What are everyone’s thoughts on the summer travel season starting early due to so many school districts shutting down the high school seasons? I’d think the travel organizations will see the opportunity to start in April instead of end of May.
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Yep. I agree. And I think if things have calmed down by April that would be great!
I talked to two summer tournament promoters today that together account for a large number of the tourneys in Texas each summer. Both are looking at ways to start playing early since high school is likely to be shut down.
We played two today and have two scheduled for tomorrow. My son is scheduled to pitch the 2nd one tomorrow. I hope he gets the chance.
TerribleBPthrower posted:What are everyone’s thoughts on the summer travel season starting early due to so many school districts shutting down the high school seasons? I’d think the travel organizations will see the opportunity to start in April instead of end of May.
I still think y'all are being extremely optimistic. April is three weeks away. Zero indication this thing is likely to be trending down that soon, let alone allowing for new events to be planned that most likely won't be played. The better question is will the normal summer college and summer travel schedules be played out?
Right now optimism is what we have left.
The optimistic predictions I’ve heard from immunologists people is sometime in May for the virus to peak. So it won’t be until June or July that decisions are made regarding events moving forward. Other immunologists are predicting sometime in the fall.
The reality is it’s too early to know. Dr Anthony Fauci speaking in the CDC press conferences won’t make a prediction on when the situation will break. He will only say he expects it to get worse before it gets better.
To declare an epidemic over, two incubation periods must pass with no new infections.
Ebola has either reached or will shortly reach that point. Oh yes, that is still going on in some African countries.
Turning to this virus, that would mean 28 days of an area being without new cases.
In Italy's first townships to be locked down, the number of new daily infections is fewer than the day before. This is a key number (greater than 1.0 the disease is still gaining traction, less than 1.0 the disease is losing traction) it means (after a few days to confirm the data) that an inflection point in the curve has been reached and instead of an increasingly upward sloping graph, the delta has gone negative. South Korea is also at that point. At that point, some optimism is warranted.
In China (my wife is FB friends with some people there), the efforts to stop the virus seem to have worked - at the expense of all individual freedom. For example, every person is coded red, green or yellow based upon their health and travel history. Phones are monitored for travel, police demand health certificates from anyone on the street. Green allows free movement; red is confined to their homes. Every person is part of the surveillance scheme. But, it seems to have stopped the spread for now.
As to travel ball resuming, I'm assuming these kids and coaches have no grandparents, no high risk parents, spouses, siblings and also simply dont give a damn about anyone else's loved ones in the same catagories.
For gosh sake, have them read books and get ahead of their school work and not be one of those people who rush down to the shore to pick up the flopping fish exposed on the tidal flats as a tsunami approaches.
We are all in this together, and we are only as strong as that weakest Public Health link.
I'd like some to think granularly about the concept of resuming travel ball.
Yesterday, it was revealed that a college ref who had actually worked a tournament game a day or two before tested positive, so I'm assuming umpires and coaches dont have some kind of athletic immunity.
So, here's an example: infected ump throws ball to pitcher, pitcher licks fingers, positions ball, delivers to catcher. Spinning ball throws off saliva. This goes on for seven innings, both teams. HOW DO YOU PROTECT THE PLAYERS?
Goose, I think most people (at least I do) agree with you. But, There is nothing wrong with holding out hope (as unlikely as it is) that maybe we don’t screw this up and can start getting back to normal again as soon as possible. It’s a message board where most of us have something in common that we are all passionate about. For me, this place is probably my favorite escape from all the craziness going on around us. I can come here and chat with others on e topic of HS baseball before I have to go back and think about how long I can pay employees if they can’t work. Is any form of organized baseball gone for months to come, probably. Are there bigger issues than whether our kids will play this season, absolutely. But this one small corner of the internet provides a brief break in dealing with the stress and uncertainty of everything else in our lives right now.
I'm with you TBPT. I'm a pastor, one son owns a lawncare business, the other a college softball coach, and the other a freshman baseball player. I'm living it with everyone. If the economy crashes or this continues, my entire family is affected. If there is layoffs, people can't pay lawn guys, no softball no need for college softball coach, not giving to church so don't pay pastor. Mine is not the fact of baseball as a main point but the fact that people are making rash long-term decisions without knowing. I watched live the CDC video today, which is so out of the ordinary for me, and the head of CDC said use common sense. We don't know how bad this is going to be or if it is going to bad at all. I just want people to use common sense in dealing with it and making rash long-term decisions without the knowledge. No one knows what will happen. I keep hearing Italy and China but most of the US is not equivalent to Italy and China. I live in rural SC where a good baseball game has 200 people at it. I just don't want people to say we are not doing something 3 or 6 months from now today. We are having church on Sunday and I will start with use common sense. We do facebook live so if you are sick stay home. If you have a low immune system, stay home. If you are healthy and want to worship with us come. If you want to shake hands, do so and if you don't, don't.
