This is an issue. It is tough to find a coach who is willing to put in the time required when financially they make peanuts.
Also, if you are relying on your coach or AD to assist you in the recruiting process I think you are making a big mistake. The athlete and his family need to take on this responsibility. Again, I see a lot of coaches who are not willing to do this because of the time commitment.
A coach told me once it's pretty hard to help the few who truely have the skills to go onto the next level and not the others. I think that is why most don't. In this case, seems like the parent resented that he helped one and not others, I understand, but with how the year ended, I could see why the coach wanted to stay away. It's a shame, the son probably is very nice and respectful and probably not as upset as the parent.
I am not really sure I understand, the player had only 3 HR in 3 HS seasons, if a really good student why would a suggestion of a D3 be a bad thing? Did you know that our own JH plays for a D3 program and he does pretty well for himself. I would suppose he fund recruiting tough in HS as well as most but like he has written here, he took care of his own business and made it happen and never laid blame on anyone, even the HS coach he didn't care for.
The scenerio continues as this is the same type of parent that gets upset when he finds out that a scout came to watch and no one told him/her he was there.
I am also curious why ne posted a while back about a player who signed but not announced on teh website, was this the player who was the coaches pet? If it was, shouldn't one just worry about their own player, not what does or doesn't happen with another? As I said all of these things seem to tie into one, the parent upset with the coach, the parent upset others are getting attention and not their player.
I asked, ne, where did your son end up, which type of program, was it the one with the recruiting AD? If so, I am not sure I understand the beef, that would make it old news correct?
I am not really sure I understand, the player had only 3 HR in 3 HS seasons, if a really good student why would a suggestion of a D3 be a bad thing? Did you know that our own JH plays for a D3 program and he does pretty well for himself. I would suppose he fund recruiting tough in HS as well as most but like he has written here, he took care of his own business and made it happen and never laid blame on anyone, even the HS coach he didn't care for.
The scenerio continues as this is the same type of parent that gets upset when he finds out that a scout came to watch and no one told him/her he was there.
I am also curious why ne posted a while back about a player who signed but not announced on teh website, was this the player who was the coaches pet? If it was, shouldn't one just worry about their own player, not what does or doesn't happen with another? As I said all of these things seem to tie into one, the parent upset with the coach, the parent upset others are getting attention and not their player.
I asked, ne, where did your son end up, which type of program, was it the one with the recruiting AD? If so, I am not sure I understand the beef, that would make it old news correct?
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
When I was a college coach I would watch many players without them knowing I was there. In fact, I preferred it that way.
Nothing wrong with the ninja approach. If you fall head over heels for a kid, you can stick around. If you see him as a possible recruit, you can follow up, later. If you're not impressed, you can simply move on. No one gets false hope. No one's feelings get hurt. I understand your desire to fly low.
One time, a guy shows up in the middle of a game wearing a blue baseball cap. Big, athletic dude. He stood along the RF fence, by himself. Looking at his watch. Writing stuff down. Seemed to know the other team's coach. Waved to the right fielder. On his cell phone. Watching the game and writing stuff down.
Whispers in the crowd. The word gets around he's a scout for UDelaware, checking out some players.
Next thing you know, I see a dad from our team go over, introduce himself, shake the guy's hand... (I'm sure this dad thought it was his son that was being watched.) Dad was there for less than a minute. He comes back.
"Well...?" his wife asks.
"That's the other team's bus driver. He's doing a crossword puzzle."
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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Antzdad, now that's funny!
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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No. 8 down: Tricked or deceived. Five letters. Starts with "D".
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Duped!
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No. 14 across: Conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate. Seven letters. Starts with "C".
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No. 14 across: Conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate. Seven letters. Starts with "C".
