I'll go for 6 and raise you a beamer!
bbrulz
i don't know where your from in nh, but don't sell our baseball short. we have some good hs baseball players here, and you might very well be one.
IF you want to play there is a place for you. i know a few d3 coaches that are always looking. there are some juco's over the border that play some good baseball as well. unh has club baseball if your education is more important, but still want to play. snhu often overlooked. just a few off the top of my head.
many places around to play. where did you play legion? what hs?
i will add that 5,10 isn't an issue,i know a few your size that have been drafted. and they come from nh.
i don't know where your from in nh, but don't sell our baseball short. we have some good hs baseball players here, and you might very well be one.
IF you want to play there is a place for you. i know a few d3 coaches that are always looking. there are some juco's over the border that play some good baseball as well. unh has club baseball if your education is more important, but still want to play. snhu often overlooked. just a few off the top of my head.
many places around to play. where did you play legion? what hs?
i will add that 5,10 isn't an issue,i know a few your size that have been drafted. and they come from nh.
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
even a non-athlete hs sr should be very well informed re colleges at this point - AND should have narrowed down a pile of college options as well (just a few months before hs graduation)
This is a true statement.
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fanofgame,
Have no clue what you are talking about.
Have no clue what you are talking about.
I have no problem understanding what fanofgame is talking about. He's talking about wanting posters to not be so mean-spirited in their dealings with a high school senior who is obviously behind in more ways than one, but wants to play on the next level.
I just said goodbye to a houseguest who got a real kick out of putting other people down. Some of her opinions may have been correct, but it was the way she said things that was the problem. Maybe there are some snow-bound posters who are ready to climb the walls. Maybe there are some who have personal problems we're not aware of. I don't know what is causing so many people to be so crotchety, but all the rudeness, heavy-handed remarks, and condescension is getting very tiresome.
I just said goodbye to a houseguest who got a real kick out of putting other people down. Some of her opinions may have been correct, but it was the way she said things that was the problem. Maybe there are some snow-bound posters who are ready to climb the walls. Maybe there are some who have personal problems we're not aware of. I don't know what is causing so many people to be so crotchety, but all the rudeness, heavy-handed remarks, and condescension is getting very tiresome.
Fanofgame there is alot more to it than what you are actually seeing in this one thread. We have spent countless hours talking to people that come on this site asking for advice. They get all types of advice. From the tough love advice to the soft I understand advice. Some of the advice is good and sometimes it might not be so good. But the fact is if you come on here and ask for advice you can not choose what you are going to get in the form of that advice. If you like it and it makes sense to you go for it. If you think it can help you fine. If you dont like the advice then dont use it. Heck sometimes you might not like what you hear but it may still be the truth.
The point made was what are you doing asking for this kind of advice in your senior year? What have you been doing the last three years? As far as the weight comment it was an attempt to say "Hey what have you been waiting for?" Sometimes I wonder what some people are thinking. You are a senior you are four months from graduating from HS. Now you are wondering what you should be doing? Did you get in the weight room as a freshman? Have you been to any showcase events in your area? How many? Have you been evaluated by anyone that has a baseball rep that can vouch for you one way or the other?
Sometimes people need to be hit in the face with a 2 X 4 to wake their butt up to reality. Some posters specialize in making sure that happens. Some take other approaches. That is what makes this site so special. You are not going to hear what you want to hear. You are going to hear from people that have been there and done that. You are going to get the cold hard facts. Sometimes you will like what you hear. And sometimes you will not. But one things for sure , it will not be sugar coated bs.
I saw Bee's posts as an attempt to hit the kid in the forehead with the 2 X 4 of reality. Quit looking for reasons on why you can not do it and start looking for ways to do it. Otherwise you are done.
The point made was what are you doing asking for this kind of advice in your senior year? What have you been doing the last three years? As far as the weight comment it was an attempt to say "Hey what have you been waiting for?" Sometimes I wonder what some people are thinking. You are a senior you are four months from graduating from HS. Now you are wondering what you should be doing? Did you get in the weight room as a freshman? Have you been to any showcase events in your area? How many? Have you been evaluated by anyone that has a baseball rep that can vouch for you one way or the other?
Sometimes people need to be hit in the face with a 2 X 4 to wake their butt up to reality. Some posters specialize in making sure that happens. Some take other approaches. That is what makes this site so special. You are not going to hear what you want to hear. You are going to hear from people that have been there and done that. You are going to get the cold hard facts. Sometimes you will like what you hear. And sometimes you will not. But one things for sure , it will not be sugar coated bs.
