Why?

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Originally posted by TripleDad:
TG

I couldn't figure out what all of the fuss was about until I read your first post.

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Even my kid's mother can be an apologist. She blamed his having a bad inning in the field on getting banged up in goal (s****r) the night before. I stared at her and said, "Why don't you get a megaphone and make sure everyone knows. Then we can take a poll to see if anyone cares. The bottom line is produce or go home."

If I said this to my wife at a ballgame, I would have to order a 1 year subsbription to the playboy channel to keep myself entertained.

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It drives JR nuts when he gets fooled, hits a high fly the other way and mom is yelling good hit as he's grumbling to himself for getting fooled at the plate. One time he snapped at her, "That's not a good hit. This isn't LL."

This post really rough. How can you call out a mother for encouraging her son? Futhurmore, do you think it's ok for a KID to lash out at his biggest fan??

I'm not for ya or against ya, I doubt this was the message that you wanted to send, but it was percieved that way. Just be a little more careful, thats all.

This is the first response that makes sense to me. I was raised on produce or go home in the classroom and on the field/court when I could have been handed the silver spoon. It's worked well for me my entire career. It's worked well for the motivated people under me. It's worked well for my kids. I realize it's very Jack Welch-ish, but it's how I am when it comes to achieving goals. If I can't beat you with talent I'll outwork you. In person it comes off kinder. I will encourage people to succeed. But I will not applaud failure. Never confuse activity with results.

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by TG: I will encourage people to succeed. But I will not applaud failure.
Never confuse activity with results.

sooo, back to what started this ...

1) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it success OR faliure?

2) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it activity OR results??

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1) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it success OR faliure?

2) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it activity OR results??

Definately a success in my book on both scenarios.

Even though the batter was fooled, he had the skills to keep his hands back and make contact and the strength to poke it into the outfield. Nicely done.

I also cheer the crush shot that the left fielder just sticks up his glove to catch.

Both times the batter was doing his job.

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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by TG: I will encourage people to succeed. But I will not applaud failure.
Never confuse activity with results.

sooo, back to what started this ...

1) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it success OR faliure?

2) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it activity OR results??

And what about the ball read correctly, hit on the nose, sweet swing, resulting in a rising line drive....right into the CFer's glove? Success or failure?

So is a mistake swing resulting in a bloop hit better than a well-hit ball resulting in an out?

Well....what's your goal, where are you playing, what have your previous AB's been like? (amongst other questions)

Gee, this whole baseball-thing isn't all black and white, now, is it?

You're right Orlando!

Wood you are a godsend, Wife and I have been arguing over what color to paint the basement.
And there it is (SW2127 Summit Gray)

Problem solved, you da man!

It seems to me that over the years, most of the posters agree on certain unwritten rules for showcases and camps...

Don't cheer at a showcase or college camp - it embarrases your kid and yourself. It isn't LL.

Don't bring your own radar gun unless you are a MLB scout

Don't approach a PG staff member and ever offer an excuse - why did you bring him there to begin with? If he is injured, bring him home.

HitaHomer1 nailed it - nothing you say will have anything but a negative effect on your son's rating or performance - He must perform. You cannot make up for his deficiencies.

Thank the promoter after the event - better yet - have your player thank the coaches and promoters. The baseball community is a small one. Protect your family's reputation.

We all love baseball and love to see excellent players. Be quick with the compliment for the nice hit, pitch or play.
Enjoy talking to other parents about their kids. I used to ask - who's your son? Where does he go to high school - what position does he play? How is your team doing? What summer team? etc. That's not bragging, that's just friendly conversation. But why would you talk so loudly that a whole section could hear you?

My observation is that parent's of top kids rarely say much unless asked. Follow their lead. If your kid is so good, why should you say anything?

My son has always preferred I didn't say anything. As I got older I listened to him and quietly believed in his ability. He makes sense.

Oh yeah - enjoy it while you can. Time passes quickly.

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Originally posted by brod:
It seems to me that over the years, most of the posters agree on certain unwritten rules for showcases and camps...

Don't cheer at a showcase or college camp - it embarrases your kid and yourself. It isn't LL.

Don't bring your own radar gun unless you are a MLB scout

Don't approach a PG staff member and ever offer an excuse - why did you bring him there to begin with? If he is injured, bring him home.

HitaHomer1 nailed it - nothing you say will have anything but a negative effect on your son's rating or performance - He must perform. You cannot make up for his deficiencies.

Thank the promoter after the event - better yet - have your player thank the coaches and promoters. The baseball community is a small one. Protect your family's reputation.

