What MLB teams do a good job of drafting and developing from within their organization?
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Historically....Twins and Cardinals are pretty good at this. Braves for awhile but a bit more hit or miss.
During their existence, the Expos were as good as anybody in spotting/developing talent. Why they never won the NL pennant suprised alot of people in baseball.
My vote overall would be the Twins at 1A with the Cardinals 1B over the past 20 years.
During their existence, the Expos were as good as anybody in spotting/developing talent. Why they never won the NL pennant suprised alot of people in baseball.
My vote overall would be the Twins at 1A with the Cardinals 1B over the past 20 years.
Good question.
I'll give some that come to mind...
The Marlins may be at the top of the heap. They continue to astonish me how they get good, tear down, re-build, etc....
I think the Red Sox have become very good at it. Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkalis, Lester, Papplebon, and so forth.
I think the Yankees are very good at picking talent but not so good in developing it for the obvious reason that they have to trade some of it away for veterens who can produce today.
I think the Tigers also know how to pick players but have made some questionable trades in the past few years imho... (e.g., miller and maybin).
I'll give some that come to mind...
The Marlins may be at the top of the heap. They continue to astonish me how they get good, tear down, re-build, etc....
I think the Red Sox have become very good at it. Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkalis, Lester, Papplebon, and so forth.
I think the Yankees are very good at picking talent but not so good in developing it for the obvious reason that they have to trade some of it away for veterens who can produce today.
I think the Tigers also know how to pick players but have made some questionable trades in the past few years imho... (e.g., miller and maybin).
None of them and all of them.
Evidence is pretty anecdotal, because there are so many factors. The player has to be good enough and sturdy enough to hang in there from the time he is signed. Remember that every team will have 5-6 minor league clubs with full rosters vying for spots on the big club which is populated with guys who keep their jobs any where from one to twenty years. Stats are that 5% of MiLB players will see a day of MLB ball; 3% will have a career of at least one season.
FWIW, I've yet to hear any MiLB player or parent rave about the medical care for their injured sons.
And coaching can vary even within the organization --- those 5-6 teams will each have their own coaching staff, although positions are monitored by travelling position coordinators.
In general (and IMHO), chances are better with the low-budget clubs who need to grow from within. The clubs with the top payrolls have those payrolls because they tend to buy in Big Name Vets...which means their farm system isn't being tapped.
But it's all much of a muchness, because as one young MiLB pitcher told me "you can't control who drafts you".
Evidence is pretty anecdotal, because there are so many factors. The player has to be good enough and sturdy enough to hang in there from the time he is signed. Remember that every team will have 5-6 minor league clubs with full rosters vying for spots on the big club which is populated with guys who keep their jobs any where from one to twenty years. Stats are that 5% of MiLB players will see a day of MLB ball; 3% will have a career of at least one season.
FWIW, I've yet to hear any MiLB player or parent rave about the medical care for their injured sons.
And coaching can vary even within the organization --- those 5-6 teams will each have their own coaching staff, although positions are monitored by travelling position coordinators.
In general (and IMHO), chances are better with the low-budget clubs who need to grow from within. The clubs with the top payrolls have those payrolls because they tend to buy in Big Name Vets...which means their farm system isn't being tapped.
But it's all much of a muchness, because as one young MiLB pitcher told me "you can't control who drafts you".
quote:Originally posted by Orlando:
In general (and IMHO), chances are better with the low-budget clubs who need to grow from within. The clubs with the top payrolls have those payrolls because they tend to buy in Big Name Vets...which means their farm system isn't being tapped.
I couldn't agree with you more. The Tampa Bay Rays aren't bad either.
I think what you have to do is look at who spends what and where they get to pick.
For example, if teams develop and produce MLB players who were not considered at the very top in their draft class (whatever that means to you) they are the ones who do it best.
The Rays have had the advantage of picking the top players in the country for years, they should turn out MLB players. Teams that get early picks and have not produced MLB within a certain time period don't do it right. You can figure that out who for yourselves.
