what if????

The PU says nothing. If its dead, its dead - this is treated similar to a checkswing appeal. You dont reverse that call, or even attempt to - once the BU kills the play, it is not resurrected.

Now, any 'discussion' is between the BU and the coaches...its his call now.

Thanks

yes, this is something that should be handled in pregame with the crew...sounds as if they were not in sync...

If my BU kills a play.......thats the call....I may have seen it differently from my angle, and I may let my partner know (discreetly) I have some thoughts, but we are sticking with his call.......if he asks me for my take, and get this .....I will offer information ONLY if asked..... then I will and then the BU can stick with or amend his call at his discretion.....

The only way you would know I had seen it differently is if you would be in our postgame talk while we are changing after the game.....

piaa-ump, if the call were to be corrected, what would be decided? I would think that the fact that the play was called dead means no one could advance and the runners would be awarded one base from the time of the pitch only; due to the fact that the defense stopped play when the ball was called dead. Is that correct?

If the ball hit the batter after contact w the bat, its a foul ball, so there's no base award to consider. In rereading the OP its not clear if that is the sit or if the pitch hit the batter before the bat struck it (in which case it may be a base award). I was reading it as a foul ball, but maybe the OP has a different implication.

The key here is that theres nothing to correct. The PU is out of line to reverse this call by the BU. The ball is dead in either case I listed in the first paragraph, so the play is immediately killed, no one advances as part of live action. Now, its a matter of whether the B-R goes to 1st base as a base award, or if its a foul ball and he bats again.

To clarify, the runner at 1st base was the one that the BU said the ball hit, not the batter.

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Originally posted by cccsdad:
To clarify, the runner at 1st base was the one that the BU said the ball hit, not the batter.

By the Hammer of Thor, I misread that one! I thought the batter-runner was hit!

Well, fortunately for me, my earlier posts still hold water This is now REALLY not the PUs call (BU is in "B", he owns the runner at 1st): dead ball, runner out, other runner returns to base occupied at TOP, lets play ball.

You can't "un-dead" a dead-ball call, because there's no systematic way to predict how the play might have developed otherwise.

thanks Lone

Thanks Lon,
That was my thinking exactly. You can't change a dead ball call.

Dead is dead. Thats why they called it a dead ball. If not they would have named it something else.

I agree with everyone else. The play is made by the BU so it's his all the way. Once he killed it it has to stay dead. You wind up with R1 out and BR at first. The PU needs to stay out of it unless asked. I doubt I would change it even if I asked my PU and he had something else. My response to a questioning coach would be that it was my call and I was keeping it. I wouldn't ask my partner because nothing good could come from it.
Now there are times the BU may miss a hit runner and the PU makes that call but not the other way around.

From boyinr:

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Dead is dead. Thats why they called it a dead ball. If not they would have named it something else.

Semi-comatose, perhaps?