Bum,
Its like the picture of the 3 boys.
Now the little guy in the middle he's the newcomer.
And the one on his right is an old timer [quik and ready to pounce on the ball.
So the little guy he's worried about the one on his right,
You can tell by his blocking technique.
Right leg extended and the right angle lean.
Of course the little guy doesn't see the second OT.
And with a mighty right leg extention.
Completely squeeze out the newcomer.
Of course there feelings get hurt.
But remember?
There's No Crying in Baseball.
EH
I'm not trying to get esoteric at all ... the controversy in this thread is not surprisingquote:Bee says: sooo, back to what started this ...
1) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it success OR faliure?
2) the opposite field hit where batter was fooled, was it activity OR results??
TG writes: First, thank you for bringing the thread back to baseball. Your questions should be the basis for some abstract thinking given the nature of baseball. There could be several correct responses based on the reasoning.
For failure to be part of the discussion I'll assume you're talking about dinker hits, bloops, pops, flies, etc., not line drives. In that one at-bat it's failure unless the hitter gets lucky and the ball drops or a runner advances. But in the long run if the player is hitting a lot oppo dinkers he's not going to be successful. That would be failure in his practice and approach.
Activity would be swinging the bat. Results would be making something happen with the activity. If a player crushes a ball at a fielder the play yields a negative result. But you know the same activity will yield positive results most times. That falls under "can't win them all."
If we wanted to get real esoteric, we could say the hitter who pops out the opposite way learns something in his at-bat that yields positive results the next at-bat. But we can't be sure on an at-bat to at-bat basis. A hitter can look bad hitting twice a game and go to the Hall of Fame off his third at-bat
jmo, but a coaching philosophy (esp youth) that classifies players and their actions as failures most of the time needs re-thunk a bit
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
re-thunk a bit
Re-thunk a bit? Rethunkabit? Isn't that the county seat of Piscataquis County up in Maine?
Hey 20dad...you're up in that corner of our country...help me out.
Julie, I love that picture! I went to a t-ball game last night and saw that exact scene! Three young ball players learning that they go after the ball... the child I was there to watch came up with the ball, but all three little boys stood up with grins on their faces! 
Julie, loved the pic! Memories!!!!
You make good points. So did Orlando in her post that she posted last week.
IMO, coming to a message board any message board is like going for a swim in a pool. I know for me, I always stick my foot in first to check out the water. That determines whether I jump in or take my time in getting used to it, taking my time until I feel comfortable with the temperature.
And if I get my hair wet, I know that it's most likely my fault, not those splashing around me, for not being prepared.
You make good points. So did Orlando in her post that she posted last week.
IMO, coming to a message board any message board is like going for a swim in a pool. I know for me, I always stick my foot in first to check out the water. That determines whether I jump in or take my time in getting used to it, taking my time until I feel comfortable with the temperature.
And if I get my hair wet, I know that it's most likely my fault, not those splashing around me, for not being prepared.
Surprisingly, I've found yet another thread where a newcomer (TG) is being flogged by the Pharisees. For those of you that don't have your New Testament handy, I'll give you a quick reference....
Pharisees = purveyors of hypocrisy and false piety.
I have a related topic I'd like to discuss but I think I'll start a new thread to get away from this familiar bait and attack format.
Pharisees = purveyors of hypocrisy and false piety.
I have a related topic I'd like to discuss but I think I'll start a new thread to get away from this familiar bait and attack format.
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
I love that photo, gotwood! It brings back old, old memories! Julie
I think it may be a photo from the T-ball game on the south lawn of the White House. The way all three of them are going after the ball it looks more like a photo from the White House Easter Egg Hunt!
quote:Originally posted by willj1967:
Surprisingly, I've found yet another thread where a newcomer (TG) is being flogged by the Pharisees. For those of you that don't have your New Testament handy, I'll give you a quick reference....
Pharisees = purveyors of hypocrisy and false piety.
I have a related topic I'd like to discuss but I think I'll start a new thread to get away from this familiar bait and attack format.
