Assuming rules are being broken in this particular state in this story...the transfer student and his parents are putting 20 other kids at risk for selfish reasons probably initiated by the parents. Not to mention the 21st kid 'legally' at the school who now might not make the team. How about the other 20 kids on that team? Do they deserve to have their season at risk for some other people initiating a rule-breaking act?
What if this kid is a stud and all other 20 kids know what happened and the coach, school and the kids all ignore it because now they will win a few more games? Are they learning that anything goes? The ends justifies the means? Winning is everything?
I do like PG's approach of letting the home school handle the problem. But all I asked is why the whistleblower is always blamed as the bad guy. Reasonable question IMO.
Yesterday a random person banged my car in a parking lot and put a dent in it...he left a note. My wife called him...he promptly called back. Problem solved. He was an elderly man with his granddaughter in the car when he bumped ours and when my wife thanked him for his ethical act, he simply said, "Well, thats the way I was raised," and thanked my wife for being kind in her conversation with him.
We need more people to be "raised" like him.
I am so sick of the turn your head the other way attitude, don't get involved, then no one has to be held accountable for anything anymore. What happened to following the rules, people are so afraid anymore to take a stand on whats right for fear it will affect your kids playtime,etc. If the athlete is a good player and a coach is gaining talent ---we keep our mouth shut---again out of fear that it doesn't affect our win loss tally or our kids AB's/playtime.
What is going on that we as a society have gotten so weak to stand up for what is right no matter what the situation.
What is going on that we as a society have gotten so weak to stand up for what is right no matter what the situation.
Sometimes "we" don't know all the facts. In a situation like this, one could lose friendships and damage a child's high school future if wrong about things. otoh, it is OK to ask an AD to double check residency, or to perhaps express a concern. Maybe the bottom line is all in the way it is handled. One certainly does not want to be nasty. (Living in an HOA, I really dislike the nazi like patrolnerds who get mad if grass is at 6 inches instead of 5. so maybe I;m not the right person to ask!!)
wouldn't want this to happen to anyone
wouldn't want this to happen to anyone
I see it often around my parts. I am in a situation where we are moving for family reasons and we need a bigger place. We are moving the kids to a better district for academics only. On the other hand I see players move around all the time due to sports only sometimes illegally. In my opinion it is a selfish move because you are risking the team's season for one person.
Now suppose an illegal transfer had a direct inpact on your own kid's playing time? Would there be some motivation there to drop a dime on somebody to follow up on it?
The prevelance of the 'it's not my business', 'no harm', or self-justifying 'I'm really being a rebel' attitudes here are a bit sad. The family's choice will impact people who have had no say in the matter.
Justbb pointed out that there's a player at the new school who won't make the team because of the illegal player entering. (Remember Style said: Assume that you know the parents in question and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what is going on.) If the player is a stud, his leaving/not attending his school district may impact their chance for postseason play, and the number of scouts and recruiters who come to games and therefore see other players on that team.
But mostly it's a question of what you want to teach your own child. Look away when a rule is broken (would that include not discussing with you the drug habits of a friend?), don't get involved (don't defend a child you see being bullied), government rules are arbitrary (so ignore them, like traffic laws, or maybe like cheating on your taxes.)?
There are ways, already mooted, to handle this diplomatically. Whatever way you choose in somthing like this, your children (even the ones who don't play ball
) will be watching and learning.
Justbb pointed out that there's a player at the new school who won't make the team because of the illegal player entering. (Remember Style said: Assume that you know the parents in question and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what is going on.) If the player is a stud, his leaving/not attending his school district may impact their chance for postseason play, and the number of scouts and recruiters who come to games and therefore see other players on that team.
But mostly it's a question of what you want to teach your own child. Look away when a rule is broken (would that include not discussing with you the drug habits of a friend?), don't get involved (don't defend a child you see being bullied), government rules are arbitrary (so ignore them, like traffic laws, or maybe like cheating on your taxes.)?
There are ways, already mooted, to handle this diplomatically. Whatever way you choose in somthing like this, your children (even the ones who don't play ball
) will be watching and learning.