We all love baseball and love to see excellent players. Be quick with the compliment for the nice hit, pitch or play.
Enjoy talking to other parents about their kids. I used to ask - who's your son? Where does he go to high school - what position does he play? How is your team doing? What summer team? etc. That's not bragging, that's just friendly conversation. But why would you talk so loudly that a whole section could hear you?

My observation is that parent's of top kids rarely say much unless asked. Follow their lead. If your kid is so good, why should you say anything?

My son has always preferred I didn't say anything. As I got older I listened to him and quietly believed in his ability. He makes sense.

Oh yeah - enjoy it while you can. Time passes quickly.

Extraordinarily good advice brod. There was another poster in this thread that lamented whether or not they should say anything. I am sure if you show genuine interest for other kids there that your conversation will be welcomed.

This thread may be a candidate to go Golden on mutliple levels.

a) the original topic was good
b) there have been some outstanding responses to the topic
c) there has been good advice offered about community interactions here at the hsbbweb

BROD....OUTSTANDING POST!!!!!!!!

I especially like the part about compliments for ANY kid that makes a nice play. Hey, if ya love baseball, that's how it is.

Brod, you have a pm

ahhh, finally...reason prevails

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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by TG: I will encourage people to succeed. But I will not applaud failure.
Never confuse activity with results.

sooo, back to what started this ...

1) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it success OR faliure?

2) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it activity OR results??

First, thank you for bringing the thread back to baseball. Your questions should be the basis for some abstract thinking given the nature of baseball. There could be several correct responses based on the reasoning.

For failure to be part of the discussion I'll assume you're talking about dinker hits, bloops, pops, flies, etc., not line drives. In that one at-bat it's failure unless the hitter gets lucky and the ball drops or a runner advances. But in the long run if the player is hitting a lot oppo dinkers he's not going to be successful. That would be failure in his practice and approach.

Activity would be swinging the bat. Results would be making something happen with the activity. If a player crushes a ball at a fielder the play yields a negative result. But you know the same activity will yield positive results most times. That falls under "can't win them all."

If we wanted to get real esoteric, we could say the hitter who pops out the opposite way learns something in his at-bat that yields positive results the next at-bat. But we can't be sure on an at-bat to at-bat basis. A hitter can look bad hitting twice a game and go to the Hall of Fame off his third at-bat.

I'm sure when you get your pitch, miss it and pop up or fly out you consider it failure. That's why hitters come back to the bench mumbling they missed their pitch.

Gotwood,
It didn't work. Now what?

BTW, we all need to remember it was the umpire's fault and always will be.

Sometimes my heart aches for Play Baseball.

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Originally posted by Orlando:
Gee, this whole baseball-thing isn't all black and white, now, is it?

No it isn't. There are too many variables. That's why we have statistics. In the long run the right statistics will bear out the hitter's long term productivity. But like I repsonded to BEE, when hitter sees his pitch and pops up, he's going to come back to the bench grumbling because he failed.

Even in the business world, a person can do everything right to win an account and still lose. It happens. This is also where statistics come into play. In sales it's called quota. In both cases success means being successful often enough.

BROD,
Excellent post !

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Control everything that you can: Preparation, attitude, effort, and focus...play every situation to the best of your ability. The rest will fall where it may...so to speak.

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No it isn't. There are too many variables. That's why we have statistics. In the long run the right statistics will bear out the hitter's long term productivity. But like I repsonded to BEE, when hitter sees his pitch and pops up, he's going to come back to the bench grumbling because he failed.

Even in the business world, a person can do everything right to win an account and still lose. It happens. This is also where statistics come into play. In sales it's called quota. In both cases success means being successful often enough.

STATS mean Nothing.
Paper pusher's,
Don't get the Job done.

You say you have people Under you.
How Demeaning to your staff.
Are they less then you??

I've never met a Statistic, That helped me do my Job.

EH

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Originally posted by theEH:

You say you have people Under you.
How Demeaning to your staff.
Are they less then you??

EH

Please don't take the bait, TG.

Don't worry infidel 08 I took it...

Thanks for taking the baton, EH. I'll be heading home now to shower. Next time we need to schedule the race outside of the asylum walls.

It's funny how baseball weeds them out. Each level up becomes more pleasant. Where did they all go? I muse, only to be reminded on HSBBW.

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Originally posted by CADad:
Gotwood,
It didn't work. Now what?

Click on the icon to the left...and wait...forever.

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Actually you understand analysis more than you think? Do you remember when you pee'd on your shoes three days in a row? You used that data to figure out you needed to move a foot closer to your outhouse bowl.