Well, as long as you're not interested in participating in any baiting or attacking
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
IMO, coming to a message board any message board is like going for a swim in a pool.
And if I get my hair wet, I know that it's most likely my fault, not those splashing around me, for not being prepared.
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Your hair is soaking wet? Really TPM it wasn't me...it was him...over there...wearing the cap with the 'P' on it...
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And longtimereader...jump in! The water's fine! Thanks for posting!
quote:Well, as long as you're not interested in participating in any baiting or attacking Roll Eyes
Exactly! I'm glad you got it.
quote:Originally posted by willj1967:
Surprisingly, I've found yet another thread where a newcomer (TG) is being flogged by the Pharisees. For those of you that don't have your New Testament handy, I'll give you a quick reference....
Pharisees = purveyors of hypocrisy and false piety.
I have a related topic I'd like to discuss but I think I'll start a new thread to get away from this familiar bait and attack format.
MCO says: [sacasm]Well, as long as you're not interested in participating in any baiting or attacking [/sarcasm]
Bee> agrees w/MCO: "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance."
check the (out of context) biblical reference at the door & wipe the egg from your face
Actually, i'm the guy in the lower middle looking down???
Oh i'm so Bad.
EH
Oh i'm so Bad.
EH
I see another epic battle brewing between the oldies and newbies. I shall go make popcorn, lots of salt and butter. For this could last for days.....
Woody, stay close with that fork in case things get out of hand.
btw...Am I an oldie or newbie? Havn't been posting long but my thingy says old timer....aaahhh thats only because I went KARMAKAZEE one day.
Woody, stay close with that fork in case things get out of hand.
btw...Am I an oldie or newbie? Havn't been posting long but my thingy says old timer....aaahhh thats only because I went KARMAKAZEE one day.
not flogged, just trying to understand the aformentioned "corporate structure" -quote:by will: found yet another thread where a newcomer (TG) is being flogged
pres has a company of loosers who occasionaly get results
the v-pres praises the mailboy
the pres reprimands the v-pres for the praise
the mailboy "flips off" the v-pres for the praise
all this in the midst of company employees and customers
yea, I gotta find a place like that to buy my widgets from
EPIC BATTLE ?????
Why?
WHERE?
HOW?
I call it spirited debate---- too much thin skin is being seen
AND Woody no pictures please--I am serious--- too many are thin skinned and cannot handle the debate---I ask this --why be in the kitchen if it is too hot?
Why?
WHERE?
HOW?
I call it spirited debate---- too much thin skin is being seen
AND Woody no pictures please--I am serious--- too many are thin skinned and cannot handle the debate---I ask this --why be in the kitchen if it is too hot?
I wouldn't call this a debate. It's a ****ing contest. A never ending "I smack back" battle of the wills.
I for one am sick of it. I feel like I'm living next door to a family that can't stop fighting. I close the windows, but their yelling and pounding is just too loud. It's ugly, and I don't want to hear it anymore. The kitchen isn't just too hot. It's on fire, and I can't stop watching it burn.
"Why" are we drawn to disaster?
I for one am sick of it. I feel like I'm living next door to a family that can't stop fighting. I close the windows, but their yelling and pounding is just too loud. It's ugly, and I don't want to hear it anymore. The kitchen isn't just too hot. It's on fire, and I can't stop watching it burn.
"Why" are we drawn to disaster?
quote:Originally posted by TripleDad:
I shall go make popcorn, lots of salt and butter. For this could last for days.....
Hey EH...easy on the salt on mine...thanks!
I rarely post in this forum and genrally hang out in the Texas Forum (yes, TR, I see your occasion contributions ), but I did feel somewhat compelled to throw something into the pot here.
All parents want their player to be seen in the best possible light. Sometimes, and my wife and I have been guilty of this, a parent think they can talk their player into being better than he really is. While this is a mistake, it is a mistake because the parent loves their child and wants badly for them to succeed.
My oldest is a junior in HS and a solid player. As he has developed as a player and I have aged, I came to realize that if he, or any player for that matter, is good enough to advance to the next step, they will get that opportunity if they want it. Nothing I can say in the stands will alter that, one way or the other.
