Why Oh Why.....

Scooter P ...

I like what you had to say and how you said it. Thanks!

FutureBack.Mom,

Thank You.... I just feel with all the knowledge on this board, we can all learn and gain the ability to better teach and coach our players or sons in the game of baseball.


Scooter P

Scooter, Very good post...You are so right.
Fungo

Scooter,

Well done, well said.

I think the anonimity of the web has created what I call cyper muscles. (much like beer muscles) This allows people who may very well be polite and wonderful people, to act out in ways they would never act in "real" society.

Scooter,
Very nice post, most people here are here to learn and give their kids the best shot at succcess possible.There would be more here if a few select individuals would temper their remarks!

Catchersdad

Well said Scooter and good corralation Cong .

Sometimes those who want to argue on this site are not arguing their cause but rather looking to raise the dander of others. They find that entertaining.

I sometimes even question whether or not they have kids because as a parent those qualities are the things we try to teach our kids not to do. Take a look at those who shoot off at the mouths, there is never a mention of who their kids are, showcases they've attended, or any other evidence they have a pulse. To those who really do care about the direction of the sport, they are a figment of our imagination.

"To Teacherman and Bluedog,
.........you fail to answer anyone's direct question about any aspect of the game of baseball."

Scooter, I don't know a whole lot about the game of baseball......I only study and teach hitting........

Scooter,
Observation...some websters who come here and argue are the SAME people!

Good post!

I have a better question.

Why do so many of you wish to enter discussions on this board, that are about topics you know little about, and criticize those who are arguing?????? Why can't we argue? I guarantee that's the learning seed. Nothing is learned without passionate debate.

I have never entered a conversation about topic I didn't know something about and criticize those who were discussing it.

If you know something, join the discussion. If you don't quit whining.

Do you use fresh ingredients or canned?

SCOOTER - Right on!! Most of us only have so much time to devote reading topics on this site - it gets awful frustrating to have to wast e so much of that time separating the chaff from the wheat. I like a lively debate as well as the next guy - that is also the beauty of baseball - there is no one absolutely correct way of doing things. A variety of opinons makes for a more well rounded knowledge of the game. But I think we can all do without the extraneous sniping and non-sensical comments. We're all here for a reason [most of us anyway] - let's keep it to that. That all being said, I suspect that it will have no impact whatsoever on the offenders.

Scooter,

Very good post. Part of the problem is the time of year it is. Everyone is couped up inside with no baseball, bored as can be. It happened last winter and the winter before on here.

I do believe that some of these "arguements" are productive in the sense they bring on debate about different ideas and philosophies regarding baseball and people on here learn from that.

I have learned a lot on here that has helped my coaching and have passed some helpful tips on to my son that have helped his game.

This is a great site, even though we do not all see eye to eye.

CV

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate provided it's kept to the subject. It's the derogatory remarks that may turn people away. Safe to say there are new people visiting this site daily that are looking for information or to participate in a discussion but may be reluctant to post a question or their opinion for fear of being lambasted by some self-proclaimed guru.

There are wholesome respectful disagreements and differences of opinion where others can learn from both sides. It's Adult Communication 101. "I hear what you are saying and believe there is some truth to what you say, however I disagree on this point and here's why"... On the other hand there are those who are into oneupmanship and childish sniping in order to bolster their own ego. It's grade school playground stuff. There are folks already named who never learned to communicate without attacking, making snide and smartass comments and without ever leaving wiggle room just in case they might be wrong. In my view it's all about respecting other people until they prove they don't deserve it and understanding that the world does not revolve around you.

Scooter,
Most posters that come on to the HSBBW have an opinion about something. Myself included. We share our opinion and let everyone take it for what it’s worth...it’s just an opinion. That is what created the learning process that made the HSBBW what it is today. A great format. It’s not really “right or wrong" as you stated in your original post. That is the normal discussion. The “problem” arises when a poster keeps pushing his or her opinion to the top of the discussion. Over and over. They present their opinion as being the best and sometimes the only option. Posters that make numerous posts on one thread fall into one of two categories...they either become aggressive or they are “forced” to become defensive. I can appreciate the defensive poster. He or she gives her opinion but then is personally attacked. They respond back simply because they were attacked. I can even appreciate the aggressive poster when they declare their identity. I can at least understand their perspectives or motives, although I may disagree. The most irritating poster is the anonymous poster that pushes and pushes his or her opinion on everyone. They choose anonymity because they probably lack the normally accepted credentials to authenticate their opinions. I appears to me they purposely change their intent from simply stating their opinion, to one of trying to irritate others. Some even use more than one screen name to add some “validity” to their opinion or possibly compound the irritancy. We all know who these posters are. In order for the HSBBW to continue to serve the parents and players seeking advice, we have to ignore their caustic nature and go on. Many have good opinions but they get lost or ignored simply because they lack the ability to communicate sensibly in the HSBBW format. There is hope...over the years I have seen some posters make adjustments to their delivery and become major contributors to the needs of parents and players.
Fungo

Teacherman

sometimes after reading one of your posts declaring others ignorance and lack of knowledge I sometimes think you are putting everybody on with being so boastful and obnoxious. Are you?