I saw Bee's posts as an attempt to hit the kid in the forehead with the 2 X 4 of reality. Quit looking for reasons on why you can not do it and start looking for ways to do it. Otherwise you are done.
I know alot of kids playing at the D-1 level that dont have those kind of attributes as players. It sounds like to me your son is a very very good player. Any level you achieve past hs is a tremendous accomplishment. Sometimes it comes to being in the right spot at the right time.
You all are making me look like a fool, which is completely fine based on the information that I gave you. But I did leave out a big part after all of this. It's not that I procrastinated and didn't have the drive to began all of this a few years ago.It wasn't until my Junior year that I found a true love for the game.
I have been a multi sport athlete my entire life and baseball was just another sport that I played. The thing is I have always been good at baseball even without going all out with practicing. Trust me, had I had the drive that I do know I would have started this process way back as soon as I could. I would have been joining AAU teams,etc., etc. Unfortunately I can't go back now and all I can do is focus on today and the future.
I have been a multi sport athlete my entire life and baseball was just another sport that I played. The thing is I have always been good at baseball even without going all out with practicing. Trust me, had I had the drive that I do know I would have started this process way back as soon as I could. I would have been joining AAU teams,etc., etc. Unfortunately I can't go back now and all I can do is focus on today and the future.
I commend your son for all his hard work and determination. It appears that he has done his homework and, while he is not where he would like to be, he has a game plan to achieve his goals. Additionally, he has a strong supportive parent who is helping guide him.
I did not get any sense that this is the case for our original poster. He has come on here in his senior year asking for advice....which has been getting (97 responses!) Bee is correct - he is 2 years late in the recruiting process. That being said, there are still things that the original poster can do. But, the reality is that time is slipping away quickly.
He has been given some very specific suggetions on things to do. My hope is that he will listen and quickly develop his game plan and get working on it. Only BBR will know if he actually will do it. It is his turn now.
I did not get any sense that this is the case for our original poster. He has come on here in his senior year asking for advice....which has been getting (97 responses!) Bee is correct - he is 2 years late in the recruiting process. That being said, there are still things that the original poster can do. But, the reality is that time is slipping away quickly.
He has been given some very specific suggetions on things to do. My hope is that he will listen and quickly develop his game plan and get working on it. Only BBR will know if he actually will do it. It is his turn now.
BBR -
It is terrific that you have found the passion for this game that is shared by so many posters. Now, use that passion to fuel your game plan using the advice you have rec'd here.
Time to stop typing on this thread and go to work. Good luck to you and let us know how things work out.
It is terrific that you have found the passion for this game that is shared by so many posters. Now, use that passion to fuel your game plan using the advice you have rec'd here.
Time to stop typing on this thread and go to work. Good luck to you and let us know how things work out.
quote:Originally posted by BaseballRulz1789:
You all are making me look like a fool, which is completely fine based on the information that I gave you.
BBR,
Whatever, you seem to have an excuse whenever you post. Actually I think that we are beginning to look like the fools, not you.
Because you have a love and desire to play the game, doesn't get you a scholarship.
My suggestion, focus on the future and not this message board.
Best of luck.
Having read the post in response to this young man makes me wonder whether he should have offered his questions up for the ridicule, insults and downright nastiness of some of the responses.
Since noone here really knows his circumstances, of either his personal history, or of his athletic abilities without seeing him in action, evaluating him specific to the five tools, it would seem to me that a more probing approach of those five tool areas would have been more useful. Other than that the advice is esoteric and its value could result in just confusing someone who sounds like he really needs some mentoring through the process..
JMO
Since noone here really knows his circumstances, of either his personal history, or of his athletic abilities without seeing him in action, evaluating him specific to the five tools, it would seem to me that a more probing approach of those five tool areas would have been more useful. Other than that the advice is esoteric and its value could result in just confusing someone who sounds like he really needs some mentoring through the process..
JMO
One hundred posts later he's still ignored questions on foot speed and throwing velocity. Not even a response in relation to other good players around him if he doesn't have clocked times.quote:it would seem to me that a more probing approach of those five tool areas would have been more useful
I apologize if my earlier post in this thread seemed too critical of a long-time member of this site. I didn't mean it to offend anyone, but rather to defend the original poster.
I appreciate the variety of advice and opinions in this thread, and I agree that "tough love" and a good kick in the butt are sometimes needed. My husband and I have two sons in college, and he was responsible for administering the occasional verbal boot when they were teens, while I was responsible for being a little too understanding.