Perhaps a focus on the more weighty issues by parents will help with this perspective. I truly hope my son gets his chance to play in college, but something happened this week that tells me he on the right track, regardless.
A teacher friend of my wife came up to my wife and offered an unsolicited comment about our son this week. This friend told my wife that her daughter knew our son, and told her mother that "he is a great kid. He doesn't party or drink, he is always nice to me and I never really see him doing anything wrong".
After that, I decided I wasn't going to worry about his future again. He has it figured out, with or without baseball...something to think about.
), but I did feel somewhat compelled to throw something into the pot here.All parents want their player to be seen in the best possible light. Sometimes, and my wife and I have been guilty of this, a parent think they can talk their player into being better than he really is. While this is a mistake, it is a mistake because the parent loves their child and wants badly for them to succeed.
My oldest is a junior in HS and a solid player. As he has developed as a player and I have aged, I came to realize that if he, or any player for that matter, is good enough to advance to the next step, they will get that opportunity if they want it. Nothing I can say in the stands will alter that, one way or the other.
Perhaps a focus on the more weighty issues by parents will help with this perspective. I truly hope my son gets his chance to play in college, but something happened this week that tells me he on the right track, regardless.
A teacher friend of my wife came up to my wife and offered an unsolicited comment about our son this week. This friend told my wife that her daughter knew our son, and told her mother that "he is a great kid. He doesn't party or drink, he is always nice to me and I never really see him doing anything wrong".
After that, I decided I wasn't going to worry about his future again. He has it figured out, with or without baseball...something to think about.
tycho
Some times we as parents tend to get ""TOO" involved
Can be better to sit back and just watch, cheer and have fun
Some times we as parents tend to get ""TOO" involved
Can be better to sit back and just watch, cheer and have fun
quote:After that, I decided I wasn't going to worry about his future again. He has it figured out, with or without baseball...something to think about.
Great post tychco,
I know that parent's are a big equation to weather a child has a chance to go to college.
Weather a baseball player gets a chance to play in HS and Beyond. Is up to the player, and his are her ability.
Nothing as parent's can we do to help with that except keep them busy playing there sport of choice.
It's there journey, were only there for support.
JMHO
EH
Gotwood,
OK, still waiting.
Thanks,
CADad
OK, still waiting.
Thanks,
CADad
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Geeze...I think we might break our own arms trying to pat ourselves on the back...Hate to do this once again....But it needs to be said...with ALL due respects, and COMPLETE understanding of where the other 99% are coming from...
Never was and will never be a fan of old guard, old boy/old girl networks, of exclusivity, of networking, of hall-of-fames, of popularity contests, of celebrity over substance, of promotion by longevity, of double standards, of playing time by longevity. All that leads to respect based as much on how long, political affiliations and kiss-ups than it does on information, or truth, or content, or performance.
Often/recently see inane posts by the "right" posters that are soundly revered, until someone realizes that "the emperor has no clothes" and then its a quick and mutually cheery backup by the whole posse. On the other side, have seen some very good posts "gang tackled" simply because they come from a politically incorrect, or newbie source. Have seen The "right" posters argue themselves in complete circles of logic trying to make certain posters wrong.
Here is the metafore...
Open position on the team...freshman arrives...obviously brings game...clearly good enough to start...but the team is not happy, wants a less talented Junior who has been waiting to get that spot...the team makes life difficult for the freshman simply because he is a freshman, not because he lacks talent...coach/moderator understands freshman sits and gets frustrated. Understandable right? Or Unreasonable? OK if you son is the junior, right? What if your son were the freshman?
Again, I understand where we are coming from, and I'd say that for the most part we do a good job letting the information do the talking....but I'd also caution against reading our own press clippings.
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Geeze...I think we might break our own arms trying to pat ourselves on the back...Hate to do this once again....But it needs to be said...with ALL due respects, and COMPLETE understanding of where the other 99% are coming from...
