Vick wants a new......Dog?

I think he should be given a second chance given that he paid a stiff price and is still doing things to make up for his crimes. I think he's grown as a person and truly wants a chance to further show that he's not that person anymore. I don't think he hated dogs, he just didn't respect them as the incredible animals they are. I think he's learned that what he did is unacceptable behavior toward any animals. I believe that some people can change and that this might be a way he can really show itwhile being observed the whole time. I say this as a dog owner and dog lover. Maybe sometimes prison does rehabilitate people instead of just serving as a school for criminal behavior.

As a human being, I would say he deserves the chance.

However, if I were the dog he was considering, I'd say no effin' way.

Listen, IMHO it is just a bad idea. Public relations wise you just have to say what is he thinking?!? I feel bad for him, because he seemed so misguided, but I just can never forgive him.

When you are sentenced to prison and do your time are you allowed to move on with your life once you pay your debt to society? Or do you have to suffer the rest of your life for a mistake? Do you get another chance to prove you have learned from your mistakes or is it a life long sentence?

People can be arrested for child abuse go to prison get out and then later in life have more children or assume custody of their children. But Vick can not have a dog?

How long does a person have to suffer for something they have done? If the person did their time and they have paid their debt when are they allowed to try to put things back together? At what point do we allow them to prove they have learned from their mistakes?

The guy is a free man. He paid the price for his mistakes. He has every right to own a dog. He has every right to move on with his life. If he screw's up again then punish him. Otherwise let him live his life.

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This guy would be perfect for Vick...





Or perhaps RoboRover...





Or he could go old school...





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Vick has paid the penalties he was ordered to pay. It's time for everyone to move on in regards to Vick's private life. The only story is how playing for Reid and Morningwig turned him into a quarterback rather than an athlete playing quarterback.

Woody ... would this be a safe choice?

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That would be perfect RJM. Leaves much to the imagination!



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Originally posted by Coach_May:
When you are sentenced to prison and do your time are you allowed to move on with your life once you pay your debt to society? Or do you have to suffer the rest of your life for a mistake? Do you get another chance to prove you have learned from your mistakes or is it a life long sentence?

People can be arrested for child abuse go to prison get out and then later in life have more children or assume custody of their children. But Vick can not have a dog?

How long does a person have to suffer for something they have done? If the person did their time and they have paid their debt when are they allowed to try to put things back together? At what point do we allow them to prove they have learned from their mistakes?

The guy is a free man. He paid the price for his mistakes. He has every right to own a dog. He has every right to move on with his life. If he screw's up again then punish him. Otherwise let him live his life.

Coach, while I agree in this case the man deserves a chance, regarding the child abuse example...in many states this is enforced case by case. I know of a child abuser who, after being released from prison, was still not allowed to come within a certain distance of his children or a school or any other "known gathering place of children."

Serving time does not guarantee that there will be no additional penalties and it does not guarantee rehabilitation. Far from it.

I say let Vick have a dog. But then again, I don't care much for dogs.

I'd say read between the lines on this one...

I don't think he's actively soliciting the courts to let him actually own a dog, just musing that it would be nice to own one again some day, in the press.

Not saying I'm against him owning one, just saying that the time to stand up and fight for Vick's rights should come right after he actually has them come into question.

My opinion - he's just trying to do the best he can at publicly being a good guy. Nothing wrong with that per se - but I've seen better efforts.

I'd be really impressed if he were to say "dog fighting is wrong, but not really so pervasive that I need to dedicate all this free time to it. Rather, I'm going to focus my redemption campaign on drug prevention, or spousal abuse, or something of a higher national priority"

I say let him get a pomeranian, or teacup poodle.

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Originally posted by Backstop-17:
I say let him get a Pomeranian, or teacup poodle.

Genius. If he can put up with one of those for more than six months without drop kicking it, then he really is a dog lover, and we can put the whole thing to rest.

Your right Jimmy I guess that was a poor example I used. In any case I have a background with these type of situations. I was in Law Enforcement for 20 plus year. I saw people, many times young people make mistakes. Use poor judgment and in some cases the conditions in which they were raised and lived led them in the wrong directions. I also have seen these same people have a very hard time over coming earlier transgressions in life. Sometimes all they needed was another chance. Sometimes all they needed was the chance to move on.

I had a wise old Major tell me one time when I was in rookie school. "The only difference in the people you will be arresting and you many times will be the fact that they make a bad decision in life and got caught and you were lucky you didn't."

