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This is my first post, so please take it easy on me.   

 

My situation has nothing to do with my son at the present time, but rather with a pattern of behavior.  Ninety percent of my son's team have come up together as young as 4th grade through a legion program and now are playing their first season of high school ball.  Last year we got a newbie coach from the Midwest Nationals. The highest level he had coached was 6th grade.  Now he was coaching a summer program from 8th-9th grade.  He wasn't ready for it. He subscribed to the yell it down their throats way of coaching, with what bordered on verbal abuse.  There was one occasion where he wouldn't let the boys eat anything between games because he said they "didn't deserve it."  That comment was the first and ONLY time I've ever spoken to the coach about a negative matter. I refuse to be "that parent."  But my son is hypoglycemic. So I sent the coach a text the next day (because we never talk to the coach on game nights) and simply asked him if he had made that comment.  He never responded.  My kid was benched for the first game ever the next night. Of course, I can't say anything about it to any of the other coaching staff.  His message was received by me loud and clear.  I know how it works.  But a 13 year boys' health?  C'mon.

Some of his other tactics are to look at a kid and say, "well here comes another error."  Often, when we were down he would refuse to coach.  He'd tell them that if they weren't going to play, he wasn't going to coach, and would deliberately leave the third base box and go lean on the fence with his arms crossed.  Or just yell out to the field, "UNREAL!"  (That was his favorite word.) He'd stop calling signs, stop calling pitches, and even refuse to look at the boys when they'd come off the field.  Head down, shoulders hunched.... body language says a lot. And the basic mistakes were incredible to watch.  Since when do you throw behind a runner on a second-third double steal with one out?

 

Despite rookie coaching issues last year, we thought it was over, but lo and behold, he appears this year as the Frosh coach.  All is well over the summer and off-season workouts as the Varsity and JV coaches are all there to help rookie coach and work with the boys to bring them into the coaching philosophy of our program. We start the season optimistic as parents and begin 4-0. Rookie coach is doing okay, for awhile...  Now that the upper-level coaches are coaching their own teams, Frosh coach has degenerated back into old tactics.  This time, he has added personal grudges to the mix.  Still the same insults, the same verbal abuse and the same "give up" coaching technique, but now I think he's crossed the line once again.  

Last night one of our pitchers was up to bat.  We are deep in pitching - one of our program's strategies. We need them healthy.  First pitch is a ball. Second pitch is a fast ball inside, about at the player's chin.  Batter pulls his head back.  I hear the coach yell, 'Kid, you gotta roll with that.  Get ON BASE!'    Back in the dugout he told the boy, that he needed to take one for the team because the entire team knew he was the slowest on the team and had to get on base any way he could and he pulled him from the remainder of game one and all of game two.  Now, I'm all for the sometimes you gotta wear it philosophy.  That's part of the game.  But this was at a players face.   When is it crossing the line in making it personal and jeopardizing a player's safety for a base?  

Other parents have stirred the pot so to speak, with the administration. Emails, phone calls... you know the drill. I have not.  My Freshman son is one of the above-average players on the team (at least this year) and also plays JV on occasion and is excited about a possible future with college ball, but one of these days, sooner or later, it could be him again put in a safety situation. My kid has a great attitude and a passion for the game.  But how long do I stand by and watch this? My son isn't getting any better.  He's actually getting worse.  But if we pull him from the town's legion summer program and move him to a traveling team for the summer, he'll be penalized when he returns to school ball. There is no spark on this team anymore and the pattern for two years in a row tells me it's this one particular coach.  The other three are wonderful men with good coaching abilities and an approachable personality, yet previous pleas to them have fallen on deaf ears.  

What is a parent to do?  Do we have any options at all? Move out of the district? Tell my son to suck it up and it will be over in three years?  (This guy probably isn't going anywhere.)

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I would never let him play for him in the summer if there is another option.  You said he is not getting any better, in fact getting worse.  If that pattern continues you will not have to worry about your sons future in baseball sooner or later he will walk away from it.  If all of what you say is true, and you sound sincere, I would take the other summer team option and voice your concerns to administration.  At times there are viable reasons to voice concerns with out being "that parent".   If you choose to have your son play for him in the summer you are just empowering this coach even more as he will entrench himself into these tactics even more

Welcome to the site.

If your son continues on the path toward college ball, he will experience many coaches with a variety of personalities, strengths and weaknesses.  As he gets older, certainly some are likely to be old school in-your-face yellers.  If son is truly passionate about the game, he will learn how to play for different types of coaches without it having a negative effect on his desire and ability to play.  Less-than-ideal coaches are just one of the many challenges young players must overcome as they continue to progress up the ranks.  The motivation, determination and work ethic for an aspiring player must come largely from within.

 

You mentioned that there are three other coaches who are wonderful men with good abilities.  If your son focuses on the strengths they bring to the table, there is certainly no excuse for him to be getting worse instead of better.  He and his teammates should channel their energies from these guys to stay positive.