"If you are healthy and want to worship with us come"
And pray tell, how do you know?
Here's a video of Gobert THE DAY BEFORE HIS TEST RESULTS CAME BACK POSITIVE. He gleefully contaminated the mics and recording devices of dozens of people; he knew, just knew mind you, that he didnt have it AND believed the virus issue was all hype. The result: the people who owned the stuff Gobert touched are now loving the next week, sleeping soundly, not concerned at all.
https://twitter.com/SportsReUp...914886220455938?s=09
"I keep hearing Italy and China but most of the US is not equivalent to Italy and China."
True we are in different continents. Apart from that, share the facts why our epidemic will unfold differently? PS, look at the trajectories of Spain, Germany, France, and Great Britain. Do we ignore that data?
It is true that some communities will be hit harder than others; an epidemic isn't like a rising tide over a mud flat, it is much closer to a meandering river - flooding some places while curving around others. So, how do you know which community you live in?
We are only as strong as the weakest Public Health link.
So I'm trying to understand what you want us to Goosegg. Do we stop going to work and stop shopping and just stay in our houses. What do doctors and nurses and law enforcement do? I would love to know what your plan is. What do you do for a living? Your son and daughter and wife?
Statistics have variables. While 1 in X high school players will become MLBers they all don’t have the same odds as Bryce Harper had. Italy has an older population than many counties. We don’t really know what’s going on in China. We think they didn’t react quickly in a proper manner.
Most people won’t get the virus or be aware they have the virus. Those who discover they have it are not likely to get violently ill and/or die. But the one thing that is static everywhere in the word and at every age is the potential to be a carrier. This ultimately puts those with the highest odds of having problems at risk.
I’m not likely to be at risk. I don’t have any health problems. I’ve been living my normal schedule. I usually take the train or airport shuttle between southern Maine and the North Shore of Boston every week. I’ll probably start driving it. There’s been one case in Maine. The Boston area per capita is one of the worst in the country. Almost every case ties back to the Biogen conference people came in from all corners of the world. That Marriott has been shut down for scouring.
I took the train to Boston and went to a Celtics game ten days ago. If I had the opportunity I doubt I would attend a game now. A few days later I took the train back to Maine (live in both places). Not going to a game if I had the chance isn’t fear. It’s caution. There will be more games someday. I would have attended a BC baseball game outdoors with 400-500 people in attendance.
First, I understand your frustrations.
Second, we are all in this together and must learn about this situation together. Some of us are a bit more advanced on the timeline of epidemics - but everyone should be getting up to speed (so no judgements).
Third, I recognize that I am NOT an expert, but that there are experts in this field and that those experts are universal in their Public Health recommendations. So, I follow their advice.
Fourth, you clearly are a man needed in this crisis; you are trained and have an affinity to helping people, families, and communities. In short, you are a leader, and people follow leaders.
Fifth (and I hope this isn't presumptuous), ask the local health people what you and your congregation can do to volunteer. When schools are canceled, who feeds the kids who are in need? Who takes care of seniors who shouldn't be shopping? Are drivers needed to assist the medical effort?
You and your fellow religious leaders can indeed make a huge difference and while doing so, we can all feel a bit less helpless and unmoored.
Be proactive, because by the time someone tests positive, the virus has gained a beachhead.
We are all going to do what we have to do, but at the same time take precautions that can help the safety of everyone. Are you going to preach about the coronavirus this Sunday? You have a powerful platform to shape action. Some churches have issued guidelines about how much contact to have. My 80+ mother-in-law asked if she should go to church, are you telling congregants like her to come? Knowing that contagious people who don't know they have the virus might be there? She doesn't use a computer. Using common sense is fine, but what level of common sense? How many people will be at your church, and how many ventilators does your rural hospital have? That is what is common sense, to me.
Doctors and nurses and public safety people are continuing to work, knowing the risks, and taking all the precautions they can. They are heroes. Teachers will be teaching in different ways that won't be as effective, but they are not sitting idle, they are in fact going nuts trying to figure out how to help their students without classrooms. Some businesses will be able to adapt (I saw restaurants trying to keep afloat by offering curbside pickup), the government will hopefully try to help people whose jobs cannot be sustained with isolation. It's a society-wide issue, in which we need to support each other. That's much better than having to have the government come in and MAKE us do it, which is what happened in China, Korea, and Italy. We have to buy into the idea that we all have to take action.
Re common sense ... I have a cousin who scored 1600 on her SAT’s. She graduated PBK from one of the most elite universities in the country (an Ivy). She was one of eight people selected for an elite graduate program. She’s book brilliant. She’s completely unaware she lacks common sense. I wouldn’t bet on her to find her way out of a paper bag if she was pointed towards the daylight.
