are rotating too soon. Look for things that lead to early shoulder rotation such at posture and balance issues and/or glove issues (pulling, dropping or flying open).
If the problem is really a lack of separation and hip rotation is occurring at or after foot plant, then the shoulders are rotating too soon. Look for things that lead to early shoulder rotation such at posture and balance issues and/or glove issues (pulling, dropping or flying open).
My son has just gone through a process of using the lower half this winter.
A lot of what the Sultan says sounds familiar.
Our facility has about a dozen pitchers power drives which they use on the flat. I believe they use these to encourage the kids to keep their weight back.
Thinks that I have heard coaches say:
Keep you weight back as long as possible
Lead with the hips
Dont drop your shoulder
He's a 15U training with about 35 16U/17U/18U pitchers. One of his biggest break-throughs with "separation", was watching the 18U guys as they do their bullpens. It helped him move from the robotic to the feeling it.
A lot of what the Sultan says sounds familiar.
Our facility has about a dozen pitchers power drives which they use on the flat. I believe they use these to encourage the kids to keep their weight back.
Thinks that I have heard coaches say:
Keep you weight back as long as possible
Lead with the hips
Dont drop your shoulder
He's a 15U training with about 35 16U/17U/18U pitchers. One of his biggest break-throughs with "separation", was watching the 18U guys as they do their bullpens. It helped him move from the robotic to the feeling it.
quote:Originally posted by Notlongtilicantcatchim:
Thinks that I have heard coaches say:
1.Keep you weight back as long as possible
2.Lead with the hips
3. Dont drop your shoulder
#1 How do you do this if you do #2? #1 is wrong.
#3 Have they ever watched a pitcher? There's your problem.
Do Coach Dave's drill.
The best web site I found on this issue is "Top Velocity.com"
Fred, what will the rest of the pitching world think when they find out you have been using video and stopwatches? Oh my. 
Fred i loved your ABCA presentation and have enjoyed your youtube videos. Keep fighting the good fight :-)
quote:Originally posted by Fred Corral:
Hope this helps
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_player
Fred
Please explain the over speed drill
The Overspeed drill is a very simple one. It applies common sense to the approach as a "fast bike stays true and a slow bike wobbles." By increasing the pace of the delivery or tempo of the delivery two things occur...more athleticism and more intent.
It is important to note that video is shot at 30 frames per second.
In the video...I used a timer on dartfish program to give you a comparison of the same kid going normal speed and going with a overspeed (faster) approach. You can see on the photos accompanying both that the faster approach got more balanced just by going faster. in the clip the pitcher gets to release at the same time he was getting to power position (position of body at stride foot plant) at the approach was faster by .15 second. Try that On a stopwatch and see how much quicker the approach actually got.
The key is keeping the delivery the same. Do what you do, only do it faster. Dont abbreviate anything. If you fast forward any record (music)it doesn't skip words...the words just sound faster....in like manner, speed up the approach.
I got this drill when I started studying power pitchers (2002-03) and found that a pitcher of mine was .30 slower than some power guys in the bigs. I figured this out by finding a common starting point. Mine was the highest point of the leg lift. From that point I counted frames to release point. Power guys get to this point in 19-21 frames or .60 to .67 seconds. My guy was at 29 frames or almost a full second. Speeding him up brought about more athleticism and intent which in turn brought about more velocity. It was really cool.
You can go too fast and you can go too slow...the key is finding the right pace for you..a balance. People generally go too slow, which this drill might help bring about awareness.
Hope this helps. Shoot me a e mail or explain how I can post an image.
It is important to note that video is shot at 30 frames per second.
In the video...I used a timer on dartfish program to give you a comparison of the same kid going normal speed and going with a overspeed (faster) approach. You can see on the photos accompanying both that the faster approach got more balanced just by going faster. in the clip the pitcher gets to release at the same time he was getting to power position (position of body at stride foot plant) at the approach was faster by .15 second. Try that On a stopwatch and see how much quicker the approach actually got.
The key is keeping the delivery the same. Do what you do, only do it faster. Dont abbreviate anything. If you fast forward any record (music)it doesn't skip words...the words just sound faster....in like manner, speed up the approach.
I got this drill when I started studying power pitchers (2002-03) and found that a pitcher of mine was .30 slower than some power guys in the bigs. I figured this out by finding a common starting point. Mine was the highest point of the leg lift. From that point I counted frames to release point. Power guys get to this point in 19-21 frames or .60 to .67 seconds. My guy was at 29 frames or almost a full second. Speeding him up brought about more athleticism and intent which in turn brought about more velocity. It was really cool.
You can go too fast and you can go too slow...the key is finding the right pace for you..a balance. People generally go too slow, which this drill might help bring about awareness.
Hope this helps. Shoot me a e mail or explain how I can post an image.
Here is a great slow motion video of Matt Cain of the San Francisco Giants using great hip rotation. Hope this helps! Good luck this year!