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I have had a lot of players recruited over the years. Sometimes they were kids everyone knew about. College coaches were at many games. All they wanted was a schedule before the season started. If they were a pitcher they called at the start of the week to see when they would be throwing. If they were a position player they just came and there was no need for them to announce it to anyone. Sometimes the player was not a well known player and I made the contact and invited the coach or coaches to come see the kid play. Sometimes another coach told some coaches about one of my players and I did the same many times.
Several years ago I had a good player I thought was a mid major D1 possible a def D2 guy. I told him that UNCG was coming to see him play. The kid was a nervous wreck and stunk it up. Made three errors and pressed at the plate. From that point on I never said a word when I knew a coach was coming to see a player that was not used to having coaches come see him play. Most of the better players spend the entire summer and fall playing in front of college coaches. They are used to it and understand to just play the game. Some kids not used to it struggle. IMO there is no advantage to knowing. A player should approach the game the exact same way regardless.
I have never heard of an AD recruiting or scouting for a college coach. But I dont doubt your story so that is quite unusual. I see no advantage to knowing. If they like your kid they like your kid wether he knows about them being there or not. You sound bitter and angry and I hope your not. It sounds like everything worked out fine for your son. There is no benefit to holding grudges and being bitter. Some coaches do a great job working for their players and some do not.
The player not knowing or being informed that someone is there to watch him has no bearing on future opportunities from that program. His performance when they are watching is all that matters.
Several years ago I had a good player I thought was a mid major D1 possible a def D2 guy. I told him that UNCG was coming to see him play. The kid was a nervous wreck and stunk it up. Made three errors and pressed at the plate. From that point on I never said a word when I knew a coach was coming to see a player that was not used to having coaches come see him play. Most of the better players spend the entire summer and fall playing in front of college coaches. They are used to it and understand to just play the game. Some kids not used to it struggle. IMO there is no advantage to knowing. A player should approach the game the exact same way regardless.
I have never heard of an AD recruiting or scouting for a college coach. But I dont doubt your story so that is quite unusual. I see no advantage to knowing. If they like your kid they like your kid wether he knows about them being there or not. You sound bitter and angry and I hope your not. It sounds like everything worked out fine for your son. There is no benefit to holding grudges and being bitter. Some coaches do a great job working for their players and some do not.
The player not knowing or being informed that someone is there to watch him has no bearing on future opportunities from that program. His performance when they are watching is all that matters.
quote:Originally posted by Harv:
Antzdad, now that's funny!
Who's to say whether a HS Coach is good or bad? A HS coach, in any sport, as many concerns and responsibilities far removed from the actual teaching of the game's skills.
He must teach sportsmanship, team work, ethics and morals as well as the sport specific skills. He must teach pre-planning and travel behavior. He must teach that the players are representing their team and their school more so than themselves. He must teach that a player's behavior and "play" reflects on the school.
I believe, in the recent years where many are playing on more competitive travel teams that the basic requirements for a quality HS Coach have been forgotten.
While I of course like to see quality top notch baseball being played and taught I firmly believe that it is more important that a HS coach teach gentlemanly competitive behavior and strong team skills along with a quest for academic excellence.
That is a great post.
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TPM, because you did not agree with NE, he isn't going to answer your questions.
NE,as a parent during HS, it did not matter to us if anyone was coming. As a matter of fact we don't know to this day if anyone came to watch him. As it turned out, his talent and hard work got him a school to play for. During son's sophomore year at JC, he was told of several coaches coming to see him. Guess what, he stunk it up big time because he knew they were watching him. Some kids do well under those circumstances, others not so well.
I can relate to being upset with HS coach, but in the end a good player doesn't need their help. In a few years you will look back and say "I got upset over nothing". Trust me, been there done that.
NE,as a parent during HS, it did not matter to us if anyone was coming. As a matter of fact we don't know to this day if anyone came to watch him. As it turned out, his talent and hard work got him a school to play for. During son's sophomore year at JC, he was told of several coaches coming to see him. Guess what, he stunk it up big time because he knew they were watching him. Some kids do well under those circumstances, others not so well.