But I still don't think we should gang up on a young poster... a player... a non-parent... non-adult...a 17- or 18-yr-old...
...and ridicule him or insult him for not having understood earlier what he needed to do to play college baseball. Most of the posts in this thread were thoughtful and helpful, and even the tough posts seem mostly appropriate even in my Mom-ish opinion, and I'm not arguing with those. Most of us have been here for quite a while and understand a lot about the steps in the process. But this new member is a HS aged kid who seems to have just found our site and might not know the answers yet. And that is who the site is for. I am truly thankful for the members who share their knowledge after having successfully made the trip, but we can't forget that the site is also, or especially, for those who haven't even started the journey yet.
Julie
I appreciate the variety of advice and opinions in this thread, and I agree that "tough love" and a good kick in the butt are sometimes needed. My husband and I have two sons in college, and he was responsible for administering the occasional verbal boot when they were teens, while I was responsible for being a little too understanding.
But I still don't think we should gang up on a young poster... a player... a non-parent... non-adult...a 17- or 18-yr-old...
...and ridicule him or insult him for not having understood earlier what he needed to do to play college baseball. Most of the posts in this thread were thoughtful and helpful, and even the tough posts seem mostly appropriate even in my Mom-ish opinion, and I'm not arguing with those. Most of us have been here for quite a while and understand a lot about the steps in the process. But this new member is a HS aged kid who seems to have just found our site and might not know the answers yet. And that is who the site is for. I am truly thankful for the members who share their knowledge after having successfully made the trip, but we can't forget that the site is also, or especially, for those who haven't even started the journey yet.
Julie
quote:by fan: please let me know the how someone puts on 35 pounds in two years? am i missing something? ... If it is a joke then I'm not laughing. if it is true statement then its nonsense
the example has your own player on track to weigh in at 180# adding 25# in 2 yrs on "shakes"I don't really understand your surprise, but you are correct that it's tough for some younger guys to gain weight - and yes, metabolism does vary, however from your example adding enough calories to support gaining 1/4 pound per week is not at all extreme and on the low side of the results many athletes that age expect and get ...
the key is not calories consumed, it's the calories/nutrition added to support muscle growth and working those muscles properly
btw, in a controlled/supervised program such as happens at college it's not unusual for a guy to put on his "freshman 15" by Christmas
I couldn't follow the DIII observations so I can't comment there
Jimmy Rollins is barely 5'10 and won the MVP award last year.
Dustin Pedroia about the same size or even smaller. Won Rookie of the year award this year.
Eckstein World Series MVP two years ago.
Houston Street and Tim Lincecum are small as well.
These guys found a way to get it done and they did not sell themselves short, no pun intended.
Good luck!
Dustin Pedroia about the same size or even smaller. Won Rookie of the year award this year.
Eckstein World Series MVP two years ago.
Houston Street and Tim Lincecum are small as well.
These guys found a way to get it done and they did not sell themselves short, no pun intended.
Good luck!
Guess I must have missed something here, so went back and read all the posts. Especially those by the original poster.
Here it is
Soon after he stated this
Then this
Everyone keeps asking him for more information. It seems he may never have thrown to a radar gun or even been timed in the 60. He answered the arm strength and speed questions very early in this thread. Maybe not with actual numbers, but with his own non inflated opinion. I think he understands he is behind in the process. Guess I don't see where he has avoided any questuions that he can actually answer at this time.
That said, he did get a little defensive a couple times. Sounds like a smart kid who loves baseball. I hope he sticks around and asks more questions. Not just for his sake but others in his situation.
Also, no matter whether someone says something good, flattering or blunt. Hearing all opinions can be very helpful. Whose to say if the nice or not so nice stuff will be most helpful to "BBRulz". I'd like to think it was all said to somehow help this player rather than demean him. I think it was and hopefully he received a lot of information that might help him.
BBRulz, Hope you get what you want. I'm pretty certain you will find most everyone here pulling for you. Like Coach May said so eloquently... sometimes it takes a 2X4 to the forehead to get the job done.
You should be glad that you got so many opinions and that someone is willing to get tough with you, too. Take both what you want to hear and what you don’t like hearing to heart. Both can be important!
Good luck
Here it is
quote:Since most of you seem to be very knowledgable about the game, I figured I'd ask you.I've been playing baseball my entire lifeand I have dreams to continue to play as long as I can.
I'm entering my senior year.After high school I have aspirations to play college baseball and even pro baseball.However I havent got a look from any scouts not even division 3 schools. I've been starting on varsity since my sophomore year and play outfield. I batted around .330 last year and for the legion team i hit.400. I have dedicated myself to the game of baseball and feel like my game will improve greatly next season.
