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Warning at pre-game plate conference?

KaizenKaizen100+ posts
Is a reminder to remove jewelry at the pre-game plate conference considered a warning as it relates to NFHS Rule 3-3-1-d? The rulebook and casebook say the first viotion is a warning and the second violation is an ejection. A local team had a player ejected for the first violation because the umpire said the warning was already given at the pre-game plate conference. By rule, the warning is supposed to be given "at the end of playing action" but play hadn't yet started when the pre-game reminder was given.
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N NavyUmp10+ posts
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Originally posted by Kaizen:
Is a reminder to remove jewelry at the pre-game plate conference considered a warning as it relates to NFHS Rule 3-3-1-d? The rulebook and casebook say the first viotion is a warning and the second violation is an ejection. A local team had a player ejected for the first violation because the umpire said the warning was already given at the pre-game plate conference. By rule, the warning is supposed to be given "at the end of playing action" but play hadn't yet started when the pre-game reminder was given.



This is the definition of OOO.
yawetagyawetag100+ posts
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
That is a softball ruling. Certain bodies allow softball umpires to use a warning at the plate as the first warning. That is not true in baseball.


To be fair, the jewelry rule isn't new. I think a warning for the first offense is generous and no player should take a chance by wearing them.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
I find it funny that kids look surprised when told to take jewelry off. It is illegal in almost all youth sports.


We've seen something similar to this as well. We have seen several pitchers enter the game with white or grey on their gloves. We say something and the ump tells him to remove it. You would think that we told the ump to shoot his favorite dog. It's a rule and I wonder why the other coaches allow them to even take the mound with illegal gloves.
yawetagyawetag100+ posts
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Originally posted by Matt13:
It's not the enforcement we hate, it's what often follows.


And sometimes the fact alone we have to do it. It's one of those things that we don't naturally look for and we have to deal with the fact that because the offensive coach pointed it out, it gives the appearance that we either didn't notice it (poor rules knowledge) or were ignoring it (poor game management). It's a no-win situation.
N NavyUmp10+ posts
Lets see...A latex "Live Strong" band is illegal because it is considered Jewelry but the 6 inch quarterback style Velcro armband is OK??? It is lack of consistency, logic and the capricious nature of these rules that make the results of enforcement a bag of snakes.

For Summer ball in my area jewelry is OK which is fine by me. These kids have coaches and parents, for my money let them decide.
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
In certain cases I freely enforce the jewelry rule because it is a legitimate safety problem. In other cases I freely enforce the jewelry rule because I hate to see jewelry on boys in general, on the field particularly. I personally feel jewelry has no place on a sporting field in any sport at any level. I allow it in leagues that allow it but enforce it to the nth degree in leagues that don't.
M Matt1310,000+ posts
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Originally posted by NavyUmp:
Lets see...A latex "Live Strong" band is illegal because it is considered Jewelry but the 6 inch quarterback style Velcro armband is OK??? It is lack of consistency, logic and the capricious nature of these rules that make the results of enforcement a bag of snakes.


There is a huge difference between the two, so your argument is spurious.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Matt13:
quote:
Originally posted by NavyUmp:
Lets see...A latex "Live Strong" band is illegal because it is considered Jewelry but the 6 inch quarterback style Velcro armband is OK??? It is lack of consistency, logic and the capricious nature of these rules that make the results of enforcement a bag of snakes.


There is a huge difference between the two, so your argument is spurious.


Steve Spurious? Didn't he play for the 49ers?
K karjam10+ posts
You never get Warnings at the pre game conference. They should always be considered advice. A warning comes during play. If your Official is trying to use this as a Team warning you need to clarify this at the pre-game conference.

I sometimes mention to the Coaches no jewelry but it is not a warning just a friendly reminder of that rule.

Players and Coaches should know this rule after game #1. We Umps should not have to see any of it again.
KaizenKaizen100+ posts
Agree that the players should know better. But in the OP situation, the player was originally scheduled to sit out the game because he was the starting pitcher the next day. But when the game went into the 10th inning and he was called in to pinch hit, he forgot the rubber bracelet. Lesson learned, he will remember next time. But he still shouldn't have been ejected for the first violation.
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Kaizen:
Agree that the players should know better. But in the OP situation, the player was originally scheduled to sit out the game because he was the starting pitcher the next day. But when the game went into the 10th inning and he was called in to pinch hit, he forgot the rubber bracelet. Lesson learned, he will remember next time. But he still shouldn't have been ejected for the first violation.

Agreed.

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