I can relate to being upset with HS coach, but in the end a good player doesn't need their help. In a few years you will look back and say "I got upset over nothing". Trust me, been there done that.
What happened to all the experienced high school coaches is they probably got sick of so many parents telling them how to do their job! If the parents know so much why aren't they coaching?? I have been amazed at the behavior I have seen by parents of athletes.
quote:If the parents know so much why aren't they coaching??
My dad is a high school basketball coach. He has been for most of 35 years in 3 states. In August he got fired. "They" decided to go a different route. Now he is an assistant coach. On a local website, people were ripping him left and right. "He knows knothing, etc." The school ended up begging him to come back because they couldn't find somebody to step up and take the position. After telling them to get lost at least once or twice, he finally agreed to come back. He and the head coach are really good friends and he truly cares about the kids. His JV team ended up going 11-5 this year. The head coach has resigned, but my dad is considering returning next year if the new coach wants him to. He's tired of the cr*p that goes on in the school setting today both as a coach and as a teacher.
My son has a pretty bad coaching situation entring this season. Basically a football coach, wannabe baseball coach. I told him its a 2 month season and your off to your travel/summer team. Suck it up, carry the team and dont expect any favors. My kid catches, pitches, 3b all at high level. The coach has an attitude, my sons got to learn to get through it. Cant do anything about it, it really sucks. I feel for other top notch players in the same situation. If the coach was one of these guys that demanded all players play summer ball for him, Im afrid we would have to change schools, which means MOVE. How bad is that. I could see many kids dropping out of baseball, maybe thats the problem???
CaBB I know many coaches who got out of coaching in HS for that reason. They simply got tired of having to deal with it. They were really good coaches. A couple had coached in college and decided to teach and coach in hs because they were tired of having to travel so much and recruiting. I have been amazed at how some parents will go to war over where there son hits in the line up and never say a word to their kids about poor academic performance or poor behavior.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
quote:Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
true ....how very true. most of us go through the spell where our blood type is b-negative.
as i tell my workers, you never go to the supply house and hear good story's about other contractors. only the bad stuff sells. worry about what you can control, the rest goes out with the dishwater.
quote:He quit right before my son started high school and I asked him why. He said he got tired of dealing with parents, and the administration taking the side of the parents.
I did it for 25 years and I truly enjoyed it. There were a couple instances the last year or 2 sort of let me see the proverbial writing on the wall. The above statement is one that talking to present coaches comes up more often than you would think. What was great was I coached. they basically left me alone. parents came to the game watched and went home. Now i see where a lot of coaches have a meeting with the parents at the beginning of the season to let them know what is expected of their sons. In all my years never had a meeting. Now you have to explain to parents what being a member of a baseball team entails? and of course you have the parent booster club. Well intentioned but I have heard where in some cases it gets a little iffy.
As a friend says it is what it is. If you can handle it you stick around.
Originally posted by seventhinningstretch:
Where did all of the High School coaches that had some sort of Collegiate, minor league and or professional carreers go?
Almost every head coach in our area fits that mold, and I do not think our part of the country is unique.
I am concerned these guys that sell themselves as coaches and teachers can hurt the seasoned players both physically and mentally.
Well, on the national level, there is no need for you to concern yourself about such things.
In fact I think that some of the players are better educated than they are. Is anyone seeing the same thing?
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I especially like someone questioning my capability as a teacher that has no grasp of the basic rules of capitalization, spelling, and grammar.
Where did all of the High School coaches that had some sort of Collegiate, minor league and or professional carreers go?
Almost every head coach in our area fits that mold, and I do not think our part of the country is unique.
I am concerned these guys that sell themselves as coaches and teachers can hurt the seasoned players both physically and mentally.
Well, on the national level, there is no need for you to concern yourself about such things.
In fact I think that some of the players are better educated than they are. Is anyone seeing the same thing?
