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In another thread Iowamom23 made the statement:

"Son has been raised to know there are two kinds of coaches--those you respect because they have the title and those you respect because they have the knowledgeable skill to make him better."

That struck a chord with me.  So as to not hijack her thread I wanted to open my own.  If your son's coach isn't knowledgeable how should a kid react to that kind of coach? What are the Do's and Do-nots? 

I want my son to be respectful to ALL adults, and I understand it is not acceptable for the kid to say "Nope, not going to do that because that may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard on a ball field".  But seriously, how should a player act if he has zero faith in his coaches knowledge?

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I assume you mean high school coach where there isn't an option to change (i.e., as in travel).

Teach him that it's the reality of the world.  He'll have co-workers, bosses, subordinates, etc., who aren't necessarily the most knowledgeable throughout his life.  Be respectful and change the things you can and tolerate those you cannot.

So long as personal safety isn't a risk of the result, then he should put forth 100% to try and do what the coach asks of him.  

We've had some similar situations in our program where there are some fundamentals being taught that are not necessarily the best way to do something.  Nothing that would injure someone, but simply less efficient or different.  I've told my sons that when you're playing with coach A (HS), do it how he says, when you're with coach B (travel) do it the other way.

Actually had a scenario where one coach taught the pitchers how to catch the ball being returned by the catcher.  First week of summer after HS, my son was catching the ball that way.  His travel coach asked him what the hell he was doing.  Son told him that's how they have to do it on the HS team.  Travel coach's response was "stop doing that, you look like an idiot".

In all cases, be respectful and mindful of whose field he's on and behave accordingly.

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I taught my son early on to always respect authority & he would rarely be able to choose his coaches so he better find out how to make each one happy. 

Early on he got some bad instruction sometimes but he just said 'Yes, Sir" and made the necessary adjustments afterwards. 

I also, have never bad-mouthed a coach's strategy or game management, no matter how bad it may have been, in front of my son. IMO, adult conversations with a kid or in a kid's presence shouldn't take place on the car ride home from a game or anywhere. I know that high school is different as young men are expected to communicate directly with coaches. I've seen the lack of respect for coaches rub off on their kids. At a minimum, a kid should always be respectful unless their are some serious wrongs taking place. 

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Golfman25 posted:

We have a hitting coach in our area who kid made it thru HS, college and got drafted.  Kid is currently in the minors.  His comment in regards to a difference of opinion with their HS coach -- "If the coach is doing a bad drill, it is time to go take a ____."    

I am SOOOOO stealing this!

I would very nicely explain that you want your son to have one voice. Be it yours or an instructor. If they have an issue with that then you are in the wrong place.  As your son gets older then it's ok for the player to question the coach - again politely - and have a conversation about why he wants to do things a certain way. 

Nuke83 posted:

I assume you mean high school coach where there isn't an option to change (i.e., as in travel).

Teach him that it's the reality of the world.  He'll have co-workers, bosses, subordinates, etc., who aren't necessarily the most knowledgeable throughout his life.  Be respectful and change the things you can and tolerate those you cannot.

So long as personal safety isn't a risk of the result, then he should put forth 100% to try and do what the coach asks of him.  

We've had some similar situations in our program where there are some fundamentals being taught that are not necessarily the best way to do something.  Nothing that would injure someone, but simply less efficient or different.  I've told my sons that when you're playing with coach A (HS), do it how he says, when you're with coach B (travel) do it the other way.

Actually had a scenario where one coach taught the pitchers how to catch the ball being returned by the catcher.  First week of summer after HS, my son was catching the ball that way.  His travel coach asked him what the hell he was doing.  Son told him that's how they have to do it on the HS team.  Travel coach's response was "stop doing that, you look like an idiot".

In all cases, be respectful and mindful of whose field he's on and behave accordingly.

I must misunderstand this.  Surely you are not in favor of constantly changing mechanics to appease various coaches?

This provides a great opportunity to the players to be his own teacher/coach. Read books of the great players and learn. If you strike out learn to make adjustments.

