video of classic hidden ball trick at fridays hs game

Very Nice! I wonder what was said to make the runner step off the bag?

Pretty slick, true. However, reasonably bush league too.

It seems to me that the 2B said something along the lines of "hey man let me clean the dirt away from the base". But the bigger issue is that they may have got a free one. If I'm not mistaken (which happens a lot) you can't pull the hidden ball trick when the pitcher is within 5 feet of the mound. So basically he was on the dirt which brings him within the 5 feet.

I'm not sure if that's a rule or the exact rule. Maybe we can move this to the ump forum and find out for certain.

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Originally posted by Eric G:
Pretty slick, true. However, reasonably bush league too.

Not bush league at all. ??? If the runner is THAT dumb to step off the bag, it's his fault.

I thought there was some type of 'unsportsmanlike' rule for hidden ball tricks.

Still, the catcher who threw the potato over the 3B's head is one of my favorites.

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"hey man let me clean the dirt away from the base"

I'm not so sure Coach. I think it was more like this...

"hey man, it looks like you're standing on your lottery ticket. Let me get it for you."

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Looks like the field ump was aware of what was going on.....he was watching the play the whole time.

Someone tried this against us this year and they were called for a balk (being on the mound). Not sure if this pitcher is on or not, but sure looks close.

Never seen an ump sweep the plate while ball was in play.

A reasonable coach could argue that time was called.

Field ump was watching the whole time

The baserunner got owned. He should've been paying attention. He's got no business straying off the base right there.

Bush league?. Nah..he bit and got nailed. Actually, it was pretty dumb to get caught like that.

On another note how many miles does the catcher walk per game? After every pitch he catches he takes about 3 or 4 steps to throw.

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Originally posted by Vicarious Dad:
Never seen an ump sweep the plate while ball was in play.

A reasonable coach could argue that time was called.

There was no play. The ball was "live." It's done all the time in multiple person mechanics. Shouldn't be done in one person mechanics.

The actual rule about 5 feet is:
positions himself within approximately five feet of the pitcher’s plate without having the ball.

A regulation mound has a dirt area 18 feet in diameter, so the pitcher was not within 5 feet. Additionally, the pitcher was tying his shoes, and that probably doesn't qualify as "positioning himself". In other rule sets, the prohibition is against being on or astride the rubber without the ball, i.e simulating being in a position to pitch.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
The actual rule about 5 feet is:
positions himself within approximately five feet of the pitcher’s plate without having the ball.

A regulation mound has a dirt area 18 feet in diameter, so the pitcher was not within 5 feet. Additionally, the pitcher was tying his shoes, and that probably doesn't qualify as "positioning himself". In other rule sets, the prohibition is against being on or astride the rubber without the ball, i.e simulating being in a position to pitch.

I have yet to see an 18' diameter mound in HS play except for those tournaments that utilize college or pro fields. Most HS mounds areound here are around 10' in diameter and the dirt circle is a good guide, absent carrying a tape measure.

According to FED interps via Elliot, positioning means to take a position. The posture is not a consideration.

How clever. what talent. the pitcher tying his shoes what innovation. Makes like there is time out. Basically a bunch of (*^^%$##.

Jimmy03,
Take a look at the video, get out a ruler and estimate the size of the dirt circle, using, say, 5'10" as the pitcher's height. My estimate is that it is at least 18 feet in diameter.

If I were the player or parent of the player tricked, I wouldn't be to pleased to see my son being embarrassed again and again with a couple of web postings........

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Originally posted by CollegeParent:
If I were the player or parent of the player tricked, I wouldn't be to pleased to see my son being embarrassed again and again with a couple of web postings........

Good Point...My son had that trick tried on him a coupled times when he played but never fell for it.

I'll bet it never happens again to this player though.

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Originally posted by CollegeParent:
If I were the player or parent of the player tricked, I wouldn't be to pleased to see my son being embarrassed again and again with a couple of web postings........

But we probably wouldn't mind if he were the guy making the tag on the field. There's always two sides to every video, unfortunately, usually for every hero there is a schmuck to set the scene.

They never said how our 15 minutes of fame would be spent.

I think my son would have known how angry I would have been with him if he had been the pitcher when something like that was going on.