The problem that I have is that I'm a very small player. I'm only 5'11 and weigh around 150. I also don't have much muscle to me, but I have been lifting.
My main question I guess is what is the likelihood of me playing college baseball(any division) and from there do I have any shot at being drafted, if I continue to hone my skills. Should I continue to chase this dream or should I face reality? I fear that no matter how much I practice and train it will never be good enough for college or even the bigs, can. What should I do?
Soon after he stated this
quote:my arm strength needs some improving but I have thrown runners out from the outfield sometimes on a line and sometime with one or two bounces. My foot speed is good I just need to get better jumps off pitchers
Then this
quote:TRhit I got an invite to the Joe Wladyka preseason showcase in February down in New York, which I'm planning to attend. I play legion ball and I'm slated to be starter next summer for that team. As far as college coaches, I've only contacted a few via email and I'm waiting to gather all my information until I respond back to them and set up a meeting.
Everyone keeps asking him for more information. It seems he may never have thrown to a radar gun or even been timed in the 60. He answered the arm strength and speed questions very early in this thread. Maybe not with actual numbers, but with his own non inflated opinion. I think he understands he is behind in the process. Guess I don't see where he has avoided any questuions that he can actually answer at this time.
That said, he did get a little defensive a couple times. Sounds like a smart kid who loves baseball. I hope he sticks around and asks more questions. Not just for his sake but others in his situation.
Also, no matter whether someone says something good, flattering or blunt. Hearing all opinions can be very helpful. Whose to say if the nice or not so nice stuff will be most helpful to "BBRulz". I'd like to think it was all said to somehow help this player rather than demean him. I think it was and hopefully he received a lot of information that might help him.
BBRulz, Hope you get what you want. I'm pretty certain you will find most everyone here pulling for you. Like Coach May said so eloquently
... sometimes it takes a 2X4 to the forehead to get the job done. You should be glad that you got so many opinions and that someone is willing to get tough with you, too. Take both what you want to hear and what you don’t like hearing to heart. Both can be important!
Good luck
On this point I agree with Bee>. It is not only a matter of taking in calories, but also the proper nutritional balance, and matching up with the proper workout routine.quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
the key is not calories consumed, it's the calories/nutrition added to support muscle growth and working those muscles properly
btw, in a controlled/supervised program such as happens at college it's not unusual for a guy to put on his "freshman 15" by Christmas
Son went from 5'11" 170# as a high school sophomore to 6' 200# as a junior and currently 6' 215# as a senior, with a ripped physique, and increased speed and strength. Yes, some natural physical maturing, but mostly through a VERY disciplined diet and training program over a two year period. The key is, he is extremely SELF-MOTIVATED. You can't force this upon someone. He has to want it for himself.
Yes, there are some great inspirational stories about the little guy who made it big, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Generally speaking, size DOES matter when it comes to top level draft prospects and D1 recruits. We have heard over and over again from scouts that they love son's physical size and presence, as well as speed for his size. It's what sets him apart from other athletes with similar baseball skills.
I'm not trying to brag here, just relaying what we have learned and heard through the process. That is not to say that a 5'11" 150# kid can't be a top level recruit, prospect or successful major leaguer, but he better bring something special to the plate, so to speak, such as amazing arm strength, freak speed, and/or a big bat.
This is only my opinion, and I am referring only to top level recruits and prospects. In any case, there is a roster spot for nearly everyone who wants it badly enough. Just find out where you realistically fit in, and get it done.
Kids develop differently. My oldest was full grown as a soph. Full beard , thick and very physically developed at a young age. My youngest who is alot taller and bigger still has that baby face. When he was a freshman he started working really hard in the weight room and core agility as well. He was a 5'11 200 baby faced pudgy kid. He has continued to work so hard in the weight room and on his diet as well as continued the core and agility work. Just over the last few months he has had quite a change in his physique. He is now 6'2 and 223 and really looks alot slimmer. His speed has drastically improved and his over all quickness and agility has as well. Its almost like the last 6 months he has totally grown into a mans body.
My point is its not a sprint its a marathon. You have to stick with it and stay the course. A proper diet with proper rest and hard work will pay off. But it takes a highly motivated self driven person to do these kind of things. You have a short window of opportunity in this game. Most guys are out of the game before they physically develop. Usually because they did not understand that time waits for no one.
