Which programs offer the most structure/oversight?

My two sons' programs...both in the Pac 12...do all of that. I really cannot speak for others.

One exception...Stanford has the players do field prep and cleanup purely out of tradition and a sense of taking care of the field themselves. I liked that. Nothing to do with money I don't believe.

I think it's important to keep in mind that the vast majority of the college baseball programs lose money for their athletic departments; so, it stands to reason that most programs are going to try to save money and live within their budgets.

The ancillary services you describe are generally available where the football and basketball programs make enough profit that they fund resources sufficient to spill over to and benefit the "non-revenue" sports.

What you seek is available at the consistently successful programs in the major conferences, and not necessarily available at the less successful programs in those same conferences.

My son, also in a Pac 12 program (different from justbaseball's sons), also does all of that.

It seems to me one would be more likely to find that kind of thing in the top most competitive conferences. . .huh???

From what I have seen, this is pretty standard at most, if not all, ACC and SEC schools. When our son was coming along we paid special attention to which schools went the "extra mile" in terms of academic support, mandatory study hall, tutors, etc. We didn't visit a lot of big schools, but the ones we did were all on board. The mid majors were trying, but obviously didn't the money to do everything they would like to do.

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Originally posted by Truman:
My son, also in a Pac 12 program (different from justbaseball's sons), also does all of that.

It seems to me one would be more likely to find that kind of thing in the top most competitive conferences. . .huh???

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Originally posted by Prepster:
I think it's important to keep in mind that the vast majority of the college baseball programs lose money for their athletic departments; so, it stands to reason that most programs are going to try to save money and live within their budgets.

The ancillary services you describe are generally available where the football and basketball programs make enough profit that they fund resources sufficient to spill over to and benefit the "non-revenue" sports.

What you seek is available at the consistently successful programs in the major conferences, and not necessarily available at the less successful programs in those same conferences.

Prepster is spot on.

Why do you suppose that some programs are leaving their conferences to go to the more successful ones? Football and basketball. The more successful conferences in those sports means more money. More money means better facilities. Better facilities means better recruiting, and more wins for all of their sports.

fOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE pAC-12, WE VISITED ONE of the school out there that said they had all the above and more. Of course it was private and very expensive to attend.

As to your experience MTH, we visited in few in the ACC, and it did not seem as structured from what they told us, especially in the nutrition area. He was not recruited by the football powerhouse teams so maybe that had something to do with not seeing it in the east. It is strange how a Florida kid got more interest out west than he did locally. Then again we did travel out there for a couple of showcases.

With the limited replies so far, it would seem as if it is more common on the west coast based on our forum members experiences.

My son holds an offer from an ACC school and was told by the head-coach that "you wont have EVERYTHING you want but you'll have everything you NEED to be a top-notch ACC player." Probably a good way to put it.

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With the limited replies so far, it would seem as if it is more common on the west coast based on our forum members experiences.

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I don't think you could assume this. I know the 2 ACC and 2 SEC schools son visited certainly had it all in place. As there are consistent top programs within those conferences it would be a reach that the fine details aren't as important in the east as the west. My belief is that good programs exist everywhere in order to stay competitive.

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Originally posted by smalltownmom:

I don't think you could assume this. I know the 2 ACC and 2 SEC schools son visited certainly had it all in place. As there are consistent top programs within those conferences it would be a reach that the fine details aren't as important in the east as the west. My belief is that good programs exist everywhere in order to stay competitive.

I don't disagree with you, just making an unscientific observation based on the few posts at this point. Yet it is funny how our visits to the west coast seemed to have that feel more than east coast teams. Then again, the sampling was so small it is really hard to say.

I agree with you on the nutrition issue. I guess I sort of overlooked that part of your original post because our big issue was academic support. Son's school did not have a nutritionist routinely work with guys, but I believe there was one available if the kid wanted to talk to one. What they did do was make a daily recommendation regarding which of the on campus cafeterias had the most appropriate menu.

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Originally posted by Vector:
As to your experience MTH, we visited in few in the ACC, and it did not seem as structured from what they told us, especially in the nutrition area.

I am not sure many programs have a nutritionist on site available to all students but maybe in their food services? They may tell you that. In our experience the nutritionist usually was the trainer.

Ask to go to the cafeteria, some programs (especailly the powerhouse SEC football programs) have seperate areas for the athletes to eat. Their "training" tables are color coordinated, and the athletes are given guides as to eating properly and getting in all the food group during their training and playing periods. This might be what is considered programs with nutritionists.

Some programs feed their bb players before as well as after a game. The better the program, the better and more nutritional the meals. Kind of like the levels in pro ball, the higher up you go the better the menu.

I am sure that all conferences have differences among their programs facilities especially the smaller private schools. Even though they charge hefty amounts for tuition, that doesn't mean that they have the best facilites available no matter what they tell you.

Unless someone has visited every program in every conference you cannot draw the conclusions you are trying to.

my son went to a BIG WEST CONFERENCE SWCHOOL and had everything he needed or wanted---whyat more can you ask for?

That would be in the AL, the NYY.
In the NL, the Giants.