Never was and will never be a fan of old guard, old boy/old girl networks, of exclusivity, of networking, of hall-of-fames, of popularity contests, of celebrity over substance, of promotion by longevity, of double standards, of playing time by longevity. All that leads to respect based as much on how long, political affiliations and kiss-ups than it does on information, or truth, or content, or performance.
Often/recently see inane posts by the "right" posters that are soundly revered, until someone realizes that "the emperor has no clothes" and then its a quick and mutually cheery backup by the whole posse. On the other side, have seen some very good posts "gang tackled" simply because they come from a politically incorrect, or newbie source. Have seen The "right" posters argue themselves in complete circles of logic trying to make certain posters wrong.
Here is the metafore...
Open position on the team...freshman arrives...obviously brings game...clearly good enough to start...but the team is not happy, wants a less talented Junior who has been waiting to get that spot...the team makes life difficult for the freshman simply because he is a freshman, not because he lacks talent...coach/moderator understands freshman sits and gets frustrated. Understandable right? Or Unreasonable? OK if you son is the junior, right? What if your son were the freshman?
Again, I understand where we are coming from, and I'd say that for the most part we do a good job letting the information do the talking....but I'd also caution against reading our own press clippings.
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WOW!
I posted early on in this thread, and just came back to see what a (h)issing contest it has devolved into!
TG: It seems to me that you have an interesting combination of testosterone and victim complex. You have been here just a few short months, have posted at a rate that would make GotWood blush, and then complained about people here treating "newcomers" badly.
People are not reacting this way to you because you are a newcomer. They are reacting to your behavior. I hope you can step back a bit and do a little self assessment, because from my point of view, as someone who has absolutely no ill will toward you at all, and who welcomes what you can bring to this board, I think you have regularly used this board to in one way or another brag about yourself, your son and your daughter.
Bottom line, that is what people are reacting to. It seems that quite often your posts are thinly veiled excuses to create "oh by the way" reasons to brag about how hard nosed you are, how successful you are, how talented your son and daughter are, etc.
There are legions of people on this board whose sons are unbelievably talented in this game we all love. They have excelled at a level that my son can now only dream of. Yet, unless directly asked, they hardly ever mention a thing, and then usually only in a PM.
I have learned so much from these folks over the years about appropriate parent demeanor. I simply suggest that you take a step back, do an honest self-assessment of why you are here.
If you do, I think you will find the folks here are VERY welcoming, helpful, informative, and yes, even indulgent of the occasional brag!
I posted early on in this thread, and just came back to see what a (h)issing contest it has devolved into!
TG: It seems to me that you have an interesting combination of testosterone and victim complex. You have been here just a few short months, have posted at a rate that would make GotWood blush, and then complained about people here treating "newcomers" badly.
People are not reacting this way to you because you are a newcomer. They are reacting to your behavior. I hope you can step back a bit and do a little self assessment, because from my point of view, as someone who has absolutely no ill will toward you at all, and who welcomes what you can bring to this board, I think you have regularly used this board to in one way or another brag about yourself, your son and your daughter.
Bottom line, that is what people are reacting to. It seems that quite often your posts are thinly veiled excuses to create "oh by the way" reasons to brag about how hard nosed you are, how successful you are, how talented your son and daughter are, etc.
There are legions of people on this board whose sons are unbelievably talented in this game we all love. They have excelled at a level that my son can now only dream of. Yet, unless directly asked, they hardly ever mention a thing, and then usually only in a PM.
I have learned so much from these folks over the years about appropriate parent demeanor. I simply suggest that you take a step back, do an honest self-assessment of why you are here.
If you do, I think you will find the folks here are VERY welcoming, helpful, informative, and yes, even indulgent of the occasional brag!
Ohhh Rob! 
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
AND Woody no pictures please--I am serious--- too many are thin skinned and cannot handle the debate---I ask this --why be in the kitchen if it is too hot?
Sorry TR...I was too busy posting popcorn and didn't see your comment to me. And now that you mention it...it was a tad too hot in the kitchen just a bit ago...and they call it Easy Mac...what's so easy 'bout it?
quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
AND Woody no pictures please--I am serious--- too many are thin skinned and cannot handle the debate---I ask this --why be in the kitchen if it is too hot?