My point is its not a sprint its a marathon. You have to stick with it and stay the course. A proper diet with proper rest and hard work will pay off. But it takes a highly motivated self driven person to do these kind of things. You have a short window of opportunity in this game. Most guys are out of the game before they physically develop. Usually because they did not understand that time waits for no one.
There are a load of things to take into consideration with a HS player---I learned this from my sons AD while sitting watching a JV basketball game-- he pointed out on of the players--fully blossoming with body hair--- and my son who was stark naked at that point when it came to body hair---he told me your son won't physically mature until he is 19/20 years of age---the other kid is done--- and he knew what he was talking about---my guy went to college at 5-9/150 came out at 5-11/195 and the other kid never played college sports despite being a superb three sport athlete in HS
PARENTS===sit back and let it come to the player
PARENTS===sit back and let it come to the player
quote:I'm not trying to brag here, just relaying what we have learned and heard through the process. That is not to say that a 5'11" 150# kid can't be a top level recruit, prospect or successful major leaguer, but he better bring something special to the plate, so to speak, such as amazing arm strength, freak speed, and/or a big bat.
Steve,
Agree with what you say, with one exception to the above quote. For the most part, players of any size to become a high level recruit, prospect and especially a successful Major Leaguer, all have to bring something special. Size by itself means very little without having something to go with it. We see lots of big kids with great bodies who lack the necessaqry talent. They might score higher regarding projection, but projection is the hardest thing to grade accurately.
Look at the Minnesota Twins 40 man roster as of right now.
40-Man Roster
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
30 Scott Baker R/R 6-4 210 09/19/81
-- Brian Bass R/R 6-0 215 01/06/82
53 Nick Blackburn R/R 6-4 205 02/24/82
26 Boof Bonser R/R 6-4 260 10/14/81
56 Carmen Cali L/L 5-10 185 11/04/78
28 Jesse Crain R/R 6-1 205 07/05/81
51 Julio DePaula R/R 6-0 180 12/31/82
54 Matt Guerrier R/R 6-3 195 08/02/78
-- Bobby Korecky R/R 5-11 190 09/16/79
47 Francisco Liriano L/L 6-2 200 10/26/83
74 Jose Mijares L/L 6-0 230 10/29/84
36 Joe Nathan R/R 6-4 220 11/22/74
17 Pat Neshek S/R 6-3 205 09/04/80
60 Glen Perkins L/L 5-11 200 03/02/83
37 Dennys Reyes R/L 6-3 245 04/19/77
39 Juan Rincon R/R 5-11 210 01/23/79
57 Johan Santana L/L 6-0 210 03/13/79
59 Kevin Slowey R/R 6-3 195 05/04/84
73 Oswaldo Sosa R/R 6-4 225 09/19/85
Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
7 Joe Mauer L/R 6-5 215 04/19/83
58 Jose Morales S/R 5-11 190 02/20/83
55 Mike Redmond R/R 5-11 200 05/05/71
Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
32 Brian Buscher L/R 6-0 200 04/18/81
25 Alexi Casilla S/R 5-9 180 07/20/84
-- Adam Everett R/R 6-0 170 02/05/77
-- Brendan Harris R/R 6-1 200 08/26/80
-- Mike Lamb L/R 6-1 200 08/09/75
-- Matt Macri R/R 6-2 200 05/29/82
33 Justin Morneau L/R 6-4 225 05/15/81
8 Nick Punto S/R 5-9 185 11/08/77
-- Matt Tolbert S/R 6-0 175 05/04/82
Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
5 Michael Cuddyer R/R 6-2 220 03/27/79
50 Garrett Jones L/L 6-4 225 06/21/81
16 Jason Kubel L/R 6-0 210 05/25/82
31 Darnell McDonald R/R 5-11 210 11/17/78
-- Craig Monroe R/R 6-1 205 02/27/77
-- Jason Pridie L/R 6-1 190 10/09/83
2 Denard Span L/L 6-0 195 02/27/84
-- Delmon Young R/R 6-3 215 09/14/85
19 pitchers
8 6'0 or less
4 5'10/5'11
10 6'2 or more
3 catchers
1 6'4
2 5'11
9 infielders
5 6'0 or less
2 5'9
2 6'2 or more
2 6'1
8 outfielders
3 6'0 or less
3 6'2 or more
2 6'1
There is still a lot of room for those 6'0 and under at the top. Size is nice, but talent is what counts. It concerns me that so many think size is more important than it really is. It's only an advantage when accompanied by special talent.
