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I see this as a good thing for my son who's a good student. I believe the coaches will be forced to look at grades a little bit harder or face the wrath of the NCAA.
As I understand it, the rules are particularly harsh on baseball (as compared to some other sports). Kids leaving for the pros after their junior year count against the school's graduation rate, if I am not mistaken. And with the relatively small rosters (compared to football), that has a very bad effect on the rate.
I agree with you Texan. Texas Tech lost 1.7 of their scholarships due to the new ruling. Last season they lost something like 8 players to the draft. It was the largest number of players ever drafted from the program. I think the NCAA's intentions are good but need to be revised so that school programs are not penalized for players accepting pro contracts. At the same time though, our kids need to know that they are at school for their education first. I am curious though as to how this will effect kids in JUCOs. Article in the Lubbock AJ today reports that the TTU baseball program is revamping their recruiting of JUCO players to their program for this very reason. I don't know the full wording of the NCAA rule but that would really stink for JUCO players trying to move to the next level if they can't/won't be recruited to D1s or D2s due to this rule.
The best way to combat this is to not allow kids to transfer without losing any eligibility.
Now, I don't say this to put it on the kids. Actually, I put it more on the coaches. They will have to be alot more careful in who they recruit. They will have to be sure they are bringing in the type of kid that "fits their program's philosophy."
I know coaches that have "cleaned house" because of this very thing. Of course, it will catch up to them in a couple of years when they lose scholarships because of low graduation rate percentages.
Now, I don't say this to put it on the kids. Actually, I put it more on the coaches. They will have to be alot more careful in who they recruit. They will have to be sure they are bringing in the type of kid that "fits their program's philosophy."
I know coaches that have "cleaned house" because of this very thing. Of course, it will catch up to them in a couple of years when they lose scholarships because of low graduation rate percentages.
PD,
You left off one very important choice...The Parents...it's the parents job to make sure that academics are important at home. I think you should add that to the mix and see what responses you get then. Just my thoughts..........
You left off one very important choice...The Parents...it's the parents job to make sure that academics are important at home. I think you should add that to the mix and see what responses you get then. Just my thoughts..........
Old Pitcher -- I agree and I almost included parents with the HS -- but the poll only provides a list of 5 choices.
I feel the responsibility rests soley on the 18+YO young man.
He is the only one who can control his situation.
I would like to take credit for his success but it is his success and not mine.
He is the only one who can control his situation.
I would like to take credit for his success but it is his success and not mine.
by HHH
"The NCAA has made adjustments in their calculations to not penalize teams for players taken in the draft anymore. That's a non-factor in the equation."
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"The NCAA has made adjustments in their calculations to not penalize teams for players taken in the draft anymore. That's a non-factor in the equation."
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Looks like this will be good for my son as well. However, I think there is alot of blame and it does start with the student. However, coaches that do not consider grades are asking for problems.
My son's select organization stresses to the kids the importance of grades. The high school coaches have never mentioned grades.
My son's select organization stresses to the kids the importance of grades. The high school coaches have never mentioned grades.
That's interesting, Bee. I had recently read otherwise. Guess that will take some research.
quote:Originally posted by screwball:
Looks like this will be good for my son as well. However, I think there is alot of blame and it does start with the student. However, coaches that do not consider grades are asking for problems.
My son's select organization stresses to the kids the importance of grades. The high school coaches have never mentioned grades.
I can't speak for your high school coach, but I spend more time talking to my kids about grades than baseball. Not only to be eligible to play in HS, but if they want to go to a 4 year school, baseball players have different academic standards than football recruits.
Sorry your HS coach does not stress grades. Do ya'll have lots of issues with ineligibility?
PD,
Thanks for the reply....I just think that too many times, we as parents want to blame everyone or everything else for our kids issues, when it's really our fault for not teaching them what we should at home! That's really the point I was trying to make.
Thanks for the reply....I just think that too many times, we as parents want to blame everyone or everything else for our kids issues, when it's really our fault for not teaching them what we should at home! That's really the point I was trying to make.
I'm not so sure I'd agree with thatquote:by screwball: I think there is alot of blame and it does start with the student.
you're saying most Texas kids are bad students ??
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People blaming themselves have to make assumptions. The coach took poor students, parents didn't do their job etc, schools passed poor students etc.
The truth is very good students with great upbringings often leave home and get the freedom they never had. I have seen it over and over. The only person you can blame is the one that benefits the most. When you leave the nest you have to learn to fly.
The truth is very good students with great upbringings often leave home and get the freedom they never had. I have seen it over and over. The only person you can blame is the one that benefits the most. When you leave the nest you have to learn to fly.
18 year old kids are accountable for their own behaviors and actions. You can blame it on mom or dad, the high school coach, the high school itself or the college. As long as they are given an excuse they will use it. If you allow a kid to be a victim when he is 18, he will be a victim when he is 28. I don't think it has changed since I played. We had kids that committed to their education and those that didn't. You can now see a direct correlation to those that accepted accountability and those that didn't by what they have accomplished after baseball. Everybody plays their last game. Prepare for it.
Lynn, that's fine and dandy, but if you are recruiting kids with a 2.0 gpa in High School, you deserve some of the blame.
as often discussed here,
there is a HUGE difference in how various programs view/support academics
there are some programs who set themselves up for the "academic success" of their players
and others who have not yet put much effort into it - hopefully that will change for the better
my guess is there is alot of finger pointing going on now & some heads will roll, ie - administrators.
you're talking BIG ALUM SUPPORT at some schools and
a "black eye to the schools athletics" (football) is not well recieved by their checkbooks.
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there is a HUGE difference in how various programs view/support academics
there are some programs who set themselves up for the "academic success" of their players
and others who have not yet put much effort into it - hopefully that will change for the better
my guess is there is alot of finger pointing going on now & some heads will roll, ie - administrators.
you're talking BIG ALUM SUPPORT at some schools and
a "black eye to the schools athletics" (football) is not well recieved by their checkbooks.
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Y'all won't like this post either, but here goes.
Fix this problem by eliminating ALL athletic scholarships. Return sports to its proper perspective in the educational system. Stop glorifying athletic accomplishment. I bet you can't find one college or university charter that emphasizes national championship athletic achievement, or athletic farm system for professional advancement over scholarly pursuits.
Fix this problem by eliminating ALL athletic scholarships. Return sports to its proper perspective in the educational system. Stop glorifying athletic accomplishment. I bet you can't find one college or university charter that emphasizes national championship athletic achievement, or athletic farm system for professional advancement over scholarly pursuits.
Keller who is to blame for the 2.0 ?
When student athlete walks on the campus he is in the sdame position as anyone else. He starts at even and has all the help he can use to help him maintain grades. He also had to qualify with the Clearing House. If he can do that he can keep his marks up to graduate.
There are a lot of things that parents should share blame but this is not one of them.
When student athlete walks on the campus he is in the sdame position as anyone else. He starts at even and has all the help he can use to help him maintain grades. He also had to qualify with the Clearing House. If he can do that he can keep his marks up to graduate.
There are a lot of things that parents should share blame but this is not one of them.