Some teams pick more college than HS players, some teams move players up faster than others, depending on philosophy. There has always been issues with players who move up getting reinstructed (you learned it his way now do it my way), but most teams follow through now with roving instructors and gurus to keep things consistant. Some teams will make one go through each level and just fill with FA to fill gaps while others believe you learn better by moving up quicker. HS drafted players move slower than college players, unless they are #1 picks and needed. Porcello is not a good example for the Tigers, he needs lots of work, but he also was on the 40 man roster and they needed a pitcher. He'll go up and down and it's no more cost to them where ever he is. He's gonna be a great pitcher someday.
In general, most teams won't move you up to the MLB level until they have to or due to injury, you get lucky.
But I go with the Marlins and who is out there playing on other teams that they drafted. Also they take players who have hung around other clubs for years, as CD said, break them up and start all over. Cody Ross is a good example.
For example, if teams develop and produce MLB players who were not considered at the very top in their draft class (whatever that means to you) they are the ones who do it best.
The Rays have had the advantage of picking the top players in the country for years, they should turn out MLB players. Teams that get early picks and have not produced MLB within a certain time period don't do it right. You can figure that out who for yourselves.
Some teams pick more college than HS players, some teams move players up faster than others, depending on philosophy. There has always been issues with players who move up getting reinstructed (you learned it his way now do it my way), but most teams follow through now with roving instructors and gurus to keep things consistant. Some teams will make one go through each level and just fill with FA to fill gaps while others believe you learn better by moving up quicker. HS drafted players move slower than college players, unless they are #1 picks and needed. Porcello is not a good example for the Tigers, he needs lots of work, but he also was on the 40 man roster and they needed a pitcher. He'll go up and down and it's no more cost to them where ever he is. He's gonna be a great pitcher someday.
In general, most teams won't move you up to the MLB level until they have to or due to injury, you get lucky.
But I go with the Marlins and who is out there playing on other teams that they drafted. Also they take players who have hung around other clubs for years, as CD said, break them up and start all over. Cody Ross is a good example.
By comparison you would have virtually every MLB team on one end of the spectrum and the S.D Padres 10 million light years in the other direction.
It is not who does the best job of drafting who does the best job of developing--as TPM noted the Yankees continually trade them away while the Rays, the Red Sox, The Brewers, The Tigers to name a few take the time to develop them and try not to rush them up to the bigs
quote:I think the Yankees are very good at picking talent but not so good in developing it for the obvious reason that they have to trade some of it away for veterens who can produce today.
Reason Yankees trade away young talent is because of the business side of things. They can't afford to put no-name rookies with potential on the field with the money they charge and the demand to win now. It's not necessarily the best way to do it bacause the great Yankee teams of the late 90's were built from lousy teams in the early 90's with Steinbrenner under the 3 yr suspension, and the team stunk those years so they stiockpiled on young talent and had quite a few work out. Stick Michael, who's the best in the business on evaluating talent had the time while the Yanks floundered for three years and stockpile on first round draft picks. They won't get that window again. Especially with the new stadium.
quote:I think the Tigers also know how to pick players but have made some questionable trades in the past few years imho... (e.g., miller and maybin).
They got it right with Porcello though. This is a pitcher I wanted to see the Yankees get but Yanks don't draft low enough to get him. He has the stuff to become the ace of any pitching staff.
Tigers rushed Porcello up to the majors but it's apparent the kid has the makeup and stuff to pitch at the major league level and with a few breaks and Tigers pitchers dropping like flies in spring training, Porcello made the most of it and looks like he's not going back to single-A ball.
The only thing about the Yankees though is that Porcello probably would've had to wait a long time to make the bigs as a Yankee.
As for Tampa, I can't get all caught up in their success becase they've been so pathetic for 10 years that they had to be good at some point with all those #1 picks.
If a team can trade prospects for a proven major leaguer I'd say they are quality draft selections.
The Yankees have had an extremely poor record of drafting and developing regular players in this century as only Cano is a starter. Melky Cabrera is nothing more than a 4th outfielder who NY overvalued and has little trade value.
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