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Weight Transfer

S smokky1100+ posts
i FINALLY went to a pitching instuctor and he is GREAT! My control has gotten 10xbetter but i now have a problem with my weight transfer, or should i say lack of one. I know that is where the velocity is created. But it is hard as hell, and i just seem to be throwing all arm. WHERE exactly does the transfer take place? WHEN? is there some type of actions that triggers it?

The guy vaguely mentioned it, and he says that it is one of the most part in creating velocity.
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CC Coach Chris100+ posts
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Another way to help is to break your hands as late as possible. Right Chris?


I don't think so.

The reason I say this is that when you break your hands doesn't have anything to do with when your shoulders start to turn. Well, actually I guess it does. If you break your hands too late, and your arm isn't in the proper position at the moment that your shoulders start to turn, then you are at least vulnerable to rushing and may possibly increase your risk of injury.
S smokky1100+ posts
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Originally posted by Coach Chris:
"weight transfer....I know that is where the velocity is created"

While some velocity likely can be created by the weight transfer, much more velocity is created by the rotation of the hips, torso, and shoulders.


Of course. But doesnt the transfer trigger it? look at those harden pic i posted
CC Coach Chris100+ posts
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Of course. But doesnt the transfer trigger it?


In my opinion, it isn't the weight transfer that triggers the velocity, it's the fact that the hips are opening up and rotating. This stretches (or loads) the muscles of the torso which then lets them powerfully pull the shoulders around.

The key isn't moving your mass forward quickly, it's quickly opening up your hips at the right moment.
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S smokky1100+ posts
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Originally posted by Coach Chris:
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Of course. But doesnt the transfer trigger it?


In my opinion, it isn't the weight transfer that triggers the velocity, it's the fact that the hips are opening up and rotating. This stretches (or loads) the muscles of the torso which then lets them powerfully pull the shoulders around.

The key isn't moving your mass forward quickly, it's quickly opening up your hips at the right moment.


Yeah, but look at hardens back leg.It is almost straight. Obviously there is a transfer. The transfer cause a scap load and the back to arc.

scap load: http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/john_donovan/07/15/m....notes/t1_harden.jpg

arced back: http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/19/193040.gif

http://ciepley.com/belth/belth051105_13.jpg
CC Coach Chris100+ posts
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Of course. But doesnt the transfer trigger it? look at those harden pic i posted


The key thing to notice in the first Harden picture is that his hips are open (belt buckle is facing home plate) while his shoulders are still closed (in line with a line running from home plate to 2B). This means that his hips are rotated maybe 80 degrees more than his shoulders. This is very good because it is stretching the muscles in his butt and torso and will allow them to powerfully pull the shoulders around (which is just about to happen since his forearm is vertical).

The second harden picture was actually taken a moment earlier than the first. His hips are more closed in this picture and his forearm hasn't yet reached the vertical.

As an aside, I believe that the fact that Harden doesn't start rotating his shoulders until his forearm is vertical will protect his labrum.
S smokky1100+ posts
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Originally posted by Coach Chris:
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Of course. But doesnt the transfer trigger it? look at those harden pic i posted


The key thing to notice in the first Harden picture is that his hips are open (belt buckle is facing home plate) while his shoulders are still closed (in line with a line running from home plate to 2B). This means that his hips are rotated maybe 80 degrees more than his shoulders. This is very good because it is stretching the muscles in his butt and torso and will allow them to powerfully pull the shoulders around (which is just about to happen since his forearm is vertical).

The second harden picture was actually taken a moment earlier than the first. His hips are more closed in this picture and his forearm hasn't yet reached the vertical.

As an aside, I believe that the fact that Harden doesn't start rotating his shoulders until his forearm is vertical will protect his labrum.


Hips open..shoulders closed? sound interesting
CC Coach Chris100+ posts
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Yeah, but look at hardens back leg.It is almost straight. Obviously there is a transfer. The transfer cause a scap load and the back to arc.


But all the scap load will do is move his elbow forward a foot or so (maybe 45 to 60 degrees of horizontal adduction). The far more important source of force is the rotation of his hips, torso, and shoulders (by very large muscles) 100 or more degrees.

Scap loading will give you something (maybe 5 or 10% more MPH) but getting the hip, torso, and shoulder rotation will give you much more (maybe 20% more MPH) due to the size of the muscles involved.
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