No
I especially like someone questioning my capability as a teacher that has no grasp of the basic rules of capitalization, spelling, and grammar.
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Yep.
Find it fascinating that a thread that originally asked the question "What happened to all the experienced coaches?" was in actuality/turned into a ***** session about perceived poor coaches. Doesn't take any great insight to see where the coaches all went...they got tired of spending more time explaining why Johnny hasn't gotten started/ recruited/signed yet...instead of what they wanted and should be doing; coaching/developing/teaching.
Long term…there is little sympathy among long term posters because most all of their have been down that same road…dealt with these situation, these coaches. The good news/bad news is to get used to it, learn to deal with it…use your energy to overcome, rise above, find a way around, wait them out…much as we might find it challenging, these type of supervisors are found all around us…as college coaches, as professors, as bosses, as wives and husbands…the faster our son’s learn to minimize their impact then the faster they move onward and upward...
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quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
CaBB I know many coaches who got out of coaching in HS for that reason. They simply got tired of having to deal with it. They were really good coaches. A couple had coached in college and decided to teach and coach in hs because they were tired of having to travel so much and recruiting. I have been amazed at how some parents will go to war over where there son hits in the line up and never say a word to their kids about poor academic performance or poor behavior.
Yes there are some coaches that are not as good as others. But come on its hs baseball and if a kid is going to excell at this game lets be honest. If he has to rely on the hs coach to push him and develop him in a 3 month time span a year is he really a player? Does he really want it? Does he really have what it takes? The kids that do will. What are you doing those other 9 months of the year? What are you doing on your own? Its just too easy to blame it on someone else. Its too easy to find a scape goat.
Everyone has a horror story they can tell. But whats the point? What good does it do? Move on and be thankful for what you have and be positive. That works pretty well imo.
Yep.
Find it fascinating that a thread that originally asked the question "What happened to all the experienced coaches?" was in actuality/turned into a ***** session about perceived poor coaches. Doesn't take any great insight to see where the coaches all went...they got tired of spending more time explaining why Johnny hasn't gotten started/ recruited/signed yet...instead of what they wanted and should be doing; coaching/developing/teaching.
Long term…there is little sympathy among long term posters because most all of their have been down that same road…dealt with these situation, these coaches. The good news/bad news is to get used to it, learn to deal with it…use your energy to overcome, rise above, find a way around, wait them out…much as we might find it challenging, these type of supervisors are found all around us…as college coaches, as professors, as bosses, as wives and husbands…the faster our son’s learn to minimize their impact then the faster they move onward and upward...
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Most high school coaches have always been bad. My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me. However, with that kind of payroll what do you expect. I think most of them do their best and are very giving of their time, I will give them that.
We do have an amazing coach for Pleasant Grove High School in Utah. He knows a lot about the game and inspires the students.
We do have an amazing coach for Pleasant Grove High School in Utah. He knows a lot about the game and inspires the students.
quote:Originally posted by The Pitching Academy:
Most high school coaches have always been bad. My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me.
That is an awful generalization from your own experience. I think you're making a mistake making such a blanket statement about "most" high school coaches.
quote:Originally posted by Emanski's Heroes:quote:Originally posted by The Pitching Academy:
Most high school coaches have always been bad. My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me.
That is an awful generalization from your own experience. I think you're making a mistake making such a blanket statement about "most" high school coaches.
Yes...I agree with Emanski. We can also say that there are a number of TERRIBLE PRIVATE INSTRUCTORS too, that are in it ONLY for the money. I guess I'm lucky that my son has a pretty good HS coach/staff at his school?
quote:Originally posted by bsbl247:quote:Originally posted by Emanski's Heroes:quote:Originally posted by The Pitching Academy:
Most high school coaches have always been bad. My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me.
That is an awful generalization from your own experience. I think you're making a mistake making such a blanket statement about "most" high school coaches.