While I don't think the move was in the "competitive spirit", I'll bet it got into that teams head for the rest of the game. If a team can get there, it can be very destructive. Now, if the play had failed, it may have worked as a motivating factor in the other direction.

Exactly rz1...For the guy who hits that long bomb, somebody is on the other end who serves it up to him.

Was it embarassing? You betcha. Is it embarassing to see it on the internet? You betcha. Is it the worse thing to ever happen to him? Not by a long shot. Is this something that will automatically cripple him for the rest of his life? Not by a long shot. Is this something he can learn from to make himself better? You better believe it. Will this be a great story to tell that leads to all kinds of laughs and giggles by everybody at their 20 year reunion? Probably is.

People don't like to be humiliated and embarassed - I know I don't - but it can be a huge tool in order to teach someone something if it's done correctly. I know there have been many times where I got embarassed and made fun of. I hated it and I didn't like it but I learned that if I wanted to avoid those feelings I better figure out what I need to do to not put myself in the position which caused it to happen.

One of two things can come out of this play and being on the internet....

1) this kid learns to know where the ball is at all times, know if time is out or not, to call time if he's going to leave base AND (not or) not to listen to the other team and get tagged out.

2) this kid will think he was done wrong and people should never do things like this. It will end up crippling him to the point he will probably look to blame everyone else for all his failings. He will never take responsibility for anything because someone else was to do it for him.

Ok #2 might be a little too far but something pretty close that does have some of those effects.

Happened to us this week-end..........in D1 college ball!! Guess our kids will be more heads up in the future.

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Originally posted by CollegeParent:
If I were the player or parent of the player tricked, I wouldn't be to pleased to see my son being embarrassed again and again with a couple of web postings........

In basketball with the defender on a dunk it's called getting "posterized." The defender ends up in the picture. A player should be able to laugh this one off the next day unless he has a reputation for base running blunders.

Just curious, from a batter's standpoint what's the position of the white flag behind the centerfield fence in relation to a righthanded pitcher's windup?

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Now, if the play had failed ...

Drive one out of the park and tell the pitcher it's the hidden ball trick.

Sure looked like a situation where time would have been called .... ump cleaning the plate, pitcher tying his shoe..

BTW, for awhile I thought I was watching the wrong clip...I got to watch the kid pitch for 4.5 minutes before the player got on base.

I understand the play being being used but it appears the the 2B said something to the runner to get the runner to come off the base. If he would have wandered off on his own I am ok with the play but it with the 2B saying something to get runner off the base. I saw team try run the same play and telling the runner "The ump asked me to clean off the bag". The mistake was the team that tried to pull the play was facing a pitcher 90+. Let's just say the that pitcher hid the ball in the back of the 2B when he came to the plate.

So the plate umpire turns his back to the play and no time was called. The general rule I believe the plate ump will call time when he turns to clean the plate. If there would have been a play at third on the continuing play the plate ump has the call at the third in the 2 man crew but since the play stopped he should have called time as if the runner would have went to third at anytime the call would have been his. I asked a couple umps they said an umpire needs to call timeout anytime they clean off the plate and turn thier back to the play. I am going to do a little more research.

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Originally posted by sgvbaseball:

So the plate umpire turns his back to the play and no time was called. The general rule I believe the plate ump will call time when he turns to clean the plate. If there would have been a play at third on the continuing play the plate ump has the call at the third in the 2 man crew but since the play stopped he should have called time as if the runner would have went to third at anytime the call would have been his.

The PU has the touch and tag-up at third, not a play except for first and first and third rotations.

You will find some umpires who will call time to clean the plate and you will find some who do not. This varies by training and area.

In my association we call time to clean the plate only when working without a parnter. With a partner the base ump has any activity which rarely takes place.

We call time as infrequently as possible. Calling time, more than adding time to the game, screws up the flow. A good flow in the game benefits both teams.

When time is called players relax, some wander and it takes time to get them back into the game. It's far better to keep everyone into the game and use both umpires to control whatever happens.

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That makes a whole lot of sense to me.

At least Nine Western States are being well served!




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The distance is hard for me to tell. I too would love to know what was said.

The setting is beautiful. Where is it?