Everyone (myself included) uses the old "everything being equal" explanation. Problem with that is that "everything is very seldom equal"!
maybe a second opinion (nutritionist) is in orderquote:by fan: My son has tried everything to gain weight and has been to a nutritionist. he eats 4-5ooo calories a day and gained 6 pounds since june
If I am a scout do I want player to be ripped and look fully mature at 18?
I remember reading once about a scout that had two players side by side, of equal ability, the player who looked like he had more room to grow (not necessarily up but out), with a baby face was his choice.
So from a scouting standpoint, what is best given the players have the same ability.
Bee>, that looks great,I'm in, but mine doesn't eat that anymore.
It's chicken, chicken, chicken, steak, chicken, chicken, vegetables, rice, protein and more protein.
I remember reading once about a scout that had two players side by side, of equal ability, the player who looked like he had more room to grow (not necessarily up but out), with a baby face was his choice.
So from a scouting standpoint, what is best given the players have the same ability.
Bee>, that looks great,I'm in, but mine doesn't eat that anymore.
It's chicken, chicken, chicken, steak, chicken, chicken, vegetables, rice, protein and more protein.quote:There are a load of things to take into consideration with a HS player---I learned this from my sons AD while sitting watching a JV basketball game-- he pointed out on of the players--fully blossoming with body hair--- and my son who was stark naked at that point when it came to body hair---he told me your son won't physically mature until he is 19/20 years of age---the other kid is done--- and he knew what he was talking about---my guy went to college at 5-9/150 came out at 5-11/195 and the other kid never played college sports despite being a superb three sport athlete in HS
PARENTS===sit back and let it come to the player
I agree. I teasingly call my son "Amish man" because his facial hair skims only his jaw line and hasn't filled in above that. His future college head coach has predicted that he probably won't bulk up until sophomore year in college. My husband was 5'10", 145 lbs., when he graduated from high school and now measures 6'0" and weighs a muscular 180 pounds. It simply takes some players longer than others to develop.
i can see putting on 25 pounds in two years, i can do that over a good weekend. that lasagna is only an horsdeurve at my house. the thing i'm looking for is how to get rid of the 25 pounds? i will have to call johny craig, jenny's chubby brother.
BaseballRulz1789,
Wow! Your question has generated alot of replies.
Thats part of why the HSBBW is as great as it is. Alot of people from various walks of life, with players interest at heart!
I am an believer in making dreams happen and going against the odds.
If you concede to those that tell you," you have no chance ", then chances are you won't.
If there is a will, there can be a way, but with that comes extreme hard work and only Y-O-U know if you have what it takes inside of you.
Almost impossible to give you an honest assessment without having seen your ability,..and even then,...it would be just a guess, or a matter of opinion coming from lil' ol' moi' ( I'm just a shortstopmom and not a recruiting coach ).
But,...here's what I have to offer you. If you want it, you have to make it happen. You have to committt 100% to going after your dream.
Don't wait for strangers to give you their opinion if they think you have a chance or not.
Dont be hung up about size,....make it a non-issue, and play well.
( Last time I checked, no one was interested in a batter's height or size of his bicep, the last time he hit a triple! )
IMHO, results are what coaches look for.
Knock on coaches doors.
Make calls to baseball offices.
Ask for a tryout or evaluation.
Dont take no for an answer. Beg, plead, bake cookies ( ha!)....
Email the coaches and tell them of your desires and interest to play at the next level.
Hit every division you can think of.
Email them a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time. If possible, go to their camp or a showcase.
Send them your Spring schedule and ask them to come take a look at you.
Keep moving until you can get someone to take interest.
Gotta change your way of thinking.
From now on,... "FEAR" is a four letter word.
If I were you, I'd make a point to take it out of my vocabulary.
Think positive.
Say to yourself, " I will make it !!!! ".
Remember, baseball is is a mental game as well as a physical game.
Work harder than any other on your team, both on and off the field.
Go for it kid. Dont worry about chances or odds. Worry about making your dream happen!
I wish you the very very best!! PM me any time, and I would be glad to help you in your persuit of knocking on recruiting college doors!
Get movin' kiddo,....you got work ta' do!!
Wow! Your question has generated alot of replies.
Thats part of why the HSBBW is as great as it is. Alot of people from various walks of life, with players interest at heart!
I am an believer in making dreams happen and going against the odds.
If you concede to those that tell you," you have no chance ", then chances are you won't.
If there is a will, there can be a way, but with that comes extreme hard work and only Y-O-U know if you have what it takes inside of you.