Yes...I agree with Emanski. We can also say that there are a number of TERRIBLE PRIVATE INSTRUCTORS too, that are in it ONLY for the money. I guess I'm lucky that my son has a pretty good HS coach/staff at his school?
I agree with them, as a pitching instructor I would expect better than to make those statements here, where we have had HS coaches posting for many years.
I also agree, there are some pretty bad instuctors out there, taking money from people they have no business taking it from.
That is the problem I have when threads like this one and other threads like it are started on this site. "Most" "All" "The vast majority" on and on it goes. How many hs coaches did you play for? How many hs coaches have you personally worked with? I dont have a problem with someone coming on here if they choose to and saying "The High School coach" "A High School coach." But really how many High School coaches do kids play for? How much contact do parents have with High School coaches outside of the one coach their son plays for?
I have had hundreds of parents of players. I have had hundreds of players play for me. If I had a bad experience with a parent would I say "All parents of players ____________?" No. Because that would not be fair to all the other great parents I have met and got to know over the years. I know many HS coaches. I have worked and worked with many HS coaches over the years. The vast majority are great guys who love the game and want to help their players. And they want to win and learn as much as they can so they can win more.
We have thread after thread started by a parent who is upset that their son is not doing what they think he should and getting what they think he should get and its always because of the HS caoch. How about taking some personal responsibility for your baseball? How many months a year do you have to do that? Nine out of 12? How many years did you have to do that before you got to HS. 14 or 15 years? If your not a player its not because of some HS coach. Its because you either dont have enough talent to be a player. Or you believe that its someone else's responsibility to make you or make your son a player. Why would you leave it in someone else's hands? If its that important to you take some freaking personal responsibility in your game and get off your butt and make it happen. Stop using the HS coach as a punching bag and an excuse for not being a player.
I have coached in HS for many years and the funny thing is everytime I play the other team the best players are in the line up facing me. And my best players are on the field as well. And the fact is every player that I have ever coached that excelled at the HS level and played in college and played pro ball ALL took personal responsibility for their baseball. They were the guys that were always looking for ways to get better. They were the guys always looking to work harder. They were the guys that never looked for excuses. They were the guys that overcame what ever they had to overcome.
I had limited pitching experience. I know the basics of pitching fundementals. Especially when I was coming up in the game as a coach. My guys bought in to what I was selling and worked their butts off. They sought out better coaching and I encouraged it in the off season. Many played in college , some got drafted and play in the Show. They did it. I couldnt stop them. And neither will your HS coach no matter how much of a clown he might be. How in the world did anyone succeed in this game before everyone became an expert at teaching this sport?
The blame game gets old. The excuse's run rampant in this game. Get off your butt and make yourself a player. Or keep looking for excuses and be ready because they will come to you in buckets. And be ready to carry them around with you and use them the rest of your life to explain why you didnt make it. "My son would have but his HS coach!" "I would have but my HS coach.!" Nice hold on to that one. I am sure your the first person to use it. Yeah right.
I have had hundreds of parents of players. I have had hundreds of players play for me. If I had a bad experience with a parent would I say "All parents of players ____________?" No. Because that would not be fair to all the other great parents I have met and got to know over the years. I know many HS coaches. I have worked and worked with many HS coaches over the years. The vast majority are great guys who love the game and want to help their players. And they want to win and learn as much as they can so they can win more.
We have thread after thread started by a parent who is upset that their son is not doing what they think he should and getting what they think he should get and its always because of the HS caoch. How about taking some personal responsibility for your baseball? How many months a year do you have to do that? Nine out of 12? How many years did you have to do that before you got to HS. 14 or 15 years? If your not a player its not because of some HS coach. Its because you either dont have enough talent to be a player. Or you believe that its someone else's responsibility to make you or make your son a player. Why would you leave it in someone else's hands? If its that important to you take some freaking personal responsibility in your game and get off your butt and make it happen. Stop using the HS coach as a punching bag and an excuse for not being a player.