 

If the coach is as bad as you say, it is unlikely that he will continue to climb the coaching ladder up levels along with your son, so there will be no need to tell your son to "suck it up, it will be over in three years".  Sounds like there is a decent V/JV program in place.

 

From a safety standpoint, it would certainly be appropriate (critical, really) for your son to make sure coach is aware of his hypoglycemic condition.  Regarding the pitch "about at the player's chin" where the player was told to wear it...  obviously, a kid is not going to be expected to wear one to the head, even from the worst of coaches.  There had to be some other explanation for that.  Perhaps he saw it at his shoulder and not his head.  Whatever... not worth thinking too long over.  

 

No spark on the team?  Your son is one of the above-average players?  Great opportunity for him to step up and set the tone among the other players to raise the energy and raise the bar.  Ultimately, the players on the team have to decide they want to play hard and with fire, regardless of whether the coaching is good or bad. 

 

Remember, your son will pick up a lot from you.  If you are expressing disappointment in the coaching situation (warranted or not) instead of having him focus on positives and opportunities he will eventually do the same.

 

It will also make your life a lot more enjoyable if you tune out the problem issues (safety concerns aside) and just enjoy the boys playing ball.

 

There are tons of related threads on this site with great advice.  I think you'll find this site to be a great help.

 

 

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Personally - I would have my son play elsewhere during the summer and whatever retribution there is - so be it.

 

Realistically what he does during the summer is more important than what he does during his school season anyway.  If he isn't progressing as a player due to the coaching - it makes little sense to continue to expose him to that coaching when he has another option.

 

If he is good enough, he will play during the school year regardless of where he played during the summer. Unless you get into the rare situation where a coach would rather lose than put his best players on the field just to show he can.  If you are in that situation - well, you have my sympathies.

 

As for your son's health -  It's a jerk move to not let the players eat something between games.  Not to mention it's not really smart.  However, I'll go out on a limb and assume he didn't know of your son's condition - and your son wasn't willing to get himself in trouble by speaking up.  Now that he is aware, if something like that happened again, I as a parent would have a serious issue with it. I'd go right up the line from head coach to the school board if necessary. There's a big difference between being pissed off at a team, and possibly killing someone just to show how big of a man you are.

Originally Posted by Rob T:

       
Personally - I would have my son play elsewhere during the summer and whatever retribution there is - so be it.

Realistically what he does during the summer is more important than what he does during his school season anyway.  If he isn't progressing as a player due to the coaching - it makes little sense to continue to expose him to that coaching when he has another option.

If he is good enough, he will play during the school year regardless of where he played during the summer. Unless you get into the rare situation where a coach would rather lose than put his best players on the field just to show he can.  If you are in that situation - well, you have my sympathies.

As for your son's health -  It's a jerk move to not let the players eat something between games.  Not to mention it's not really smart.  However, I'll go out on a limb and assume he didn't know of your son's condition - and your son wasn't willing to get himself in trouble by speaking up.  Now that he is aware, if something like that happened again, I as a parent would have a serious issue with it. I'd go right up the line from head coach to the school board if necessary. There's a big difference between being pissed off at a team, and possibly killing someone just to show how big of a man you are.

       


The young man's personal information sheet, that is required read, filled out, and signed by player & parents, for the Head Coach, is something very standard. Therefore the Coach / Coaches should have already known of any health issues of their players. Usually have to sign a medical release form too.
So, that makes the over zealous Coach, who is trying to make some kind of name for himself, however misguided. ...makes his behavior that much worse.
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Update:

 

Summer ball is here!  Rookie coach was removed from coaching this team.  My son and another player has a chat with head of the program.  I don't know if that had anything to do with the decision, but changes were made.  The transformation was phenomenal!  They are actually being coached, respected, and motivated to do their best.

 

We played club teams in a tournament last weekend and lost the championship by one run.  Every one of the boys have improved their batting average and on-base percentage with this coach. That tells me a lot.  And although evil coach is still in the program, he is now an assistant only.  Hopefully he'll learn something from the more experienced coaches.

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It looks like everything worked out for the best. Good. I know the "sit and wait it out" approach is the hardest especially when it comes to coaching. But it was your friend it seems!

 

Man, this guy sounds like a real jerk. When I was in the Marines this guy would have gotten a special invitation to something we called a "Blanket party"! Very quickly!

 

No need to be making others miserable especially young boys if his own lift is out of control. At 50, one thing I have learned is that a lot of people have health issues that they aren't even cognizant about and it manifests itself through moods, personalities, communication, etc. Hopefully he will seek out some help if that is his issue.

 

Enjoy summer ball!

It's refreshing to hear that the players brought up the matter and not the moms and dads. Coming from a concerned player or group of players in a respectful way goes far and will make a better person out of the experience of learning to handle stuff on their own. As parents, you want to give them the tools to learn to handle themselves that will only benefit them down the road. Certainly, there are those times where a parent may need to have a sit down with a coach who is ignoring or disregarding a players medical issue but most on field type of stuff is best handled by the players and that they're all in it together.

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