Sorry TR...I was too busy posting popcorn and didn't see your comment to me. And now that you mention it...it was a tad too hot in the kitchen just a bit ago...and they call it Easy Mac...what's so easy 'bout it?
I like it well done, but it looks a little over done. I bet the grease would have added a lot of extra flavor!
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
Gotwood,
OK, still waiting.
Thanks,
CADad
Here...have a case of these CADad...they make the time go by with ease!
And...ummm...they don't work as a token at the batting cages...I found that out.
quote:Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
WOW!
I posted early on in this thread, and just came back to see what a (h)issing contest it has devolved into!
TG: It seems to me that you have an interesting combination of testosterone and victim complex. You have been here just a few short months, have posted at a rate that would make GotWood blush, and then complained about people here treating "newcomers" badly.
People are not reacting this way to you because you are a newcomer. They are reacting to your behavior. I hope you can step back a bit and do a little self assessment, because from my point of view, as someone who has absolutely no ill will toward you at all, and who welcomes what you can bring to this board, I think you have regularly used this board to in one way or another brag about yourself, your son and your daughter.
Bottom line, that is what people are reacting to. It seems that quite often your posts are thinly veiled excuses to create "oh by the way" reasons to brag about how hard nosed you are, how successful you are, how talented your son and daughter are, etc.
There are legions of people on this board whose sons are unbelievably talented in this game we all love. They have excelled at a level that my son can now only dream of. Yet, unless directly asked, they hardly ever mention a thing, and then usually only in a PM.
I have learned so much from these folks over the years about appropriate parent demeanor. I simply suggest that you take a step back, do an honest self-assessment of why you are here.
If you do, I think you will find the folks here are VERY welcoming, helpful, informative, and yes, even indulgent of the occasional brag!
Great post!
What is also great about the board is that there are many very nice people here that provide great advice and experiences, even if their son may not be the best athletes.
Observer44; I hear ya loud and clear on that one! Some of the loved and revered websters can say things that would get the rest of us attacked by an angry mob.
Some of us follow others around just for the fun of tormenting and jabbing from the backside. (My kids loved doing this)
Still others treat it as a verbal posturing contest and their friends come running.
Then proceed to tell everyone how wonderful they all are. There are SO many nice people on here, but also a number of pompous posters. I still love reading the articles and enjoy the comradeship of others on the same journey. I do not understand the need some see to take jabs at others for seemingly no reason at all.
Some of us follow others around just for the fun of tormenting and jabbing from the backside. (My kids loved doing this)
Still others treat it as a verbal posturing contest and their friends come running.
Agree Rob. This forum works because of mutual respect and heartfelt advice from people who have been there and done that. I don't want to read a p#$#ing contest. My observation is that newcomers questions are welcomed and answered as patiently and authoritatively as possible. Mine always have. Listen, learn and contribute if you can. But in an uncertain world, let's have fun with baseball.
After readng through the remainder of the thread I've noticed there are several people who object to my presense on this board. I will no longer participate. Life will go on for the board and me.
MN-Mom since some of my posts bother people, please delete my account if that will take my posts with it. Thank you.
And thank you to the people I've enjoyed conversing with and the valuable information I've learned on this board.
MN-Mom since some of my posts bother people, please delete my account if that will take my posts with it. Thank you.
And thank you to the people I've enjoyed conversing with and the valuable information I've learned on this board.
TG,
I told you before - you gotta Buck Up.
I had one poster claim I was the anti-Christ. Several have said I am the worst baseball parent they have ever known. And many have said I have no clue about anything related to the game and my posts are a detriment to young players. So what?
That is just their opinion. And the HSBBWeb is all about information - and opinion. Respectfully delivered of course.
There is no unconditional love here in cyber world.
Just because you think some people object to your presence on the board - doesnt mean you should deprive yourself of all the good stuff this place has to offer.
Just my opinion.
I told you before - you gotta Buck Up.