I have coached in HS for many years and the funny thing is everytime I play the other team the best players are in the line up facing me. And my best players are on the field as well. And the fact is every player that I have ever coached that excelled at the HS level and played in college and played pro ball ALL took personal responsibility for their baseball. They were the guys that were always looking for ways to get better. They were the guys always looking to work harder. They were the guys that never looked for excuses. They were the guys that overcame what ever they had to overcome.
I had limited pitching experience. I know the basics of pitching fundementals. Especially when I was coming up in the game as a coach. My guys bought in to what I was selling and worked their butts off. They sought out better coaching and I encouraged it in the off season. Many played in college , some got drafted and play in the Show. They did it. I couldnt stop them. And neither will your HS coach no matter how much of a clown he might be. How in the world did anyone succeed in this game before everyone became an expert at teaching this sport?
The blame game gets old. The excuse's run rampant in this game. Get off your butt and make yourself a player. Or keep looking for excuses and be ready because they will come to you in buckets. And be ready to carry them around with you and use them the rest of your life to explain why you didnt make it. "My son would have but his HS coach!" "I would have but my HS coach.!" Nice hold on to that one. I am sure your the first person to use it. Yeah right.
Very true Coach May, I knew you'd have more to say after The Academy post...BUT how in the heck did you put those thoughts down so quickly? 
Coach May,
I think it is now called: "My Baseball Coach Sucks:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGaU0MjQFAo
I think it is now called: "My Baseball Coach Sucks:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGaU0MjQFAo
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I also agree, there are some pretty bad instuctors out there, taking money from people they have no business taking it from.
Totally agree. In fact, I have seen situations where the idea that the high school coach was "bad" was planted by the private instructor. "The coach isn't playing YOUR son? Ohmygosh, what an idiot he must be. Oh yeah, where's my check?"
Are all instructors like that? Of course not. I would say a majority are good guys with good instruction to offer. But I have seen bad ones, and I'm not going to generalize based on those few.
Yep seen it as well. In fact "Coach my son has been taking instruction from a former pro player and he says that Jimmy should be ________ and ___________ and your hurting his swing by teaching him ______________ and _____________. He also said in his mind Jimmy is the best hitter on the team and he doesn't understand why he is not in the line up." Well Mrs _____ how much did you have to pay him for him to tell you that? How many more lessons is he going to need with this instructor?
The kid couldnt hit a hog in the a s s with a bass fiddle. The Mom went on to tell me that the instructor was coming to the next game to watch bp so he could see who the other kids were that were on the team that could out hit Jimmy. "Well tell him to stop by and say hello after the game. I would love to meet him."
The kid transferred and was cut the next year from the local HS team which we routinely run rule. To this day the Mom tells everyone in our small town how the HS coach ruined her sons chance of playing at NC State. Oh did I just bust on a parent? My bad.
The sad thing is I really felt like if I could have had a couple of years with the kid and he had bought in he could have been a decent hs hitter. I guess I should have charged him some lessons. Oh did I just bust on a private instructor? My bad.
There are good and bad in everything. But its always going to fall on the players shoulders. For some thats just too much to ask for.
By the way bsbl247 I have them on file. Every year when this stuff rolls around I just pull them back up.
The kid couldnt hit a hog in the a s s with a bass fiddle. The Mom went on to tell me that the instructor was coming to the next game to watch bp so he could see who the other kids were that were on the team that could out hit Jimmy. "Well tell him to stop by and say hello after the game. I would love to meet him."
The kid transferred and was cut the next year from the local HS team which we routinely run rule. To this day the Mom tells everyone in our small town how the HS coach ruined her sons chance of playing at NC State. Oh did I just bust on a parent? My bad.
The sad thing is I really felt like if I could have had a couple of years with the kid and he had bought in he could have been a decent hs hitter. I guess I should have charged him some lessons. Oh did I just bust on a private instructor? My bad.