Does anyone know the true facts in the real world not the "Virtual World" regarding this situation?
I do not think so
This being the case how does anyone give judgement?
I do not think so
This being the case how does anyone give judgement?
Is the glass half full or half empty?
They just might learn that blindly following rules does not make a person right, just overly rightous in attitude.
The number one defense among war criminals..."I was just following orders (rules)". Right and wrong, tolerance and intolerance, versus rules, are distinctly seperate issues.
We all break rules and laws. The self justifying comes in when we rationalize that our actions are somehow better than someone elses because the rules we break are different than the rules they break.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando:
The prevelance of the 'it's not my business', 'no harm', or self-justifying 'I'm really being a rebel' attitudes here are a bit sad.
Sad meaning, it's too bad people aren't as enlightened as you?
Justbb pointed out that there's a player at the new school who won't make the team because of the illegal player entering. (Remember Style said: Assume that you know the parents in question and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what is going on.) If the player is a stud, his leaving/not attending his school district may impact their chance for postseason play, and the number of scouts and recruiters who come to games and therefore see other players on that team.
But on the other hand, some player that would have been the 21st player, and cut on the other team, now makes the team. Instead of the scouts coming to his old school to see him, his new teammates get the benefit of having scouts see them instead.
...your children (even the ones who don't play ball
They just might learn that blindly following rules does not make a person right, just overly rightous in attitude.
The number one defense among war criminals..."I was just following orders (rules)". Right and wrong, tolerance and intolerance, versus rules, are distinctly seperate issues.
We all break rules and laws. The self justifying comes in when we rationalize that our actions are somehow better than someone elses because the rules we break are different than the rules they break.
It eases my mind to know that I have you to interpret my words for me, CPLZ.
Though adding words ---- where did I suggest "blindly" following any rules? ---- is unfortunate. Oddly enough, there are rules and laws that make sense, just as there are those that don't.
War criminals?!
But I'm overly righteous. Oh, my.
And backatcha.
Though adding words ---- where did I suggest "blindly" following any rules? ---- is unfortunate. Oddly enough, there are rules and laws that make sense, just as there are those that don't.
War criminals?!
But I'm overly righteous. Oh, my.
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
We all break rules and laws. The self justifying comes in when we rationalize that our actions are somehow better than someone elses.
And backatcha.
I had hoped for better than sarcasm and scoffing from you. You are usually a more formidible debater than that.
As to being overly rightous, I can see how you might have taken that personally, being that my phrasing was poor, but it wasn't intended as such. It was meant to be a general observation.
As to being overly rightous, I can see how you might have taken that personally, being that my phrasing was poor, but it wasn't intended as such. It was meant to be a general observation.
Overly righteous in attitude or law abiding citizen?
Hmmmmmmm...........eenie meanie.
I pick the later.
That's an awful broad statement.
CPLZ,.....
With all due respect, lets not go there. I understand why you brought it up, but probably best to stay on the topic at hand.
Thank you ~
The original question was:
" If you found out that parents are enrolling their student in a different school than he's supposed to attend (for the purpose of playing sports) would you turn them in to the school board? "
Hmmmmmmm...........eenie meanie.
I pick the later.
quote:We all break rules and laws.
That's an awful broad statement.
CPLZ,.....
quote:The number one defense among war criminals..."I was just following orders (rules)". Right and wrong, tolerance and intolerance, versus rules, are distinctly seperate issues.
With all due respect, lets not go there. I understand why you brought it up, but probably best to stay on the topic at hand.
Thank you ~
The original question was:
" If you found out that parents are enrolling their student in a different school than he's supposed to attend (for the purpose of playing sports) would you turn them in to the school board? "
You'd have gotten something better with a more substantive approach.
Sorry, but the 'war criminals' line in a discussion about a community ethics issue threw a speed bump in the way of my taking your arguement seriously.
Sorry, but the 'war criminals' line in a discussion about a community ethics issue threw a speed bump in the way of my taking your arguement seriously.