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Originally Posted by Stats4Gnats:

Originally Posted by jp24:

At the risk of making Stats pull his hair out, my answer six years ago, and today, is:

 

I wish the heck I knew. But I know one when I see one ... and I know one when I hear one.

 

Why would I pull my hair out because you can’t quantify what you believe? That’s not my problem.

Just kidding, Stats. 

Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:

       
Originally Posted by jolietboy:
Caco, I have Zero understanding of why a coach would not want to use a radar gun.  Not my kind of coach thats for sure.

Well ASMI would tend to agree with him...they have 9 guidelines for youth baseball pitchers and #7 is Avoid using radar guns.  Our coach will not allow one on the field....if you want to radar your kids pitching, or whatever, you have to do it during your own time.

 

I suspect what you say about the swing getting slower for the slower pitchers is dead on.  I have seen him swing faster at the truly fast balls, and I have seen a sub 50mph kid rule the mound because kids either couldn't hit the slow moving balls or they had piddly little hits to the infield.

 

 


       
Don't also forget the slower pitches are coming in a steeper angle making contact area smaller.  Timing has to be better.  Sometimes can overwhelm a 12 or 13 yr old hitter but after that the slowballers are done.  And really even at that age most kids still drill the slow throwers.  Don't know what the AMSI is and don't really care.  American Medical Sports Institute?  Good guess?  When they can show me specific data DIRECTLY linking radar guns to arm injuries I will join their crusade.  When I was a kid we threw the ball as hard as we could.  Nothing better than striking out the sides and better if they were swinging.  Then it was the pop of the mitt instead of a radar gun.  We didn't think about injury we just threw as hard as we humanly could.  Why are there so many more surgeries now?  Cause we can!  Maybe Mark the bird fidrych would have been a hall of famer if he played today.  Wally Bunker and countless others you have never heard of cause their arm got hurt and they were never heard from. How do we even know injuries are on the rise?  If a cure for cancer is invented and the number of cures skyrocket does it mean cancer is skyrocketing?  The radar gun is a tool.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I will not leave home without it!

Wile I agree with most everything Doc Andrews has to say, I'm with jolietboy on the radar gun.

 

Does anyone really believe that back in the days before the radar gun kids didnz''t try to throw as hard as they could?  When the scouts came to look at Bob Feller do you think he tried to show off his arm?  Would he somehow have thrown harder if they had a radar gun back then?

 

Someone could say the fascination (or importance) of velocity is an issue.  But the only way a radar gun is going to hurt a pitcher is if you hit him with it.  Other than that it doesn't do anything except measure velocity.  Pitchers will throw hard with it or without it Because velocity is important. The radar gun simply gives information, pitchers can't throw it any harder than what they are capable of.  And since the beginning of time pitchers have been throwing baseballs as hard as they're capable of.

 

that is the way I see it anyway.

 

 

True Story of a good hitter.

In 1978, I was invited by Dick Case, Director of USA Baseball to observe the International Tournament in Ohio. My stop over was Columbus, Ohio to visit Marshall Brant who was playing 1b for Columbus [Triple A].

 

Columbus played Rochester that day and I was told to closely watch the #3 hitter.

His 1st AB, He watched the first pitch inside corner "Strike one", the 2nd pitch a slider on the outside corner - "Strike two" and again the 3rd pitch inside "Strike three".

He never took the bat off his shoulder.

 

The second time AB, he drilled the slider and "handcuffed" the right fielder.

The third time AB, he hit the inside pitch 9 miles over the LF wall.

 

This hitter was "gathering information". His name - CAL RIPKEN.

 

WHAT IS THE ROLE OF A HITTER? See the ball.

 

Bob

 

 

Originally Posted by jolietboy:
Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:

       
  The higher the bat speed obviously the quicker the reaction time. 

I would be a little careful.  Bat speed/exit velocity and quickness are not necessarily directly correlated. 

 

I could have a "long" swing which off the tee creates excellent exit velocity.  But it isn't quick/short enough to hit a good fastball. 

 

 

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