The fact is, you people are fortunate to have Teacherman to listen to.......You should take advantage of the opportunity to learn from him........

If you people who are complaining can prove him wrong, I would be interested in listening to you.....

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Originally posted by Teacherman:
I have a better question.

Why do so many of you wish to enter discussions on this board, that are about topics you know little about, and criticize those who are arguing?????? Why can't we argue? I guarantee that's the learning seed. Nothing is learned without passionate debate.

I have never entered a conversation about topic I didn't know something about and criticize those who were discussing it.

If you know something, join the discussion. If you don't quit whining.

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Good thing your name is not Pinocchio!!!

Scooter, this is a great topic and point of continued concern. To be sure, it doesn't take long to recognize those posters that make serious contributions to this site and those that create personifications that don't match actions.

As for myself, I appreciate this site and the opportunity to learn. I do posts opinions on various topic. I know enough to know that I can continue to learn.

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The fact is, you people are fortunate to have Teacherman to listen to

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If that's fortunate, I'd really hate to see unfortunate!

It's like saying you're fortunate to have two thumbs on each hand, and someone saying to you "now go put on your gloves, it's cold outside"

Glove man, did you get my P.M.?

I just did, I'll responf later.

And it is COLD OUTSIDE today !!!!!

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Scooter

Your frustration is expressed well. It has been heard here before. Some posters who have offerred their opinions and were willing to defend them have experienced the competitve nature of discourse that is prevalent here.

What usually happens is the combative posters still think they are competing for a roster spot in the line up and it's their way at taking their turn at bat. They don't realize their bats are silent.

Fungo,

I have to ask - is "irritancy" a real word???

Either way, it does count as good communication as we all know exactly what you are talking about.

Scooter,

I share your sentiments. But some dogs just can't learn new tricks.

I understand that no two people are going to agree about everything and if that was the case then the world would not be the way it is today. I think on here to many people let their egos get in the way of what this site was created for in the first place. This site was created for baseball people to exchange information and not to one up each other about who is the best at teaching the game.

I believe alot of people on here are truly here to offer valuable input and to help each other but I think others are here just to promote themselves and put down everyone else without trying to help the cause of building a great baseball community.

I dont post much due to the hostility that has been shown here time and time again. I do have some good input but I dont want to be crucified based on what I think just because someone else doesn't agree with my thinking.


Bluedog,

You say you dont know much about baseball other than just hitting. My question is why do you constantly down and bash others for their individual views of the hitting process if it is different from yours? I have seen numerous post from you doing such things just because the other person didnt agree with you. What makes the way you coach hitting better than anyone else? Lets see if you can answer these questions by being an adult about it without having an attitude and trying to be a smart@$$.


Teacherman,

I have seen you constantly down grade and call others ignorant. You ask why cant we argue. Well, there is nothing wrong with arguing if done right but with you, you want to down grade and bash someone if they disagree with you about anything or have a different opinion than you do. Take the radar issue, a poster stated she just thought you were an overbearing parent living through their son. You got all defensive and blew up because of her individual view. Who really cares what someone thinks of you or how you deal with your children, they dont pay your bills or have to sleep with you at night. A question for you, have you ever coached baseball on a higher level than youth baseball? If so, what level? Why do you think your way of coaching or teaching baseball is better than anyone else? Lets see if you can respond to these questions like an adult would.


Basically, I think people need to realize that in baseball there is no true way to coach or teach it. We all have our own philosophies and styles but that is what has made this game so great. If you want to chime in and give your personal view about a topic then do so but do it as an adult and not as a child if it doesn't go your way. People have two options when it comes to information being handed-out : (1) take and use it or (2) disregard it as useful information.

In closing, Who really cares if someone doesnt see eye to eye with you or not. You have your view and they have theirs, if your going to disagree do it without bashing and playing the higher than thou role. Because in this world no one is better than you but on the other hand you are not better than anyone else. Everyone just has different specialities and abilities.


Scooter P

Teacherman- Nothing wrong with debate...but you can't debate when one side is unwilling to even consider the remote possibility that there may be another way to do it. You have great knowledge...no question about that...but intelligent people always know that they have more to learn, and I think the reason that you get poor responses has to do with the fact that you typically look down your nose at everyone without considering their point.

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...Take the radar issue, a poster stated she just thought you were an overbearing parent living through their son. You got all defensive and blew up because of her individual view. Who really cares what someone thinks of you or how you deal with your children, they dont pay your bills or have to sleep with you at night. A question for you, have you ever coached baseball on a higher level than youth baseball? ..P

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Nice try. Change the subject. Divert attention. The topic was radar. Other diversions were brought up when their point of view was shown to be wrong. Save face. Lets accuse him of being a bad parent. I called her on it. And I don't apologize. And the success of her two ball playing sons doesn't mean a thing to me and shouldn't to you when someone is out of line.