I did that on purpose to get the TG of my Shoe??

You want to talk baseball.
Then quit talking about Stats.

Plus there's a reason I stand a foot back??

You wouldn't know about that would you?

EH

TG
(I'll smack back until it stops.)

Are your Boss gives you a raise.
Thats the way YOU get ahead.

What are you in sales.
A used car salesman, Maybe??
EH

I have to go clean toilet's now,
I'll be back in the morning.
EH

Are we at 3rd grade recess? I thought this was the HSBBW.

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Originally posted by emeraldvlly:
Are we at 3rd grade recess? I thought this was the HSBBW.

It's why I'm deleting my posts. I don't want to get dragged down to a third grade level. If these guys want to continue to generate rude posts about me, let it shine on them. I'm not going to participate. I came to hsbaseballweb to get away from this kind of **** that happens on most boards.

Who's up for shoot the moon or hopscotch. We could of double dutched but I forgot the rope.

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Originally posted by theEH:


You say you have people Under you.
How Demeaning to your staff.
Are they less then you??

I've never met a Statistic, That helped me do my Job.

EH

Ever heard of an org chart? Businesses run on information and analysis. MLB teams operate on information and analysis. Ever heard of Bill James?

Now can we get off the rude cheap shots and get back to baseball?

Evidently the post office does have organizational charts. And smack. Drug testing just ain't what it used to be.

Oh, for heavens sake, can't we all just get along!

Everyone here has something to say.
We don't have to agree - what is the big deal?
We are not right or wrong - we just have different opinions and perspectives - let it go if it bothers you, Geez if you really want to conquer the world, play RISK , or Join the our Armed Forces. REALLy!!

Or get a cat!

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Originally posted by TG:
...get back to baseball?

Good idea!

iheartbb,

I agree. Back to baseball.. and I'll even start.. Welcome to HSBBW, TG!

TG,
If its something that I said or done.
Tell me what and I'll apoligize.
But if you don't
I really can't go on,
Holding back these tears in my eyes.
Tell me Why.
Come on TG.
You've been Punked.
Have I not welcomed you.
EH

EH, poet or rapper
Either seems to fit
Sometimes what you say
Others, seem to disagree

With those thoughts of folly
Some don't get it
They think you'ra an ******y

Keep your sense of humor
but stay on the lo
hate'in might be here
but it's cause they just don't know

Can't We All Just Get Along?

This is quite a thread, isn't it?

Lots of great advice, especially starting with Orlando's post about 1/3 of the way down this page:
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6616002781/m/4211068052/p/4

TG,

I don't mean to call you out personally, but I have to repeat some of the very insightful advice from that page:

"Just chill a little"

I believe you that your style may come off a lot better in person...written words can easily be misinterpreted.

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But here is some advice to all newcomers:
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If you have read our forums a bit and think that this site seems more cordial than some other forums you have visited...

...and then you jump into the pool and feel like several sharks have attacked you...

...while other newcomers seem to be getting along just "swimmingly"...

(bad pun, I know)

...please take a look at your own posts and see if maybe you
(a) came on too strong, or
(b) took offense quickly, or
(c) picked a fight - at least a little bit - with a member who has already become good friends with a lot of other members.

Then try to imagine making those same moves at a dinner party at the home of one of those members. Walk into the dinner party during cocktail hour, and introduce yourself to a bunch of people who seem to already have known each other for years. Quickly share a few strong opinions in a strong voice, and maybe a joke that comes out wrong. If someone comments in a disapproving way, let 'em have it! Surely all the other people at the dinner party will see that YOU are correct, and rush to your defense!

The above description is not meant as reproach to any single member, but I think a lot of the Old Timers at this site can confirm (and have said before) that this is how it sounds, or looks, or feels, when a newcomer "gets into it" with longer-term members.

Old-Timers (including me) aren't perfect. But Old Timers built this house, they take care of this house, they own this house. Newcomers, c'mon in! You are welcome visitors in our house, and hopefully after a while, it will become your house, too.

Now, back to baseball:



I love that photo, gotwood! It brings back old, old memories!

Julie

Words of Wisdom, from Mom.
OK, I'll go to my room now.
EH

Mn-Mom,

Thanks for the perspective. Using a baseball analogy.. perhaps the old-timers have home field advantage, but nonetheless we should afford the newcomers with unbiased umpires. I extend my hand in friendship to TG in the hopes he can see these few high-and-tight fastballs early on has only been a lesson in respect for the game. And TG, maybe we can now finally move on. Consider the wise move and accept our friendship and "keep it between the lines".