What is the ruling?

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What should happen next.

I should pull what little hair I have left "out".

This should have been BU's call all the way, unless "he/she" asks for help.

Even if the whole world thinks they saw it trapped, BU hopefully isn't making up stuff and felt the catch was made OR he needed help FROM THE GET GO and should have asked.

I'll refer to fellow Umps but generally this type trap/catch call is not a joint venture, now a dive with a ball rolling out maybe. But man BU is what 20-25 feet away, he's gotta get that one or as I say, if he's totally straight lined and can't see the ball/glove, a back hand straigt away from him perhaps? If thats the case he's gotta go for help right away or rule "no catch" IMO.

So great question, what should happen now, well there is no good answer IMO, a couple choices I'm supposing,

1. correct the "errant call" and interject your thoughts on what you think may have been the outcome,(ughh).. sounds like they decided to just take the result of the play with no catch, force of R1 @ 2B.

I'm sure the D was real pleased with that (not).

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Originally posted by OA5II:
Runners on 1st and 2nd, with one out. a line drive is hit to the SS, who traps the ball. As he turns to throw to the 3rd the field umpire calls it a catch, so the SS turns and doubles up the runner at 2nd for the third out.

As the team leaves the field the batting coach asks for an appeal to the home plate umpire. Field umpire agrees and the home plate umpire says it was a trap and not a catch.

What should happen next.

The BU should be kicked in the groin for agreeing to "get help." And the PU should be bannished to T-Ball games for agreeing to give help.

I agree with Jimmy. There is no way you can ask for help on a catch/no catch with multiple runners. there is no way to get anything right or fix it.

We heard them discussing with the coaches after one coach filed a protest. the umpire said that they screwed up and had to assume the runner was going to third. the coach then said why can't you assume we were going to turn a double play.

Yeah, I felt bad for all involved.

Here is another example of having a good pregame with your brother umpire. BU has the call and I back him 100% PERIOD

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There is no way you can ask for help on a catch/no catch with multiple runners. there is no way to get anything right or fix it.

Ok so how about this one... runner on 1st with nobody out. Ball hit to 3rd baseman who catches it near the ground, he gets up and throws it across to first. BU calls "out" when the ball gets to 1st and then calls it a "catch."

Now what?...

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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There is no way you can ask for help on a catch/no catch with multiple runners. there is no way to get anything right or fix it.

Ok so how about this one... runner on 1st with nobody out. Ball hit to 3rd baseman who catches it near the ground, he gets up and throws it across to first. BU calls "out" when the ball gets to 1st and then calls it a "catch."

Now what?...

Day game or night game?

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Day game or night game?

Day game.... so does the PU have the ability to challenge the call made by the BU?

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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Day game or night game?

Day game.... so does the PU have the ability to challenge the call made by the BU?

Okay, let's pretend this third world scenario actually happened.

Why would the PU want to grab the sh!tty end of that stick? What possibly could be the motivation?

Unless F5 was moving towards the foul line at the time of the catch, the call belongs to BU as does the play at first.

PU has no business inserting himself into either call.

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let's pretend this third world scenario actually happened.

Let's not pretend.. it did happen today in a college game. I am not aware of the base coach making an appeal. But the umps met right in front of the mound for 2 or 3 minutes before reversing the "catch" call. Then the PU explained the decision to the 3rd base coach while the BU got to go explain it to the defense's manager. That one got a little heated because he was obviously not happy.

My school's team got the call on this one, but here's what I thought about it. For one, this thread immediately came to mind . The call could have gone either way with the initial catch. The problem I had initially was that the BU didn't make the "out" call there until there was nothing the offense could have done about it. The catcher (running down the line backing up first) pointed at the 3rd basemen at the end of the play and the BU called it a catch.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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let's pretend this third world scenario actually happened.

Let's not pretend.. it did happen today in a college game. I am not aware of the base coach making an appeal. But the umps met right in front of the mound for 2 or 3 minutes before reversing the "catch" call. Then the PU explained the decision to the 3rd base coach while the BU got to go explain it to the defense's manager. That one got a little heated because he was obviously not happy.

My school's team got the call on this one, but here's what I thought about it. For one, this thread immediately came to mind . The call could have gone either way with the initial catch. The problem I had initially was that the BU didn't make the "out" call there until there was nothing the offense could have done about it. The catcher (running down the line backing up first) pointed at the 3rd basemen at the end of the play and the BU called it a catch.

I am constantly amazed as what passes for "college" umpires in various areas. That BU would not work another game in my area.

What level college game was this? Do you know where I can see the box score?

http://gosoutheast.cstv.com/sp...008-2009/semo35.html

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
http://gosoutheast.cstv.com/sp...008-2009/semo35.html

Amazing. A division II school should have better umpires available.

That error is more than a brain ffart. That is unforgiveable at that level. I'm impressed there weren't three or four ejections. The skippers must have handled themselves more professionally than Mr. Lutz.

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Amazing. A division II school should have better umpires available.

Division One. SEMO plays in the Ohio Valley Conference; Southern Illinois-Edwardsville is a 1st-year DI program joining the OVC.

It was definitely interesting. The fans were requesting that the PU request help on his strike zone the rest of the day.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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Amazing. A division II school should have better umpires available.

Division One.

Sorry. When I did a search on Southeast Missouri State this site came up indicating they were NCAA div. ii


http://www.greatplainshockey.c...am.php?team_id=52660

That's club roller hockey. SEMO is DI in all their NCAA sports and DI-AA in football. Now, it seems like they operate on a DII or lower budget, but that's a whole other story..

Jimmy03,

Just a FYI....

This NCAA link will let you see which division and conference any school plays in, for a particular sport.

So I selected baeball, all divisions, and then used my browser search function on "Southeast Missouri".

Here's the correesponding entry:
Southeast Missouri State University --- Ohio Valley Conference --- I --- MO ---- Mideast Region

The school name and conference name are linked to the appropriate websites, which is convenient.

I find it to be pretty useful, and it is likely accurate....