We see these young guys on TV and we see the talent they have and the money, fame etc. We assume they have everything and nothing many times can be farther from the truth. They make mistakes just like everyone else. And they should be punished just like everyone else. And when you have paid that price I believe you should have the opportunity to redeem yourself. I believe you should have a chance to move on in life.

Mike Vick got a far worse punishment for what he did to dogs than some people for their treatment of humans. I am not saying he should not have been punished. And I love animals. But I do believe he should have the right to prove himself. JMO

My 2 cents...

Prior to his arrest for the dog fighting, airport mishap(?), etc. I thought of Michael Vick as nothing but a thug. I even used his brother as proof as crazy as that may sound.

But as I read that article I could actually see what he was talking about in regards to being raised in that environment thinking it was ok or normal to fight dogs. Much like some people are taught how to play horseshoes, they fought dogs. Bad analogy I know but my point is as kids they didn't see anything wrong with it.

Moving on. I have watched Vick in many interviews just to see if he was still contrite and humble. I think what he went through has actually changed him to appreciate more what he has and who he hangs around. I also am a BIG believer in 2nd chances. I know in my life I have been given many and am quite thankful for each one.

I'm not against him having a dog. Is it too soon? That is for the court of public opinion to decide.

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Let him have a FURBY!!!

Sorry Woody, an obvious groundball.... GED10DaD

Pets or no pet he's one of the few who seemed to have come out of prison a lot better than when he went in.... In other word: the system may have worked on this one.

Who here would give Vick a puppy from their litter?

Not me.

I agree Mike Vick has come out of prison much better than when he went in and that is great to see.

However I read a few times on this site that he paid his price to society when in fact he is still paying as he is on probation and one of the conditions of that probation is no dog until 2012. I think until that time he is still paying his debt to socity and should live up to that agreement like any other convicted felon.

Is it until 2012, or is it a lifetime ban on never having a dog?

There are millions of dogs killed in shelters every year due to abandonment, over breeding, back yard breeding etc.I wish Mr Vick would rescue a dog that has no other chance of survival.That would be a great thing for him to do.

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I believe Younggun it is until May 2012 when his probation is over. Seems fair to me if that is part of his debt to society.

Fan of Game, I hope that is the first thing he does when probation is up.

Saw an ESPN special on Vick's "road to recovery". He spoke to a few schools the day ESPN followed him. In all of his answers, he seemed truly remorseful for his actions. Like many, he seems to be taking advantage of his second chances. I hope that he can be a proud owner of a dog when his probation is up.

He has paid his debt to society, so I think he should be able to get a dog...I just wouldn't want to be that particular dog.

In addition to Vick selecting a dog for his family, my hope is that he helps a dog shelter (where he lives) to find homes for many hundreds/thousands of dogs.

I have a very hard time forgiving him for what he did. I can't describe the punishment he would have gotten if certain members of my family ruled on his case. He is in the process of paying his debt, but I'd like to see him turn this around and help more dogs everyday.

Vick made a statement about "being raised" in that environment or something along those lines.

To him, fighting dogs was just a normal thing. I know.

When I was little my dad use to carry me and my little brother to Rooster fights here in the south during the, um, early 70's. We even raised them. I just looked at it as a fun thing to do. I didn't know better at the time.

I can distinctly remember a man coming up to my dad one night and asking him if he would like to go to a dog fight and my dad emphatically "no". It wasn't very long after that we stopped going to these fights and the chickens were gone.

I asked my dad as an adult one day - What were you thinking? He replied "I wasn't". That was the end of that.

So I can't crucify Vick on this one bit. Now all his other shenanigans, well, that's a different story. He's paying for it all.

I think today he is remorseful and contrite.

**** fighting was something that a lot of people were into in the south back in the day. And it still goes on around here. I am sure it is still going on in your neck of the woods as well. When I was growing up dogs for many people were not pets. They were used for hunting and protection of property. I remember going to my grand dads farm and being told not to pet the dogs. They didnt want us to "spoil" them. And yes many people were in to dog fighting. It was their form of entertainment.

I love animals and I love my pets. But some people were and are raised differently. I am not trying in any way to defend what Vick did. Just giving those that dont know a little insight to go along with what you posted ygd.

Vick played like a dog tonight.

Last week Vick declared he should be MVP. When Brady was asked about being MVP he responded he's only focused on winning the division and home field advantage. The player talking individual awards had a 74.1 rating, three turnovers and his team lost to a 5-9 team in must win game (for the bye). The player talking about his team winning had a 107 rating, three touchdowns and his team reached their goals.

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/i...about-the-vick-dogs/

Great story on the Vick dogs and our President. Says alot.