Several days ago in Santa Rosa I told the story to the 25 pro scouts about Ralph Garr

[many knew Ralph]. When I meet Ralph [Braves scout and Batting champion] at our Area Code tryout in Houston, I asked Ralph who was your hitting instructor. He said Henry Aaron. I asked "what did Henry tell you"?

Henry said "Figure it out for yourself Ralph".

 

Bob

 

Isn't knowledgable or is Burned out and single digits from retiring. Here we have both.Out of pure luck before HS. 2016 played for 5 different travel HC's in 5 yrs.There were some carryover with Assistants.I can't remember how many times we had the conversation that theres no BBHC that knows everything.If there were there would be one way of playing and everyone would be the exact same.What he/us had to do was figure out from what was being taught by all those HC and AsHc what fit him or help him the most.Everything else tune out and move on respectfully of coarse.When the 5th in 5 rolled around I could tell he was'nt the most enthused kid there was.But when he got to HS he was miles ahead of anyone in the program.Even when these coaches don't know/care much theres always something to learn or take away from things.

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Every coach at every level has strengths and weaknesses.  Every coach has something good to offer, regardless of method of delivery.  Have your player seek out the good that each particular coach is offering.  Help your player understand that each coach will also have areas that are not his particular strength (just like us parents).  Always have respect.  Understand that there are often more than one right ways to do things.  I can't emphasize this enough.  Yes, there are coaches that are coaching things that are just wrong but, even more often, I see kids/parents furious and adamant that their kid is being taught incorrectly when, in fact, it is just a different right way.  

So, with the coach that is particularly low on the game knowledge aspect...

COMMUNICATE.  The majority of those coaches have at least some idea that they are not master mechanics of the game.  If there is a distinct difference in a mechanical or philosophical teach and the player is conflicted, he can politely ask the coach about it after practice or during a break.  "Coach, can you help me?  I'm sorry but I'm confused.  I have been taught XXX.  Can you explain why XXX is wrong and we are supposed to do it this way?"   

Both will probably learn something and it is just the right way to handle things.

I absolutely hate the idea of telling a kid to nod his head in agreement and then ignore.  What are we teaching them?  I have seen that blow up and cause more problems so many times.  

Even if you are producing, I would rather see it play out where you tell the coach in private, "I'm really struggling with this.  I have always been taught something different and I am having a hard time adjusting.  Is it OK if I do it this other way instead if I know it is what works best for me?"  This is better than nod and ignore.  If, then, you still get a completely ridiculous reaction, you know what you are dealing with and you just play.  But be open to actually listening to what he has to say.  Again, both can learn something.

CaCO3Girl posted:

In another thread Iowamom23 made the statement:

"Son has been raised to know there are two kinds of coaches--those you respect because they have the title and those you respect because they have the knowledgeable skill to make him better."

That struck a chord with me.  So as to not hijack her thread I wanted to open my own.  If your son's coach isn't knowledgeable how should a kid react to that kind of coach? What are the Do's and Do-nots? 

I want my son to be respectful to ALL adults, and I understand it is not acceptable for the kid to say "Nope, not going to do that because that may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard on a ball field".  But seriously, how should a player act if he has zero faith in his coaches knowledge?

Isn't knowledgeable by whose standards, the kids or the parents?  And what age are we talking?

BTW, in our program, we constantly reinforce the message that we understand many are getting private lessons, which we encourage, and the most important thing is to avoid confusion.  We insist our players speak up if they hear instruction from us that is contradictory to what they are being taught outside of the program.  When they do, it is almost always just different language or a different angle to the same desired end result.  Sometimes it is two right ways.  Once in a great while, it is different mechanical philosophies and we'll discuss which might work better for that particular player.   I don't have a problem if it turns out to be the other guy's way.  Sometimes a player will take the nod and ignore route.  Sometimes I don't know about it and life goes on.  Sometimes it becomes obvious and we have issues.  Big issues.  There's one of my weaknesses, I guess.  I consider that dishonest and disrespectful, regardless of intent.

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bballdad2016 posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

In another thread Iowamom23 made the statement:

"Son has been raised to know there are two kinds of coaches--those you respect because they have the title and those you respect because they have the knowledgeable skill to make him better."

