I noticed there are more topics and posts. Thought statistically the topic should pass up defense on the website. Why is it lower?
By the way, just kidding and thanks for allowing this to be a topic area.
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Glad to see there are other folks out there with an interest in both Stats and Scorekeeping.
Do you regularly score for a team, and if so, do you keep the stats too?
Do you regularly score for a team, and if so, do you keep the stats too?
I keep them for my own use, the high school coaches usually don't want them and son hasn't played to much select/travel ball, but they tend to love it.
If it wasn't for my PDA and ScorePad, I probabily wouldn't have all of the stats I do.
I do have a request, coaches/boosters/somebody, post your rooster somewhere on the web, it sure helps us "automated" scorekeepers.
If it wasn't for my PDA and ScorePad, I probabily wouldn't have all of the stats I do.
I do have a request, coaches/boosters/somebody, post your rooster somewhere on the web, it sure helps us "automated" scorekeepers.
quote:Originally posted by obrady:
I keep them for my own use, the high school coaches usually don't want them and son hasn't played to much select/travel ball, but they tend to love it.
If it wasn't for my PDA and ScorePad, I probabily wouldn't have all of the stats I do.
I do have a request, coaches/boosters/somebody, post your rooster somewhere on the web, it sure helps us "automated" scorekeepers.
Here’s what I find generally happens with HS coaches, or at least the one’s I’ve scored for. Its not that they don’t want them, but over the years they’ve been: a) conditioned to accepting that SK’s for the most part, don’t do a very good job; b) conditioned to believe that most SKs have some kind of a personal agenda; c) know that the “normal” stats provided such as BA, ERA, etc., don’t really tell much of a story; d) don’t really understand how to analyze a bunch of different stats(no disrespect intended
); e) don’t have the time to really analyze the stats. Most travel/select coaches don’t have nearly the kind of schedules HS coaches have, especially ones that also teach, and they don’t normally play games and practice on the same kind of schedule, so they have lots more time to devote to looking at the numbers.
In general, when coaches learn to trust their SK, they become much more receptive to the stats. BBScout knows the coach I’m scoring for now, and this fellow has been a very successful coach for at least the past 15 years without having my stats to see. So far he’s been reluctant to do much with what I prove him, but times are slowly changing.
His last SK would take her numbers out of the book, then go home and do the “normal” stats, but give him the book, What he’d do was take it home and compare what was in the book with his notes from during the game. He’d check things like hits and errors, and correct the book if he had to. Well, after many years with the same SK, he learned to trust her, and she learned to score properly.
But with me, things are different. Its not that he thinks I’m doing a bad job, but he doesn’t have that trust yet. After each game I send him the line scores, offensive numbers, pitching numbers, and defensive numbers, and so far we’ve been exactly same. I also send him a copy of the scoresheets so he can check to his heart’s content what I’m doing.
He’s finally beginning to show more trust, and is finally looking much more at the different stats I do that he’s never had available before. And I’m not insulted one bit! I don’t mind proving myself at all. I’ve had to do it with pretty much every coach I’ve scored for over the last dozen years or so, so its just part of the job.
Although I do generate all kinds of stats, see www.infosports.net/scorekeeper batting, counts, pitching, and defense, it isn’t the actual number of different stats as much as the validity of keeping the book that makes them valuable.
Here in the land of fruits and nuts, most HS’s use MaxPreps to post scores, stats, schedules, etc.. Although schools may not post stats, they usually post schedules, rosters, and post game scores.
But that only works for HS’s! The Ca JUCOs have their own web site that does pretty much the same thing, and the 4 year schools all have stuff posted on their own sites. But there’s no clearinghouse for the thousands of kiddyball teams, or travel/select teams. As far as I know, ya gotta do a lot of huntin’ and peckin’!
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Just so you don't think I have a distaste for scorekeepers let me say this---my travel team once had a dad who offered to score for us--his son was a pitcher who went on to pitch at Columbia University--he made all other scorekeeprs I ever saw look sick--he could tell me the last pitch thrown either for us or against us--he notes up the gazoo---was of great value to us
Just so you don't think I have a distaste for scorekeepers let me say this---my travel team once had a dad who offered to score for us--his son was a pitcher who went on to pitch at Columbia University--he made all other scorekeeprs I ever saw look sick--he could tell me the last pitch thrown either for us or against us--he notes up the gazoo---was of great value to us
In high school we had a paid scorekeeper for season home games. We paid him $35 dollars a game for about 12-15 games. The only reason why he did this, was to assure that the game schedules and results were called into the newspaper the next day, with player highlights. He didn't trust a parent to do it. It was paid for by our booster club and it was something he had done for years.
He used these stats to recognize yearly leaders, and at the end of the year each parent was given info that included the usual ERA, SO, BA, HR's, doubles, etc. Basic stuff.
In summer travel ball, I am not sure who kept stats, or if anyone cared. We played a 56 game summer schedule (not including playoffs). The object was for coaches and scouts to see you, play against good competition. I don't think they (coaches or scouts) cared about stats.
In fact, in HS, not one college coach or scout ever asked for his HS stats or summer stats. As a pitcher, his velocity, how many pitches he threw for strikes and how many innings pitched per year were the only concerns. We had that info available as we were given it each year.
He used these stats to recognize yearly leaders, and at the end of the year each parent was given info that included the usual ERA, SO, BA, HR's, doubles, etc. Basic stuff.