Almost impossible to give you an honest assessment without having seen your ability,..and even then,...it would be just a guess, or a matter of opinion coming from lil' ol' moi' ( I'm just a shortstopmom and not a recruiting coach ).
But,...here's what I have to offer you. If you want it, you have to make it happen. You have to committt 100% to going after your dream.
Don't wait for strangers to give you their opinion if they think you have a chance or not.
Dont be hung up about size,....make it a non-issue, and play well.
( Last time I checked, no one was interested in a batter's height or size of his bicep, the last time he hit a triple! )
IMHO, results are what coaches look for.
Knock on coaches doors.
Make calls to baseball offices.
Ask for a tryout or evaluation.
Dont take no for an answer. Beg, plead, bake cookies ( ha!)....
Email the coaches and tell them of your desires and interest to play at the next level.
Hit every division you can think of.
Email them a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time. If possible, go to their camp or a showcase.
Send them your Spring schedule and ask them to come take a look at you.
Keep moving until you can get someone to take interest.
quote:I fear that no matter how much I practice and train it will never be good enough for college or even the bigs, can.
Gotta change your way of thinking.
From now on,... "FEAR" is a four letter word.
If I were you, I'd make a point to take it out of my vocabulary.
Think positive.
Say to yourself, " I will make it !!!! ".
Remember, baseball is is a mental game as well as a physical game.
Work harder than any other on your team, both on and off the field.
Go for it kid. Dont worry about chances or odds. Worry about making your dream happen!
I wish you the very very best!! PM me any time, and I would be glad to help you in your persuit of knocking on recruiting college doors!
Get movin' kiddo,....you got work ta' do!!
Fan-
Sounds like your son is strong and healthy. Stay on the shakes if you want to, maybe he is receiving some other health benefit from them besides weight gain. But nature is nature, he is on his own timeline for growth and weight gain. It will happen- this concern about getting bigger and stronger before a young man's body is ready for it is exactly what has kids/young men/ turning to illegal help to make things happen faster.
Relax, we all grow by a genetic code and he will be what that genetic code has already preset for him.
Keep working hard, eating right- he will not fail to mature
A pb&j on a really good whole wheat/7 grain bread
is about 350 calories - is a cheap, fast, easy and even better with chocolate milk.
Sounds like your son is strong and healthy. Stay on the shakes if you want to, maybe he is receiving some other health benefit from them besides weight gain. But nature is nature, he is on his own timeline for growth and weight gain. It will happen- this concern about getting bigger and stronger before a young man's body is ready for it is exactly what has kids/young men/ turning to illegal help to make things happen faster.
Relax, we all grow by a genetic code and he will be what that genetic code has already preset for him.
Keep working hard, eating right- he will not fail to mature
A pb&j on a really good whole wheat/7 grain bread
is about 350 calories - is a cheap, fast, easy and even better with chocolate milk.
quote:by fan: Bee, reading over this thread i realize you have a lot of knowledeg and i know i am just a mom. .. begin to understand how hard we have tried to put weight on my son ... But I dont know what else to do to get him to gain more. if you have any suggestions i would appreciate it
1) there is no such thing as "just" a mom
2) why not post some of your questions in the strength/conditioning forum - there are some knowledgable people there and some may have dealt with situations like your son's
3) they could also critique your son's workouts and may have some suggestions for more building & less burning - some conditioning programs can rev up metabolism
4) that dialog could help others too
5) and I'd be happy to answer any pm questions
fanofgame,
I know this was directed to Bee> but I am not sure what the issue is. Your son's weight will come on naturally, all you should worry about is that he eats a well balanced meal. And he eats to replace what he loses in workouts and playing. You cannot outsmart mother nature. You claim your son is not skinny, muscular, what do you want? My son's D1 roster had some smaller players than your son, it was about ability not size or weight. You seem to be equating the D1 opportunity to that. If your son is good enough to play at that level, they will have their trainers take care of that issue.
Interestingly enough, you should see the pick of the cardinals before my son, he's tall and a beanpole. His ability earned him second pick, not his weight.
TR is right, it comes when it comes.
I know this was directed to Bee> but I am not sure what the issue is. Your son's weight will come on naturally, all you should worry about is that he eats a well balanced meal. And he eats to replace what he loses in workouts and playing. You cannot outsmart mother nature. You claim your son is not skinny, muscular, what do you want? My son's D1 roster had some smaller players than your son, it was about ability not size or weight. You seem to be equating the D1 opportunity to that. If your son is good enough to play at that level, they will have their trainers take care of that issue.