That struck a chord with me.  So as to not hijack her thread I wanted to open my own.  If your son's coach isn't knowledgeable how should a kid react to that kind of coach? What are the Do's and Do-nots? 

I want my son to be respectful to ALL adults, and I understand it is not acceptable for the kid to say "Nope, not going to do that because that may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard on a ball field".  But seriously, how should a player act if he has zero faith in his coaches knowledge?

Isn't knowledgeable by whose standards, the kids or the parents?  And what age are we talking?

I'm hypothetically talking about high school.  Knowledgeable by the players standards.  From what I have heard the high school coach is knowledgeable and my son shouldn't have a problem but Iowamom's comment made me wonder...what if the coach did want my son to do something he felt was incorrect, or something that had options and he had already worked out with a previous coach on what worked best and now was being asked to do it the other way.

It seems from this thread there are options:

1. Smile, nod, then do things the way you have always done them (I don't like this plan, it seems disrespectful and the definition of a know-it-all uncoachable player)

2. Try it, if it's not working for you pull the coach to the side and have that conversation with him. (I like this idea)

3. Change mechanics based on the coach (I don't like this but I have seen this happen even in youth ball)

4. Make an excuse to get off the field so there is no confrontation.  (I imagine this would work a few times but might become noticed and backfire)

I tell my son to make sure he is understanding what is asked of him and there is no miscommunication. If the they are on a different page son will give it a go, but sometimes it just does not feel right. If that's the case then son will have to talk to the coach one on one and hopefully there will be some compromises on both sides.    

CaCO3Girl posted:

  If your son's coach isn't knowledgeable how should a kid react to that kind of coach? What are the Do's and Do-nots? 

 

 If my player is in HS and playing with a coach that is not knowledgeable, he wont be playing with him. I am not talking about a HS coach but rather a summer/fall travel coach, etc.

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My boy is going through this now. HS freshman has two coaches. One never played the other only played on the little field. The one that never played understands his limitations but loves baseball and is a really good coach. The one that played little league thinks he's an expert. He's already tried to change the boys pitching and hitting mechanics. Son asked me what he should do. I said he can talk to the coach about his concerns but if he does or if he doesn't he better say yes sir and try what he's asked. Then said if he's worried about it call one of the coaches in his organization and ask them for advice. He texted the pitching instructor. The guy replied back, dads correct say yes sir and try what's asked. My son asked if it could mess him up. The coach replied back, there is nothing they can do in the three months that they have you we can't fix in the 9 months we do. Hahaha I loved that reply. It definitely put it in perspective. Best part was the next day son was hitting with his same swing and the coach said see how much better you are hitting doing what I told you. The boy said he almost choked when he said yes sir.  

But hey first scrimmage is tomorrow so who cares. It's ball season

Scotty83 posted:

My boy is going through this now. HS freshman has two coaches. One never played the other only played on the little field. The one that never played understands his limitations but loves baseball and is a really good coach. The one that played little league thinks he's an expert. He's already tried to change the boys pitching and hitting mechanics. Son asked me what he should do. I said he can talk to the coach about his concerns but if he does or if he doesn't he better say yes sir and try what he's asked. Then said if he's worried about it call one of the coaches in his organization and ask them for advice. He texted the pitching instructor. The guy replied back, dads correct say yes sir and try what's asked. My son asked if it could mess him up. The coach replied back, there is nothing they can do in the three months that they have you we can't fix in the 9 months we do. Hahaha I loved that reply. It definitely put it in perspective. Best part was the next day son was hitting with his same swing and the coach said see how much better you are hitting doing what I told you. The boy said he almost choked when he said yes sir.  

But hey first scrimmage is tomorrow so who cares. It's ball season

I disagree.   Having my 2017 son get the dumbest hitting mechanic advice from the Varsity head coach i should have told my son to completely ignore the coach.  It took literally, 4 months of hard work to undo what that coach did to my son.  I wrote about this two years ago on this forum.  

Some coaches don't deserve respect beyond the player speaking politely. 