There are good and bad in everything. But its always going to fall on the players shoulders. For some thats just too much to ask for.
By the way bsbl247 I have them on file. Every year when this stuff rolls around I just pull them back up.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
By the way bsbl247 I have them on file. Every year when this stuff rolls around I just pull them back up.
That is way too funny. Really funny.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
The sad thing is I really felt like if I could have had a couple of years with the kid...
Yes, the sad thing is kids get caught in the middle of these things.
quote:My High School coaches had me teaching the pitchers about mechanics when I played for them. I guess that's where it all started for me
I played for two great coaches in high school. And I was actually teaching the game my junior and senior year. I wasn't a stud player, but I know the game of baseball and knew it then just as much as I do now. After my freshman year of college, I was back coaching at my high school during the summer season. My varsity coach offered me a coaching job at the end of my senior year.
So what?
Bulldog,
I'm guessing you know more now than you did then.
I'm guessing you know more now than you did then.
I haven't had time to read the whole thread. I've said this before (many times) and I'll say it again (with a slight addition)...
(Tied with Coach May
), I truly believe that my son has THE BEST high school coach (and staff) in America. I mean it 120% and I count my lucky stars about it over and over.
Given all of the negative threads on here about HS baseball and coaches, I just believe I need to say that whenever I get the opportunity. I gotta believe there are more than just two! Lets hear about 'em more often.
(Tied with Coach May
), I truly believe that my son has THE BEST high school coach (and staff) in America. I mean it 120% and I count my lucky stars about it over and over.Given all of the negative threads on here about HS baseball and coaches, I just believe I need to say that whenever I get the opportunity. I gotta believe there are more than just two! Lets hear about 'em more often.
I got to thinking about this thread last night and came to this thought. Between the ages of 14 and 21 my older son had no less than 15 head coaches, 8 pitching coaches and 2 roving pitching instructors. Why all the consternation about a high school coach. Teach Junior to be flexible, adaptable and coachable if you really want to teach them something they can use.
By the way my younger son who is a HS junior has had 3 head coaches in high school already and three different summer coaches. It is the way it is either adapt, evolve or perish.
By the way my younger son who is a HS junior has had 3 head coaches in high school already and three different summer coaches. It is the way it is either adapt, evolve or perish.
quote:Originally posted by deldad:
I got to thinking about this thread last night and came to this thought. Between the ages of 14 and 21 my older son had no less than 15 head coaches, 8 pitching coaches and 2 roving pitching instructors. Why all the consternation about a high school coach. Teach Junior to be flexible, adaptable and coachable if you really want to teach them something they can use.
By the way my younger son who is a HS junior has had 3 head coaches in high school already and three different summer coaches. It is the way it is either adapt, evolve or perish.
Tremendous post. One of the best I've read here in the past few months.
I agree that deldad's post is excellent.
Coach May is saying the same thing: Stop making excuses and take responsiblity for yourself. If your not getting playing time it's more about your ability at that time than it is about the coach. It's always easier to blame someone else for your failures than to look in the mirror and see what the real problem is.
Coach May is saying the same thing: Stop making excuses and take responsiblity for yourself. If your not getting playing time it's more about your ability at that time than it is about the coach. It's always easier to blame someone else for your failures than to look in the mirror and see what the real problem is.
I agree that the large majority of kids (parents) complaining about playing time are not realistic in their kids' abilities. However, there are definitely times when kids get a raw deal and the coach is not playing them due to politics, philosophy or some other personal reason. I have seen this first hand on 3 different occasions (and no, I'm not talking about my kid).
2013 Dad the question is not wether or not there are politics in baseball but when will you encounter them. Are there politics at your job? When I scored the highest score on a written test and highest score on the oral review board in 1987 an was denied a promotion because I was not a minority I had two choices. I could whine and cry and sulk or I could continue to bust my butt and do my job the best I could because that's who I really was. Thats what I did. And thats what I teach my kids and my players.