Interestingly enough, you should see the pick of the cardinals before my son, he's tall and a beanpole. His ability earned him second pick, not his weight.
TR is right, it comes when it comes.
Fanofgame,
The player I am speaking of is 6'4", age 23 weighing in at 180.
The player I am speaking of is 6'4", age 23 weighing in at 180.
TPM he is also a lefty.
Yes BBHD,
Ability not weight.
Ability not weight.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Steve,
Agree with what you say, with one exception to the above quote. For the most part, players of any size to become a high level recruit, prospect and especially a successful Major Leaguer, all have to bring something special. Size by itself means very little without having something to go with it. We see lots of big kids with great bodies who lack the necessaqry talent. They might score higher regarding projection, but projection is the hardest thing to grade accurately.
PG,
Yes, I agree 100%. What I should have clearly said is, all other things being equal, size matters. I said my son's size sets him apart from smaller kids with similar baseball skills. In son's case, those skills are very high, which is the PRIMARY reason he reached top level D1 status. His size, strength and speed got him noticed.
In regards to my quote about a smaller guy bringing something special, I was trying to answer previous posts mentioning guys like Lincecum, who happens to have freakish arm strength. If his fastball was at 'only' 90-92 mph, he never would have been drafted in the higher rounds. His size would have prevented that. The fact that he brings it at 98-99 mph is what got him there. I'm sure you'd agree that if Lincecum was 6'3 220# he would have probably been the first or second overall pick in the draft. His size prevented that, so all things being equal, size matters.
In any case, you are absolutely correct. They ALL have to bring something special, regardless of size.
Lincecum is a freak of nature. Not sure he shouldn't have been one of the first two picks the way it was.
But it always amazes me when certain not so big players without amazing tools (ie, Eckstein) become outstanding Big League players. It is the exception to the rule, but I love it.
Yes, size does matter. But not to many of those who don't have it.
Of course, you are right also.
But it always amazes me when certain not so big players without amazing tools (ie, Eckstein) become outstanding Big League players. It is the exception to the rule, but I love it.
Yes, size does matter. But not to many of those who don't have it.
Of course, you are right also.
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
If I am a scout do I want player to be ripped and look fully mature at 18?
I remember reading once about a scout that had two players side by side, of equal ability, the player who looked like he had more room to grow (not necessarily up but out), with a baby face was his choice.
So from a scouting standpoint, what is best given the players have the same ability.
TPM,
I don't know how to answer your question. You'd have to ask the scouts who have evaluated my son, and the D1 coach who signed him.
In son's case, they chose the guy who has worked his tail off, has great tools, AND has a great athletic build. Does he have room to grow? Absolutely. Coaches and scouts would have to make their own judgements about individual players on a case by case basis. But, in son's case, I am convinced that his hard work to develop himself physically is what paid off in the end. He set himself apart from other less physically developed players with similar baseball skills.
As it turned out, he absolutely should have been the first player taken. Too bad his size prevented it.quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Lincecum is a freak of nature. Not sure he shouldn't have been one of the first two picks the way it was.
Thank you all for your great insight, I really am appreciating it. I will prove all of the naysayers wrong someday.
quote:Originally posted by BaseballRulz1789:
Thank you all for your great insight, I really am appreciating it. I will prove all of the naysayers wrong someday.
That's the right attitude! Go out and get what you want, regardless of what anyone tells you. It's totally up to you. Best of luck!
BBRulz - Sift through the advice, take advantage of that which seems appropriate for you....and go for it! Then, keep us all posted on how you progress. You've got a lot of people on this site who will be pulling for you!
quote:Originally posted by BaseballRulz1789:
Since most of you seem to be very knowledgable about the game, I figured I'd ask you.I've been playing baseball my entire lifeand I have dreams to continue to play as long as I can.
I'm entering my senior year.After high school I have aspirations to play college baseball and even pro baseball.However I havent got a look from any scouts not even division 3 schools. I've been starting on varsity since my sophomore year and play outfield. I batted around .330 last year and for the legion team i hit.400. I have dedicated myself to the game of baseball and feel like my game will improve greatly next season.
The problem that I have is that I'm a very small player. I'm only 5'11 and weigh around 150. I also don't have much muscle to me, but I have been lifting.
My main question I guess is what is the likelihood of me playing college baseball(any division) and from there do I have any shot at being drafted, if I continue to hone my skills. Should I continue to chase this dream or should I face reality? I fear that no matter how much I practice and train it will never be good enough for college or even the bigs, can. What should I do?
My son was 5'11" 150 lbs when he was drafted