I'm thinking you don't encounter too many college baseball coaches that have no clue how to play the game. 

lionbaseball posted:
Scotty83 posted:

My boy is going through this now. HS freshman has two coaches. One never played the other only played on the little field. The one that never played understands his limitations but loves baseball and is a really good coach. The one that played little league thinks he's an expert. He's already tried to change the boys pitching and hitting mechanics. Son asked me what he should do. I said he can talk to the coach about his concerns but if he does or if he doesn't he better say yes sir and try what he's asked. Then said if he's worried about it call one of the coaches in his organization and ask them for advice. He texted the pitching instructor. The guy replied back, dads correct say yes sir and try what's asked. My son asked if it could mess him up. The coach replied back, there is nothing they can do in the three months that they have you we can't fix in the 9 months we do. Hahaha I loved that reply. It definitely put it in perspective. Best part was the next day son was hitting with his same swing and the coach said see how much better you are hitting doing what I told you. The boy said he almost choked when he said yes sir.  

But hey first scrimmage is tomorrow so who cares. It's ball season

I disagree.   Having my 2017 son get the dumbest hitting mechanic advice from the Varsity head coach i should have told my son to completely ignore the coach.  It took literally, 4 months of hard work to undo what that coach did to my son.  I wrote about this two years ago on this forum.  

Some coaches don't deserve respect beyond the player speaking politely. 

I'm thinking you don't encounter too many college baseball coaches that have no clue how to play the game. 

You seem to be one of those parents who have complaints about everything and everyone.  Does anyone, IYO do anything right?  

NTGson as 9th grader on varsity had new HS Asst Coach who was attempting to adjust his pitching mechanics. Unbeknownst to me, the boy asked HSAC to meet with him and his long-time and extremely knowledgeable pitching instructor at instructor's facility to clarify the "language and terms" being used by HSAC because NTGson was getting confused. The three of them worked it out. All I had to do was drive the kid to the meeting.

My son's hitting instruction facility has a saying I love - "survive the winter". In a cage a coach will critique everything. On the field no one will change a thing when the ball is flying in the gap or over the fence. Very different hitting philosophy from his HS coach. Doing "fence drill", hit down on it ("hammer the nail"), take "knob/hands to the ball" stay balanced AFTER contact. All the old cliches that slow motion video has now disproven, but old ballcoaches are still repeating the same stuff they were told years ago. All a coach has to do is ask a player if he's working with an instructor and what they're working on. Then you can tailor your approach to not confuse a kid. But so many don't. Be respectful, have a conversation if you can, and survive the winter! 

TPM posted:
lionbaseball posted:
Scotty83 posted:

My boy is going through this now. HS freshman has two coaches. One never played the other only played on the little field. The one that never played understands his limitations but loves baseball and is a really good coach. The one that played little league thinks he's an expert. He's already tried to change the boys pitching and hitting mechanics. Son asked me what he should do. I said he can talk to the coach about his concerns but if he does or if he doesn't he better say yes sir and try what he's asked. Then said if he's worried about it call one of the coaches in his organization and ask them for advice. He texted the pitching instructor. The guy replied back, dads correct say yes sir and try what's asked. My son asked if it could mess him up. The coach replied back, there is nothing they can do in the three months that they have you we can't fix in the 9 months we do. Hahaha I loved that reply. It definitely put it in perspective. Best part was the next day son was hitting with his same swing and the coach said see how much better you are hitting doing what I told you. The boy said he almost choked when he said yes sir.  

But hey first scrimmage is tomorrow so who cares. It's ball season

I disagree.   Having my 2017 son get the dumbest hitting mechanic advice from the Varsity head coach i should have told my son to completely ignore the coach.  It took literally, 4 months of hard work to undo what that coach did to my son.  I wrote about this two years ago on this forum.  

Some coaches don't deserve respect beyond the player speaking politely. 

I'm thinking you don't encounter too many college baseball coaches that have no clue how to play the game. 

You seem to be one of those parents who have complaints about everything and everyone.  Does anyone, IYO do anything right?  

So what is the point of your worthless accusation? 

2020dad posted:
Nuke83 posted:

I assume you mean high school coach where there isn't an option to change (i.e., as in travel).