This whole thing just blows my mind. As people have pointed out, this thing isn't going away. It will still be out there in May, June, July, etc. If a cure is found, won't be ready for a year. So do we cancel literally everything until May? To June? November? When?
At some point we have to live our lives. Hopefully soon it won't be affecting as many people. But to just cancel everything more than 2-3 weeks out is IMHO irrational. We need to get to a point where people will need to make their own decisions on whether or not they want to go out or participate in things. Otherwise educate as much as we can and allow our society to function. That includes athletics.
I am preaching on doing ministry Sunday. Which is a mindset not a list of things. But if you look at the life of Jesus you see that He searched for people in need and had a heart to help them. That is what we as individuals and churches are called to do. In this situation, we are to have open eyes and open hearts to help meet the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual needs of people. But you normally cannot meet the spiritual needs of people until you meet either physical, emotional, or mental needs of people. That is our plan. My series right now is how do we become the place that people look to for help in life. This virus is exactly what we have been centered on. Not the virus per se but in crisis the church should be the place people look to for help. For relationship, food, clothing, shelter, help, and love. So yes I'm speaking on it. I know all of us come across harsh on here at times, including me, but I really just am trying to get a feel for what people are going to do realistically with all of this. And as I finish my sermon which has changed drastically this week, how do we as Christians and a church help people through this. I think one of my biggest roles is to calm the chaos and help people understand that God is truly in control even when we do not realize it. He is not sitting in heaven wringing His hands wondering what He is going to do. we might not have the answer but He does. I just wish He would share it with me, now.
Didn't mean to take this on a spiritual way but it is my life. I know we try to keep politics and spiritual stuff off here but sometimes it all washes together.
Any ideas for other aspects of sermon greatly appreciated. You can PM is you like.
PitchingFan posted:I am preaching on doing ministry Sunday. Which is a mindset not a list of things. But if you look at the life of Jesus you see that He searched for people in need and had a heart to help them. That is what we as individuals and churches are called to do. In this situation, we are to have open eyes and open hearts to help meet the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual needs of people. But you normally cannot meet the spiritual needs of people until you meet either physical, emotional, or mental needs of people. That is our plan. My series right now is how do we become the place that people look to for help in life. This virus is exactly what we have been centered on. Not the virus per se but in crisis the church should be the place people look to for help. For relationship, food, clothing, shelter, help, and love. So yes I'm speaking on it. I know all of us come across harsh on here at times, including me, but I really just am trying to get a feel for what people are going to do realistically with all of this. And as I finish my sermon which has changed drastically this week, how do we as Christians and a church help people through this. I think one of my biggest roles is to calm the chaos and help people understand that God is truly in control even when we do not realize it. He is not sitting in heaven wringing His hands wondering what He is going to do. we might not have the answer but He does. I just wish He would share it with me, now.
Didn't mean to take this on a spiritual way but it is my life. I know we try to keep politics and spiritual stuff off here but sometimes it all washes together.
Any ideas for other aspects of sermon greatly appreciated. You can PM is you like.
Psalm 91?
"But to just cancel everything more than 2-3 weeks out is IMHO irrational."
Your credentials upon which you give this advice?
"We need to get to a point where people will need to make their own decisions on whether or not they want to go out or participate in things."
Just like Gobert did. He did his own thing.
Look, it's one thing to stand out in a thunderstorm holding a metal rod. It's ONLY you who are at risk and you made that decision upon whatever opinions, conclusions, and facts you weighed. The result is NBD: you, and only you, bare the consequences.
Why do YOU have the right to put PitchingFans mother, my daughter-in-law's 95 year old Grandmother at risk? You don't, for example, get to decide to get drunk and drive down a crowded sidewalk - but I'm all in favor of allowing that same person to drive off a cliff.
This is a societal public health problem and only as a society with a whole socieatal effort can we mitigate this problem.
Goosegg posted:"But to just cancel everything more than 2-3 weeks out is IMHO irrational."
Your credentials upon which you give this advice?
"We need to get to a point where people will need to make their own decisions on whether or not they want to go out or participate in things."
Just like Gobert did. He did his own thing.
Look, it's one thing to stand out in a thunderstorm holding a metal rod. It's ONLY you who are at risk and you made that decision upon whatever opinions, conclusions, and facts you weighed. The result is NBD: you, and only you, bare the consequences.
Why do YOU have the right to put PitchingFans mother, my daughter-in-law's 95 year old Grandmother at risk? You don't, for example, get to decide to get drunk and drive down a crowded sidewalk - but I'm all in favor of allowing that same person to drive off a cliff.
This is a societal public health problem and only as a society with a whole socieatal effort can we mitigate this problem.
I don't have credentials. That's why I put IMHO. It's an opinion, which I shared. Part of my opinion was that if people believe they are at risk and feel they shouldn't participate or go out in large population then they have the choice not to do so.
