How do you score it? I saw it in the Rays game on ESPN and was curious how it would be scored? Hit? Error? WHo would it be on? Runner scored so would it be earned?
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quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
How do you score it? I saw it in the Rays game on ESPN and was curious how it would be scored? Hit? Error? WHo would it be on? Runner scored so would it be earned?
Equipment failure and how it relates to scoring is an interesting discussion.
If a bat breaks and the ball is easily played into an out, does the batter get a no at bat credit? If a runner’s shoe comes off and trips him and he’s tagged, does the out count?
The best I can come up with without a lot of research is the following.
OBR 2.00 The PERSON of a player or an umpire is any part of his body, his clothing or his equipment.
To me that means a player’s equipment is the same as him. A glove is no different than a hand, and if a player decides to play with a broken finger on his throwing hand, I’m not gonna excuse him for a bad throw because of it. If he can’t keep his glove in good repair, that’s his problem, not mine.
I didn’t see the play, but if I’m scoring a game and I see a ball go through a fielder’s glove, chances are I’m not going to be able to tell if one of the laces was shot and that’s why the ball went through. Chances are he’s getting an E from me.
Which game was it, and how ‘bout a few more details so maybe I can look it up and see a vid and check the box score.
It was the Rays game last night. 8/20. Throw to first on a double play and the ball went through the webbing in the first basemans mitt resulting in the runner being safe at first and a run scoring. I also think there were no outs. So that brings up the rbi question because the runner scored on the play. But you can't assume the double play, can you? Very curious on how something like that would be scored.
I would score an error on the first baseman IF there was an advancement of a runner other than the batter reaching first on a failed DP.
So the key question for me is, where did the runner who scored start? If he was at third, no outs then he would've scored no matter what happened at first. If he was at second when the play started, he wouldn't have scored on the play and advanced from third to home because of a missplay by the first baseman (assuming the throw was not wild, which seems reasonable if it broke the webbing of the glove) so I'd score his advancement as E-3.
In the first case (runner starts at third) I give an RBI to the batter, since there was no double play which would've taken the RBI away and no error, because it was on a DP. In the second case, no RBI.
I saw the same thing about a month ago in a Red Sox game. Simple situation, nobody on, nice throw, broke the webbing of the glove, first baseman got an E-3.
The ordinary effort play was not made...
So the key question for me is, where did the runner who scored start? If he was at third, no outs then he would've scored no matter what happened at first. If he was at second when the play started, he wouldn't have scored on the play and advanced from third to home because of a missplay by the first baseman (assuming the throw was not wild, which seems reasonable if it broke the webbing of the glove) so I'd score his advancement as E-3.
In the first case (runner starts at third) I give an RBI to the batter, since there was no double play which would've taken the RBI away and no error, because it was on a DP. In the second case, no RBI.
I saw the same thing about a month ago in a Red Sox game. Simple situation, nobody on, nice throw, broke the webbing of the glove, first baseman got an E-3.
The ordinary effort play was not made...
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
It was the Rays game last night. 8/20. Throw to first on a double play and the ball went through the webbing in the first basemans mitt resulting in the runner being safe at first and a run scoring. I also think there were no outs. So that brings up the rbi question because the runner scored on the play. But you can't assume the double play, can you? Very curious on how something like that would be scored.
Sorry DM, I couldn’t find anything remotely resembling that play. Take a look and see if you can find it. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday..._tbamlb_1&mode=plays
The gave Keppinger an E for a missed catch and the only run was earned.
E: Johnson, E (11, throw), Keppinger (3, missed catch).
Tough break.
E: Johnson, E (11, throw), Keppinger (3, missed catch).
Tough break.
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
The gave Keppinger an E for a missed catch and the only run was earned.
E: Johnson, E (11, throw), Keppinger (3, missed catch).
Tough break.
I found it. The reason I couldn’t find It before was because I was looking in innings where a run scored. The play you’re talking about happened in the top of the 6th. Since no runs scored, ERs weren’t an issue.
For anyone who hasn’t seen what MLB says about the play, here it is:
Billy Butler grounds into a force out, shortstop Elliot Johnson to second baseman Ryan Roberts. Alcides Escobar to 3rd. Alex Gordon out at 2nd. Billy Butler advances to 1st, on a missed catch error by first baseman Jeff Keppinger, assist to second baseman Ryan Roberts.
I don’t know for sure, but I’m assuming Roberts the F4, got an assist on the play.