Teach him that it's the reality of the world.  He'll have co-workers, bosses, subordinates, etc., who aren't necessarily the most knowledgeable throughout his life.  Be respectful and change the things you can and tolerate those you cannot.

So long as personal safety isn't a risk of the result, then he should put forth 100% to try and do what the coach asks of him.  

We've had some similar situations in our program where there are some fundamentals being taught that are not necessarily the best way to do something.  Nothing that would injure someone, but simply less efficient or different.  I've told my sons that when you're playing with coach A (HS), do it how he says, when you're with coach B (travel) do it the other way.

Actually had a scenario where one coach taught the pitchers how to catch the ball being returned by the catcher.  First week of summer after HS, my son was catching the ball that way.  His travel coach asked him what the hell he was doing.  Son told him that's how they have to do it on the HS team.  Travel coach's response was "stop doing that, you look like an idiot".

In all cases, be respectful and mindful of whose field he's on and behave accordingly.

I must misunderstand this.  Surely you are not in favor of constantly changing mechanics to appease various coaches?

If you read my post, I clearly qualify fundamentals and ensuring that safety (not putting player at greater risk or injury).  To that point, I'm going to get very specific.  You state "constantly changing".  I don't know what you mean.  If you believe having a spring coach tell you to do it one way, and a summer coach another, then we're talking about doing something two different ways a year. I don't think that's constant, but perhaps you do.  I'm assuming that we're not talking about playing for two different coaches simultaneously (coach A and his way on M,W,F and coach B on Sat, Sun).

With respect to changing mechanics, yes, why not?  When players see a different pitching or hitting coach, they typically have different philosophies and will tweak different things.  This is really no different.  Most HS coaches teach a certain way to their beliefs and travel coaches may teach another.  In trying different things, you can often find something that works better.  I certainly subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", so if it's working, leave it alone.  Also, if the kid is perfect in all facets and no improvement is necessary, then NO ONE should be changing anything.  My guess is that kid isn't out there this season.

Finally, to be frank, I'll give two specific examples of what I'm talking about.  One coach teaches how to crow hop.  He has these kids basically performing an Olympic quality high jump when throwing the ball from the outfield.  In my opinion, it's inefficient and simply looks ridiculous.  They perform drills where they crow hop over a bucket to practice throws in from the outfield.  It's the most exaggerated crow hop you'll ever see.  Guess what, that's what my kid does when he's with that team.  Not the other.  Other example.  One coach expects the pitcher to receive all throws back with two hands in a specific catching motion on every throw back from the catcher.  When playing with that team, he does it.  Not with the other.  Both of these are rather benign, but it speaks to my point.

In both examples, he's respectful of the coach with which he disagrees.  He does it his way, then doesn't with the other coach.  Neither puts him at risk of injury.  I do believe one is less productive in producing results, but that's the coach's wish, so it's done that way.

 

EDIT: And apologies for such an anal reply.  I've been working on taxes all day so I'm in "that mode"

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I try like heck to avoid these threads but here goes again.  How do you know how knowledgeable a coach is?  In one response, the playing ability of the coach was mentioned.  I know a guy who was born with a handicap and never played.  However, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows the game as well as he does.  Even better is that he has the ability to transfer that knowledge/information to players.  I saw a comment on 9 months versus 3 months.  Well, if a calendar is the criteria then that would be right.  I see players who play for some of these TB organizations go for a team practice once a week and individual work maybe an hour but mostly a half hour per week.  My team practices 3 hours every day.  We do so today.  At the risk of sounding arrogant, if you want to talk about knowledge/experience/any other criteria, I will match anyone in my area.  Yet, I'm a HS Coach and so, because you don't pay and pay and pay for my services, many of you think I'm the dumber of the two. 

I'll put this in another light.  I've been around a long time and so, I'm one of those old guard guys mentioned in this thread before suggesting that we are past our prime.  This is my 29th year of coaching HS.  I've been through Lau, Epstein, Yeager, Englishbey, Mankin, and Hudgens.  I've continued to study the game every day.  When I see a flaw and point it out, just maybe the expert hasn't because he doesn't know what to look for.  When I'm talking about strategy with the players and why we do something a certain way it might be because that is what it took to win state titles at the HS level with the kids we get in our school system as opposed to some TB Program that might pick the best from 5 HS Programs and so, the coach rolls the ball out and they play.  Hell, they should win.  I think you get my point about knowledge.

