What scouts really look for?

COCO, ISN'T A SCOUT. Just in case you didn't already know that. But you guys played along very well.

Now you all know, maybe you don't, that there is NO such thing as a Double A scout.

There is however something called a pro scout who scouts only minor league games from AAA down to A ball. They scout for trades and rule 5 picks but do not scout HS and college players.

This was fun to read.

WOW VANCE!......YOU'RE MY IDOL! HOW DO YOU DO IT?

is that like American Idol? sweet. Lets start a new show the baseball idol!!

Vance34 your comment makes me chuckle. You really think you know what your talking about?

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Vance34 your comment makes me chuckle. You really think you know what your talking about?

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This is why i dont tell anyone what scouts really look for because people have a reck mantality. The reasons i left are accurate and true.

Enough said!

Vance34=CooCoo

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Originally posted by CoCo = Clutch:
Vance34 your comment makes me chuckle. You really think you know what your talking about?

Everyone is on to your bit. You're making a cartoon of yourself and it might just be better if you fade away.

sorry guys I'm not that guy. Why do my facts bother you guys? Truth hurt?

my bit? really. a cartoon? why do you say that. I haven;t done anything wrong. Does the truth hurt that bad

Sorry Vance, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to our head "scout".

You guys really dont get how hard it is to be a scout!! give the man a break!

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You guys really dont get how hard it is to be a scout!! give the man a break!

It's easy. Just go to Area Code and you will see everything you need.

Oh is that right? I know guys that are going there based on how hard they throw and what their name is. That's rediculous! Don't be silly Guthrie~!

Yeah, Area Code has studs. I think the true grit or the "nails in the clutch" needs to be viewed in big games or witnessed in the playoffs. IF you can throw 95-96 and put on a good show in Area Codes you will be watched. If I was a scout, I would want to see what the kid does during a crunch time. Does he handle the pressure? Can he throw strikes? 95-96 is truly amazing but if not thrown for stikes its worthless.

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Can he throw strikes? 95-96 is truly amazing but if not thrown for stikes its worthless.

Tell that to the third round pick last year who signed for $500,000.

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Tell that to the third round pick last year who signed for $500,000.

Speaking of that.If you sign for $500,000 and you last 6 years in Milb because you couldnt find the strike zone was it worth it? Just curious of your opinion.

Knowing my son, if he lasted 6 years in the Milb it would definitely be worth it. The $500K would be icing on the cake.

I have a hard time believing someone could last 6 years without throwing strikes, no matter how hard they threw.

Don't mean to argue but right or wrong, IMHO, velocity is the first tie-breaker, lol.

Velocity may be the tiebreaker, however, that pitcher will still have to learn how to pitch. How many major league starters actually throw a 95-96 MPH fastball? My guess is, not as many as people think....

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however, that pitcher will still have to learn how to pitch.

That is why they have the minor leagues.

If anyone thinks there are scouts out there that scout for a particular farm club... you are drinking too much or do not know enough about the scouting process...

and not many pitchers pitch at 95... and you don't need to... Maddux hasn't touched 90 in a game in 5 years (but in his bullpens he will hit 92-93) and he says he doesn't need to hit 93 in a game. The key is change of speeds.

Every 5mph is equal to a reaction time distance of 3 feet in the balls path - huge.

Besides everyone in the bigs can hit a ball that is traveling 95.

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have a hard time believing someone could last 6 years without throwing strikes, no matter how hard they threw

Ok maybe I need to clarify better. When I mean no strikes, I mean not consistent with strikes. Not being able to get the big strikes to control the game. Now the next question, if you spend 500k on a kid how long do you let him play? IMO, I drop 500k he can go years before I quit on him or maybe see if I can transform him into relief or a closer.

I agree with the above posts. This pitcher will half to learn to pitch. His veloicty may have gotten him the signing bonus but he will have to develop. 96-97 wont help him without a 2nd pitch to mix speeds. Any .150 major leaguer can hit a fastball if thats all he is seeing :P

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Maddux hasn't touched 90 in a game in 5 years (but in his bullpens he will hit 92-93) and he says he doesn't need to hit 93 in a game. The key is change of speeds.

That guy is just a master of the game. He is very precise and he moves the strike zone. lol We hated him here in Houston. Just made Stros look silly.

So here's the big question. Which would you rather have/be? The guy who throws 95+ but struggles with accuracy and can't develop another pitch or two, or the guy who throws 85-maybe 90 but has 4-5 pitches he can throw whenever, wherever? I guess it's the difference between potential, and ability at that time.

note: both pitchers have the same build and any other "x-factor"

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So here's the big question. Which would you rather have/be? The guy who throws 95+ but struggles with accuracy and can't develop another pitch or two, or the guy who throws 85-maybe 90 but has 4-5 pitches he can throw whenever, wherever? I guess it's the difference between potential, and ability at that time.

note: both pitchers have the same build and any other "x-factor"

I'm not a scout (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in CA) but the first pitcher is going to get every opportunity to succeed and will be a top 5 round draft pick. The second pitcher may or may not even get drafted. BTW, my son is in the second pitcher category.

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I'm not a scout (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in CA)....

lol

FrankF-
I'd sadly have to agree with you. Will there ever be a day when results matter more than potential? I'm not saying the 6ft 6in 94mph pitcher who can throw it in the ocean shouldn't get looked at---he should, but a proven winner with solid stuff should get a chance. I definately fall into the second category (I don't even throw that hard), and all I'm asking for is a chance. We (non-overdominating pitchers) need to prove it if/when we get the chance.

Coco

I get my bisquits at the grocery. I'm sure they have one in Montgomery. Just ask around.

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So here's the big question. Which would you rather have/be? The guy who throws 95+ but struggles with accuracy and can't develop another pitch or two, or the guy who throws 85-maybe 90 but has 4-5 pitches he can throw whenever, wherever? I guess it's the difference between potential, and ability at that time.

note: both pitchers have the same build and any other "x-factor"

I would rather be the 6'5" guy that throws 93, throws strikes, has a good change and nice breaking ball.

I think we all would.