It is a societal health issue. My point, and my opinion, is that at some time society needs to educate as much as possible- provide resources- and return to living life as normal. My OPINION is that cancelling stuff in June for now is irrational. Cancelling stuff in May right now is irrational. Take things slow and evaluate. I'm sorry if my opinion set you off.
It's about spreading out the numbers of very sick people. Do you want someone you know to have a heart attack and be told that all the Intensive Care beds are full of coronavirus patients? So, it's not just about how much risk any individual wants to assume; your choice to do things that spread the virus affects people who are entirely unconnected to you. And vice versa.
I’m now saving money with GEICO and not buying the MLB package.
From PG website:
"Perfect Game will be cancelling/postponing all events until further notice. Our concern is the health and safety of the players, fans, staff, scouts and college coaches that attend PG events.
Somewhat related to this topic: just saw a couple Twitter posts of players organizing their own local leagues/teams to play games.
Goosegg posted:"But to just cancel everything more than 2-3 weeks out is IMHO irrational."
Your credentials upon which you give this advice?
"We need to get to a point where people will need to make their own decisions on whether or not they want to go out or participate in things."
Just like Gobert did. He did his own thing.
Look, it's one thing to stand out in a thunderstorm holding a metal rod. It's ONLY you who are at risk and you made that decision upon whatever opinions, conclusions, and facts you weighed. The result is NBD: you, and only you, bare the consequences.
Why do YOU have the right to put PitchingFans mother, my daughter-in-law's 95 year old Grandmother at risk? You don't, for example, get to decide to get drunk and drive down a crowded sidewalk - but I'm all in favor of allowing that same person to drive off a cliff.
This is a societal public health problem and only as a society with a whole socieatal effort can we mitigate this problem.
Oh, come on. Explain to me how people are more at risk by evaluating decisions every 2-3 weeks instead of months in advance. We don't all have to agree that they sky is falling. It might be, it might not. If its falling in 3 weeks and we extend 3 more, and if needed, we extend another 3...how is that worse than cancelling events 3 months away??? There are plenty of decisions that we in America get to make that aren't always in the best interest of others. We aren't China and we aren't held in our house at gunpoint...and thank God.
RJM posted:Re common sense ... I have a cousin who scored 1600 on her SAT’s. She graduated PBK from one of the most elite universities in the country (an Ivy). She was one of eight people selected for an elite graduate program. She’s book brilliant. She’s completely unaware she lacks common sense. I wouldn’t bet on her to find her way out of a paper bag if she was pointed towards the daylight.
Had to laugh at this.
Be careful of certain congregations. You can be sued for murder.
DesertDuck posted:PitchingFan posted:I am preaching on doing ministry Sunday. Which is a mindset not a list of things. But if you look at the life of Jesus you see that He searched for people in need and had a heart to help them. That is what we as individuals and churches are called to do. In this situation, we are to have open eyes and open hearts to help meet the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual needs of people. But you normally cannot meet the spiritual needs of people until you meet either physical, emotional, or mental needs of people. That is our plan. My series right now is how do we become the place that people look to for help in life. This virus is exactly what we have been centered on. Not the virus per se but in crisis the church should be the place people look to for help. For relationship, food, clothing, shelter, help, and love. So yes I'm speaking on it. I know all of us come across harsh on here at times, including me, but I really just am trying to get a feel for what people are going to do realistically with all of this. And as I finish my sermon which has changed drastically this week, how do we as Christians and a church help people through this. I think one of my biggest roles is to calm the chaos and help people understand that God is truly in control even when we do not realize it. He is not sitting in heaven wringing His hands wondering what He is going to do. we might not have the answer but He does. I just wish He would share it with me, now.
Didn't mean to take this on a spiritual way but it is my life. I know we try to keep politics and spiritual stuff off here but sometimes it all washes together.
Any ideas for other aspects of sermon greatly appreciated. You can PM is you like.
I have an idea....Tell your congregation to not vote democrat for president!
Can we PLEASE keep politics off this site? (That goes for those of you who liked this post, too.) Let's argue about sabermetrics, the Astros, pitch counts--baseball stuff. Heck, we can talk about the wisdom of cancelling HS and college baseball this spring, the fact there is no TP available for sale... religious/spiritual matters even. Anything, but politics, please. Nobody wants to hear you argue that COVID-19 is actually all Obama's fault, OR that Trump is the real reason we didn't get the epidemic under control in January.
DesertDuck, I'm happy to engage in debate/disagreement with you. But if you want to talk politics, there are many other sites where you can do it. This community has long tried to avoid that minefield. And I think that is wise, because political discussions tend to promote a lot of conflict and ill will without furthering the things this site is about. If you want to respond by taunting or baiting me, that's on you.