(Note, this is not really an attack on any TB Programs but rather a defense of the stupid guys who coach at the HS level.  Stupid because they could go to some facility and become experts.  LOL)

There are sime great and not so great high school and TB coaches. I think some parents get caught up in the 'paid professional coach' label. There are great and not so great 'paid professional coaches.' I don't think Bill Belichick played football at a high level but he sure can coach...or cheat...or both...Lol! My point is that some people are great teachers, even if they haven't played at a high level. 

The dad of a well-known major leaguer told a friend of mine that his organization didn't want to coach kids any younger than 13. Two years later he had teams as young as 9u. Why the change? It's all about an opportunity to make more money.  

Look, I get it. We all have to earn a living but some of this stuff that travel ball organizations are doing is ridiculous. I have seen SOME coaches of big time organizations have absolutely no patience with pre-high school kids. SOME really don't want to deal with them but an extra six teams at $2500 per player is worth the hassle I guess.

So, I said all that to say, we shouldn't paint with a wide brush and should evaluate each coach on his own merit.

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CoachB25 posted:

I try like heck to avoid these threads but here goes again.  How do you know how knowledgeable a coach is?  In one response, the playing ability of the coach was mentioned.  I know a guy who was born with a handicap and never played.  However, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows the game as well as he does.  Even better is that he has the ability to transfer that knowledge/information to players.  I saw a comment on 9 months versus 3 months.  Well, if a calendar is the criteria then that would be right.  I see players who play for some of these TB organizations go for a team practice once a week and individual work maybe an hour but mostly a half hour per week.  My team practices 3 hours every day.  We do so today.  At the risk of sounding arrogant, if you want to talk about knowledge/experience/any other criteria, I will match anyone in my area.  Yet, I'm a HS Coach and so, because you don't pay and pay and pay for my services, many of you think I'm the dumber of the two. 

I'll put this in another light.  I've been around a long time and so, I'm one of those old guard guys mentioned in this thread before suggesting that we are past our prime.  This is my 29th year of coaching HS.  I've been through Lau, Epstein, Yeager, Englishbey, Mankin, and Hudgens.  I've continued to study the game every day.  When I see a flaw and point it out, just maybe the expert hasn't because he doesn't know what to look for.  When I'm talking about strategy with the players and why we do something a certain way it might be because that is what it took to win state titles at the HS level with the kids we get in our school system as opposed to some TB Program that might pick the best from 5 HS Programs and so, the coach rolls the ball out and they play.  Hell, they should win.  I think you get my point about knowledge.

(Note, this is not really an attack on any TB Programs but rather a defense of the stupid guys who coach at the HS level.  Stupid because they could go to some facility and become experts.  LOL)

CoachB25, I wasn't trying to paint ALL high school coaches with one brush.  In my mind I was thinking of something like the jump over a bucket crow hop drill mentioned.  Some drill or demand that is going to have a travel ball player (from a decent program) scratching his head and saying "oh no, he can't be serious, that's just stupid"...which isn't how any player should talk to a coach, but may run through their mind, and I wondered how others handle the issue.

Timely post.  I would ask what you would tell your son to do on this.  My son is playing middle school ball.  Coach lets them bat and gives them 8 pitches.  All over the place - over their heads in the dirt and so on.  He tells them they must swing at them.  He actually got upset with my son because he did not swing at one over his head.  So how do you deal with that or is this a normal thing that happens in school ball?

Nuke83 posted:
2020dad posted:
Nuke83 posted:

I assume you mean high school coach where there isn't an option to change (i.e., as in travel).

Teach him that it's the reality of the world.  He'll have co-workers, bosses, subordinates, etc., who aren't necessarily the most knowledgeable throughout his life.  Be respectful and change the things you can and tolerate those you cannot.