I had one poster claim I was the anti-Christ. Several have said I am the worst baseball parent they have ever known. And many have said I have no clue about anything related to the game and my posts are a detriment to young players. So what?
That is just their opinion. And the HSBBWeb is all about information - and opinion. Respectfully delivered of course.
There is no unconditional love here in cyber world.
Just because you think some people object to your presence on the board - doesnt mean you should deprive yourself of all the good stuff this place has to offer.
Just my opinion.
TG, Your not getting it.
Life is way to serious, to allow a P****** match on the HSBBW to bother you.
And deleting your posts is not the answer.
That just messes up the thread, so no one know's what the fuss is all about.
If we all agreed, there wouldn't be much to talk about.
To be a Baseball player, You MUST have thick skin.
To be the Parent of a Baseball Player.
You also need thick skin, and a coating of RHINO Lineing.
You and your player are going to hear thing's you might not want to hear.
It comes with the territory.
You don't have to believe everything they say.
And you never stop trying to be the best you can be.
EH
Life is way to serious, to allow a P****** match on the HSBBW to bother you.
And deleting your posts is not the answer.
That just messes up the thread, so no one know's what the fuss is all about.
If we all agreed, there wouldn't be much to talk about.
To be a Baseball player, You MUST have thick skin.
To be the Parent of a Baseball Player.
You also need thick skin, and a coating of RHINO Lineing.
You and your player are going to hear thing's you might not want to hear.
It comes with the territory.
You don't have to believe everything they say.
And you never stop trying to be the best you can be.
EH
Hey,
EH did you like my little poem?
EH did you like my little poem?
[qoute]
EH, poet or rapper
Either seems to fit
Sometimes what you say
Others, seem to disagree
With those thoughts of folly
Some don't get it
They think you'ra an ******y
Keep your sense of humor
but stay on the lo
hate'in might be here
but it's cause they just don't know
[qoute]
iheartbb, This poem?
It's great.
But what does [ They think you'ra an ******y ] mean.
I would just die if people think of me in that way. [What ever that means.]
I have feeling's, and I am very sensitive.
Really, I do
I'm Serious.
Quit laughing at me.
EH
EH, poet or rapper
Either seems to fit
Sometimes what you say
Others, seem to disagree
With those thoughts of folly
Some don't get it
They think you'ra an ******y
Keep your sense of humor
but stay on the lo
hate'in might be here
but it's cause they just don't know
[qoute]
iheartbb, This poem?
It's great.
But what does [ They think you'ra an ******y ] mean.
I would just die if people think of me in that way. [What ever that means.]
I have feeling's, and I am very sensitive.
Really, I do
I'm Serious.
Quit laughing at me.
EH
I am sure Woody will come up with something.
Fun to use our imaginations though, people have been using asteriks in such creative ways lately!
Come here buddy, I'll give you a hug and a flower!
Fun to use our imaginations though, people have been using asteriks in such creative ways lately!
Come here buddy, I'll give you a hug and a flower!
iitg,
Don't worry , I love ya!
I spoke to a Metsie ss pitcher today who said D is definetly a pitchers nightmare!
Hope that made your day!
Don't worry , I love ya!
I spoke to a Metsie ss pitcher today who said D is definetly a pitchers nightmare!
Hope that made your day!
Geez, its, you got all that from my making fun of the Mets? 
I try to talk in generalities.
Not trying to mention my son are anything about where he's at are how he's doing.
I'm not a self promotor.
I believe in being humble as a player or parent.
I believe in pun ( the baseball gods ).
And not doing anything to rattle there cages.LOL
I know i've stuck MY foot in my mouth a time are two.
And it will come back to bite you.
JMO
EH
Not trying to mention my son are anything about where he's at are how he's doing.
I'm not a self promotor.
I believe in being humble as a player or parent.
I believe in pun ( the baseball gods ).
And not doing anything to rattle there cages.LOL
I know i've stuck MY foot in my mouth a time are two.
And it will come back to bite you.
JMO
EH
We all know that our kids are good enough to play at the next level, so it would be a shame to ruin that opportunity by being an idiot parent, right?