When you encounter politics you have choices to make. And they are no different in baseball than they are in the game of life. You can either use them as an excuse on why you couldn't. Or you can continue to be who you are to overcome those obstacles. It may not come when you want it to. It may not come in the way you imagined it would come. But it will come.
Baseball just like life sometimes is not fair. So what? What really is? Is it fair that a kid is given something by someone and does not have to earn it only to fail later in the game because when he has to earn it he does not know how? Is that fair to that kid? Is if fair that the kid who has had to earn everything he has ever gotten in the game and has had to learn how to overcome obstacles along the way does indeed succeed later in the game when everyone has to earn it? Or succeeds later in life because of the lessons learning in the game?
I see obstacles and roadblocks in the game and life as blessings. They are the fire that forges the steel. Bring it on. I will beat you. I will overcome it. I will be tougher than you when it really counts. I will know I earned it. You will be looking over your shoulder wondering when I am going to show up and kick your butt. Because you will know in your heart you dont deserve it. And I will know it my heart my time is coming.
Forget the politics and focus on what you can control. You can find a million excuses and ways to fail. Just look around you everyday and do what so many others are doing. Coaches want tough kids. They want players they can not break. They want players that refuse to give in. F politics. They are no more than a pothole in the road that you simply drive over on your way to winning. Or they are the excuse you use when you lose. You make the choice. No one else can do that. Unless you let them.
When you encounter politics you have choices to make. And they are no different in baseball than they are in the game of life. You can either use them as an excuse on why you couldn't. Or you can continue to be who you are to overcome those obstacles. It may not come when you want it to. It may not come in the way you imagined it would come. But it will come.
Baseball just like life sometimes is not fair. So what? What really is? Is it fair that a kid is given something by someone and does not have to earn it only to fail later in the game because when he has to earn it he does not know how? Is that fair to that kid? Is if fair that the kid who has had to earn everything he has ever gotten in the game and has had to learn how to overcome obstacles along the way does indeed succeed later in the game when everyone has to earn it? Or succeeds later in life because of the lessons learning in the game?
I see obstacles and roadblocks in the game and life as blessings. They are the fire that forges the steel. Bring it on. I will beat you. I will overcome it. I will be tougher than you when it really counts. I will know I earned it. You will be looking over your shoulder wondering when I am going to show up and kick your butt. Because you will know in your heart you dont deserve it. And I will know it my heart my time is coming.
Forget the politics and focus on what you can control. You can find a million excuses and ways to fail. Just look around you everyday and do what so many others are doing. Coaches want tough kids. They want players they can not break. They want players that refuse to give in. F politics. They are no more than a pothole in the road that you simply drive over on your way to winning. Or they are the excuse you use when you lose. You make the choice. No one else can do that. Unless you let them.
quote:However, there are definitely times when kids get a raw deal and the coach is not playing them due to politics, philosophy or some other personal reason. I have seen this first hand on 3 different occasions (and no, I'm not talking about my kid).
Yes, it happens.
The reality though is it also happens in college and it might be even more prominent in Milb.
In Milb, there are plenty of players who perform and produce nearly every time they get an opportunity. However, they are "stuck" behind a higher round draft pick or free agent in whom the organization has an investment of $$$$$.
After they think they have proven themselves with a very good season, the player arrives the following February at ST to find he is back down on the depth chart... and the team brought in more players above and below him.
Baseball is life. It can be filled with perceived flaws and faults.
If the player loves the game, he pursues it with a passion. He arrives early, stays late, does everything he is asked and more and outworks every player on that team, no matter what the level of play. He can control his effort and quality of play.
No player or parent can control "politics." No one becomes a better player because their parent complained about the "politics." Eventually, if you have passion, heart and can play the game, even politics can be overcome.
Another beautiful post by Coach May!