In summer travel ball, I am not sure who kept stats, or if anyone cared. We played a 56 game summer schedule (not including playoffs). The object was for coaches and scouts to see you, play against good competition. I don't think they (coaches or scouts) cared about stats.
In fact, in HS, not one college coach or scout ever asked for his HS stats or summer stats. As a pitcher, his velocity, how many pitches he threw for strikes and how many innings pitched per year were the only concerns. We had that info available as we were given it each year.
TR,
I have never once assumed you had anything but respect for everyone willing to volunteer their time in any way to the benefit of kids.
In fact, it might surprise a lot of people to find out I honestly don’t blame anyone for looking at SK’s in general, shall we say, askance. The truth is, given the number of people who score games on any given day, it would be ludicrous to believe that at least a portion of them would be doing everyone a favor if they turned the book over to someone else. But it would also be unfair to say there weren’t also some pretty darn good ones.
The problem is, its much less obvious to everyone when there’s a bad one doin’ a game, and they can easily end up becoming fixtures that are hard to replace. Its not like an ump who’s out there in front of God and everyone else. The SK is off somewhere in a corner, and very often no one really cares or checks over their work.
Ya’ll may find it interesting that I occasionally communicate with a fellow who not only scores pro games for MLB.com, but also enters the data that the stats are derived from for some different minor league teams. You should hear him go on about some of those guys, and they’re one step from doing ML games!
I wasn’t surprised to hear that team SKs often do a little bit of scoresheet tweakin’ so the kid who some team gave a $5M signing bonus too doesn’t look like the player he really is, because it would embarrass someone higher up on the food chain. So if that stuff happens at that level, why is it so impossible to believe it’s happenin’ in “kiddyball” or HS ball? IOW, as a group, us SK’s suffer from a much deserved ‘IMAGE” problem.
But, as you noted, there are some darn good ones! I know I’m not the best, but I sure try harder than most, and I do take a lot of pride in my work. If I didn’t, I’d hang it up in a heartbeat!
I have never once assumed you had anything but respect for everyone willing to volunteer their time in any way to the benefit of kids.
In fact, it might surprise a lot of people to find out I honestly don’t blame anyone for looking at SK’s in general, shall we say, askance. The truth is, given the number of people who score games on any given day, it would be ludicrous to believe that at least a portion of them would be doing everyone a favor if they turned the book over to someone else. But it would also be unfair to say there weren’t also some pretty darn good ones.
The problem is, its much less obvious to everyone when there’s a bad one doin’ a game, and they can easily end up becoming fixtures that are hard to replace. Its not like an ump who’s out there in front of God and everyone else. The SK is off somewhere in a corner, and very often no one really cares or checks over their work.
Ya’ll may find it interesting that I occasionally communicate with a fellow who not only scores pro games for MLB.com, but also enters the data that the stats are derived from for some different minor league teams. You should hear him go on about some of those guys, and they’re one step from doing ML games!
I wasn’t surprised to hear that team SKs often do a little bit of scoresheet tweakin’ so the kid who some team gave a $5M signing bonus too doesn’t look like the player he really is, because it would embarrass someone higher up on the food chain. So if that stuff happens at that level, why is it so impossible to believe it’s happenin’ in “kiddyball” or HS ball? IOW, as a group, us SK’s suffer from a much deserved ‘IMAGE” problem.
But, as you noted, there are some darn good ones! I know I’m not the best, but I sure try harder than most, and I do take a lot of pride in my work. If I didn’t, I’d hang it up in a heartbeat!
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
In high school we had a paid scorekeeper for season home games. c We paid him $35 dollars a game for about 12-15 games.
Elizabeth! I think I’m havin’ the big one!
Last game I got a hotdog they couldn’t sell, but only after they made sure the umps were taken care of!
But to tell the truth, I’d feel funny taking pay for scoring for the HS the kids my neighbors and friends had would be going to. Don’t get me wrong though. If PGStaff offered me a job, he’d likely have to deal with my agent!
He used these stats to recognize yearly leaders, and at the end of the year each parent was given info that included the usual ERA, SO, BA, HR's, doubles, etc. Basic stuff.
ROTFLMAO!
Good for him, but I gotta tell ya, to me he was stealin’ ya’lls money!
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/Husky2004.doc was the school records.
I send the scores plus how each run scored, all the batter information for bothe teams, all the leading hitter information for both teams, along with the W/L records to 2 different papers after every game.
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/EYEs04.pdf is a newsletter I do after every game.
I get onto the site where all the area HS post the game results and get that updated after every game.
I send the coach the line scores, hitting, pitching, and defense after every game.
I send the coach pictures of the scoresheets for every game.
I produce the following stats after each game,
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/Batting.pdf Batting stats
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/pitching.pdf Pitching Stats
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/counts.pdf Detailed pitching information
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/defense.pdf Defensive stats
I show up an hour early for every game and have never taken more than 3 hours to get all this stuff done after a game, and I live at least 25 minutes away from our closest field. Never missed a game in 4 years at my boy’s school, and don’t plan on missing one here either.
In fact, in HS, not one college coach or scout ever asked for his HS stats or summer stats. As a pitcher, his velocity, how many pitches he threw for strikes and how many innings pitched per year were the only concerns. We had that info available as we were given it each year.
The reason is, they had every reason to believe those stats would be invalid, and that’s the shame of it.
The fact that you were satisfied with only those stats demonstrates how different everyone is. Its all good, but when people have a child who isn’t quite as gifted as yours, they enjoy those little things because they never know when that last day is gonna come. Different stroke for different folks.