So long as personal safety isn't a risk of the result, then he should put forth 100% to try and do what the coach asks of him.  

We've had some similar situations in our program where there are some fundamentals being taught that are not necessarily the best way to do something.  Nothing that would injure someone, but simply less efficient or different.  I've told my sons that when you're playing with coach A (HS), do it how he says, when you're with coach B (travel) do it the other way.

Actually had a scenario where one coach taught the pitchers how to catch the ball being returned by the catcher.  First week of summer after HS, my son was catching the ball that way.  His travel coach asked him what the hell he was doing.  Son told him that's how they have to do it on the HS team.  Travel coach's response was "stop doing that, you look like an idiot".

In all cases, be respectful and mindful of whose field he's on and behave accordingly.

I must misunderstand this.  Surely you are not in favor of constantly changing mechanics to appease various coaches?

If you read my post, I clearly qualify fundamentals and ensuring that safety (not putting player at greater risk or injury).  To that point, I'm going to get very specific.  You state "constantly changing".  I don't know what you mean.  If you believe having a spring coach tell you to do it one way, and a summer coach another, then we're talking about doing something two different ways a year. I don't think that's constant, but perhaps you do.  I'm assuming that we're not talking about playing for two different coaches simultaneously (coach A and his way on M,W,F and coach B on Sat, Sun).

With respect to changing mechanics, yes, why not?  When players see a different pitching or hitting coach, they typically have different philosophies and will tweak different things.  This is really no different.  Most HS coaches teach a certain way to their beliefs and travel coaches may teach another.  In trying different things, you can often find something that works better.  I certainly subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", so if it's working, leave it alone.  Also, if the kid is perfect in all facets and no improvement is necessary, then NO ONE should be changing anything.  My guess is that kid isn't out there this season.

Finally, to be frank, I'll give two specific examples of what I'm talking about.  One coach teaches how to crow hop.  He has these kids basically performing an Olympic quality high jump when throwing the ball from the outfield.  In my opinion, it's inefficient and simply looks ridiculous.  They perform drills where they crow hop over a bucket to practice throws in from the outfield.  It's the most exaggerated crow hop you'll ever see.  Guess what, that's what my kid does when he's with that team.  Not the other.  Other example.  One coach expects the pitcher to receive all throws back with two hands in a specific catching motion on every throw back from the catcher.  When playing with that team, he does it.  Not with the other.  Both of these are rather benign, but it speaks to my point.

In both examples, he's respectful of the coach with which he disagrees.  He does it his way, then doesn't with the other coach.  Neither puts him at risk of injury.  I do believe one is less productive in producing results, but that's the coach's wish, so it's done that way.

 

EDIT: And apologies for such an anal reply.  I've been working on taxes all day so I'm in "that mode"

I think twice a year is constantly changing, yes.  Bottom line is we are supposed to be searching for the mechanics that are right for the individual.  It is a progression. Not a matter of being perfect but a matter of continuous tweaking.  Hopefully as you find something that works you keep that then move on to fix something else.  At some point hopefully you are making minor adjustments.  But completely changing mechanics to pacify a couple different coaches is idiotic. 

Alanj posted:

Timely post.  I would ask what you would tell your son to do on this.  My son is playing middle school ball.  Coach lets them bat and gives them 8 pitches.  All over the place - over their heads in the dirt and so on.  He tells them they must swing at them.  He actually got upset with my son because he did not swing at one over his head.  So how do you deal with that or is this a normal thing that happens in school ball?

Maybe the coach just wants to see if kids can take a crud pitch and turn it into something.  The hit and run play comes to mind where it doesn't really matter where that ball was pitched, you have to hit it or you screw up the play.  Plus it was practice....my big concern were things the coach expects to be done in a game that are just weird.

Alanj posted:

CaCO3Girl,

Thanks for the reply.  I am really new to all this - so that just seemed weird and I can see your scenario.  I really don't know how he is gonna coach in a game - first one tomorrow.  I am keeping an open mind. 

Are you on the NWGA baseball forum too?

Alan

Sent you a PM Alanj, look in the upper right hand part of your screen for the alert, and welcome to the board!

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