Of course, most of you need the support of the group before you'll say something. Which way is the wind blowing......ok....I'll go that way........What does the group think......ok....I'll think that.

My personality is what it is. I hold no punches. I'll blow a customer out of my business if he's out of line........You know what I get in return.........Good customers. Loyal customers. People who appreciate leadership and the ability to take a stand regardless of status quo. Try it coaches. See how the kids respond.

BTW most of my customers are 18-34. I'm told by them (and I experienced it when teaching) that they appreciate it when someone stands up for right and doesn't just say......"but, what about this......Or, It's ok to agree to disagree.......that will really get the followers in line.

BTW, I coached hs baseball and assisted at the college level for two different colleges in the late 70's.

But, my baseball education has been lifelong.

Scooter, my two favorite Coaches were Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi.......Bear Bryant once said....."I can teach any kid to be a good football player even if he has no talent......As long as he doesn't know he has no talent".......

One of my favorite quotes is....."I never wanted to be as good as anyone else......I always wanted to be better than everyone else"........Jerry Garcia - Greatful Dead

And, I teach my hitting students to believe the same.....Two words I don't allow my students to use - "can't" and "try"........I tell my students I won't lead them the wrong way.....They believe me........I put in the time to make sure I can make good on that statement.....

Whoa now, Teacherman. I never said you were a bad parent. Actually, I think I said you seemed to be a very caring parent. I just passed on a little advice based on my experiences. You're the one that took it so personally.

I could type more TXmom but I know you're a member and the attack dogs are lining up at their keyboards.

DON'T TALK BAD ABOUT TXMOM. SHE HAS TWO SONS THAT ARE EXCELLENT PLAYERS.

Especially since I have made it a goal to help my son reach his goals, and he's just a small hs player that will not play professionally. After all, what kind of parent would do that.....Can you imagine how much time they waste. Maybe he should just get a job or something.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Teacherman:


DON'T TALK BAD ABOUT TXMOM. SHE HAS TWO SONS THAT ARE EXCELLENT PLAYERS.


Yes she has two boys that are fine players. The two boys have fine parents too.

Bluedog,

Both of those coaches are great men as well as coaches. I also agree with you about wanting in your mind to be better than someone at something but if you are better than someone why try to show them up all the time? I think you have alot of knowledge in the area of hitting and I have learned a few things from you but I still dont believe that one way is better than another way. I believe it is the end results that matter and the ability to give players the added advantage of going up to a higher level of baseball. I think alot of the coaches who have come on here have been successful in the way they teach the game and have had the intentions of their players on their mind. I still would like to know why you think your way is better than anyone else?


Teacherman,

I am not trying to change any subject, I don't have any ties to anyone in here, and I do believe in standing up for what is right and wrong. About the radar and the parenting, no one ever said you were a bad parent because we don't know you but anyone can be overbearing but that doesnt make them a bad parent. Baseball for me has been a lifelong learning experience for me to but I will never come onto a board and try and push my philosophies down others throat just because I believe it is right. Everyone is entitled to their own individual views about different ideas. You got upset for someone passing a false judgement on you but you do it all of the time on here. You post snide remarks, answer questions with questions, call people ignorant, and other things I have read. In your mind, thats okay but when done to you it is a terrible injustice. I was wondering, why do you have such a hard-on for high school coaches? You used to be one.



Scooter P

Dear Bluedog,

One suggestion, if I may.

Mr. Jerry Garcia may not be the best example to use for your "students". LOL

He was a stone cold junkie for the majority of his life - whose band never even produced one - not a single - number one hit.

His legacy was the creation of "Musak" for dopers.

When the best guitarists of his era are named - Hendrix/Page/Clapton - but no Jerry Garcia.

So much for his wonderful quote.

Maybe something from Lombardi might be better.
LOL

Scooter-Nice post and right on the money.


Teacherman- one word- PROZAC it really can be a wonder drug.

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...I was wondering, why do you have such a hard-on for high school coaches? You used to be one...

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I have first hand knowledge of how they are hired, I've coached with and against many, I know the goal of most has nothing to do with baseball excellence.

As always, there are some good ones. My problem with them is they don't stand up against the ones wasting kids time. Watch them everytime someone says something bad about the bad ones.

Itsinthegame, perhaps I should use the most famous thing you ever said.....

"Athletes should give 100%"

I'll never forget that one, Game......You are one insightful fella.....I wonder if you have a copyright on that.....That's a classic...

I do have a copyright on it.

If you want to use it - you will have to get my permission.

Just dont be using it in the same quote as Garcia please.

LOL

Let's see, who became better at what they did/do?......Jerry Garcia or Itsinthegame?......I think I'll stick with Garcia's quote.......Hope your feelings aren't hurt, Game.......