Check this site out. It looks amazing for explosive workouts. Pretty much a how to on all of the olympic lifts plus others. It was referred to me by my son's college strength and conditioning coach.
Enjoy!
http://www.crossfit.com/
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Cross fit is good and bad...but I would stay away from it with baseball players.
check out this piece that Eric Cressey wrote about it: http://ericcressey.com/crossfit-for-baseball
Instead of crossfit, read up on cressey's stuff.
check out this piece that Eric Cressey wrote about it: http://ericcressey.com/crossfit-for-baseball
Instead of crossfit, read up on cressey's stuff.
I read through his stuff and he has a point on some of his comments, however (and he straight forward atbout this) in that he says his stuff is better for baseball players and then wants you to buy it, which is fine, but just be aware he is selling his stuff.
I don't think you can make a blanket statement and say "stay away from it for baseball players" since many of the lifts are exactly what are needed for baseball players.
My son's stength and coniditioning coach takes stuff from them and others and blends together a specific progam for position players and for pitchers. His assigned WOD's are his, not from the cross fit site.
The nice thing about this site is it allows players to get an idea on the proper form for a specific lift type all in one place and is free. For example my son was assigned a workout, and he was not sure on the exact form, so he went to the site and looked it over and went off to the gym.
It is not intended to be a catch all just another resource.
I don't think you can make a blanket statement and say "stay away from it for baseball players" since many of the lifts are exactly what are needed for baseball players.
My son's stength and coniditioning coach takes stuff from them and others and blends together a specific progam for position players and for pitchers. His assigned WOD's are his, not from the cross fit site.
The nice thing about this site is it allows players to get an idea on the proper form for a specific lift type all in one place and is free. For example my son was assigned a workout, and he was not sure on the exact form, so he went to the site and looked it over and went off to the gym.
It is not intended to be a catch all just another resource.
I do believe CrossFit has its benefits for athletes. But one should be very careful with what they pick and choose from these workouts because they can lead to trouble in a hurry. I have not read Eric's post, but I know many of the strength coaches at that level are not fans of CrossFit whatsoever.
Yeah I agree that it is a good resource for knowing how to do an exercise...but then I clicked on the exersise link and saw some not-so-great form on deadlift. Granted I did not spend too much time going through all of the video database, but if the deadlift instructional guy has a rounded back, I think I'll stop there. Just be careful with what is free online with regards to training.
Back to cressey...I, like he, wouldn't trust anyone but himself with my programming. I started training at his place this fall (coming off of season ending elbow surgery), and I am now more healthy, strong, and fast than I have ever been. Remarkable stuff. Moral of the story - if you have the money, don't be afraid to get the best training you can get.
Back to cressey...I, like he, wouldn't trust anyone but himself with my programming. I started training at his place this fall (coming off of season ending elbow surgery), and I am now more healthy, strong, and fast than I have ever been. Remarkable stuff. Moral of the story - if you have the money, don't be afraid to get the best training you can get.
CrossFit is a physical therapist's best friend...
quote:Originally posted by ABR10OT:
CrossFit is a physical therapist's best friend...
Haha, no doubt. My PT friends that I refer clients out to (not all that much, I might add) say they've seen an exponential increase in shoulder and hip injuries with the rise of CF-style training.
High-rep Olympic lifts for conditioning for novice lifters? Terrible idea for the general population. The words I want to use to describe this type of training for baseball pitchers are too foul to post here... so I won't.
"High-rep Olympic lifts for conditioning for novice lifters? Terrible idea for the general population. The words I want to use to describe this type of training for baseball pitchers are too foul to post here... so I won't."
Amen sir, amen.
Amen sir, amen.
A big criticism of CrossFit is high reps of Olympic lifts with poor form.
I think it has some value, and may be of more or less value to someone depending on individual needs and skills.
I think it has some value, and may be of more or less value to someone depending on individual needs and skills.
Hey here are some more Work out website for on oe off season:
baseballtrainingsecrets.com/
pbt.vidstructor.com/
baseballtrainingsecrets.com/
pbt.vidstructor.com/
I'm going to second (or third?) the comment that high rep olympic lifting is a bad idea... for novices, for experts, for athletes, for average joes.
Even when executed with perfect form the moves put unnecessary stress on valuable joints for baseball players.
The catch position in the clean asks for tremendous wrist flexibility which takes olympic lifters years to develop and they still use wrist wraps in training to absorb the impact of the catch. Asking a baseball player to perform that movement as best they can without proper wrist flexibility will put them on the DL for sure.
The snatch also presents a hazard in the overhead catch position. As any quality baseball strength coach will tell you, loading overhead is asking for injury. Imgingment, labral fryaing, GIRD, etc. Now to "catch" a barbell in that position? No Thanks!
If I am going to clean or snatch my ballplayers it is going to be strictly for the explosive hip extension with low rep ranges with plenty of rest between sets and dumbbells or kettlebells as the tool of choice to get them unlocked from the 7 feet of steel.
As for Cressey selling stuff... yeah he does. And it's a bargain at any price. Having presented with him and consulted with him for my college teams I can tell you that he is a front runner in the world of baseball strength & conditioning who happens to make a very good living providing high quality information on the internet (mostly for free). One word of warning - he talks fast, talks quietly, and talks very scientifically...
Even when executed with perfect form the moves put unnecessary stress on valuable joints for baseball players.
The catch position in the clean asks for tremendous wrist flexibility which takes olympic lifters years to develop and they still use wrist wraps in training to absorb the impact of the catch. Asking a baseball player to perform that movement as best they can without proper wrist flexibility will put them on the DL for sure.
The snatch also presents a hazard in the overhead catch position. As any quality baseball strength coach will tell you, loading overhead is asking for injury. Imgingment, labral fryaing, GIRD, etc. Now to "catch" a barbell in that position? No Thanks!
If I am going to clean or snatch my ballplayers it is going to be strictly for the explosive hip extension with low rep ranges with plenty of rest between sets and dumbbells or kettlebells as the tool of choice to get them unlocked from the 7 feet of steel.
As for Cressey selling stuff... yeah he does. And it's a bargain at any price. Having presented with him and consulted with him for my college teams I can tell you that he is a front runner in the world of baseball strength & conditioning who happens to make a very good living providing high quality information on the internet (mostly for free). One word of warning - he talks fast, talks quietly, and talks very scientifically...
quote:Originally posted by CoachDan:
....for average joes.
The catch position in the clean asks for tremendous wrist flexibility which takes olympic lifters years to develop and they still use wrist wraps in The
snatch also presents a hazard in the overhead catch position. ....
Agree with you coach except cleans (properly done with good form/training) are probably the single best lift a baseball player can do. Certainly not at high reps. Over time they also help develop flexibility in the wrist which is a good thing for a baseball player. Also squats should be primarily "front" which also puts a premium on flexibility and form.
Agree forget snatches.
High reps should be boxes along with kettle bells. and medicine ball work. The other thing that is often forgotten are good old fashion sprints.
Form is so important in all lifting, because without it you are putting unessary strain on tendons and joints.
I like cleans; we use variants of them in our baseball training program depending on the athlete (they are obvious includes in the two-sport athletes we have for football/baseball and field throwing/baseball).
Frontal power is a little more important for fastball velocity, so after they can clean a respectable amount, we focus a lot on lateral power and explosiveness.
Frontal power is a little more important for fastball velocity, so after they can clean a respectable amount, we focus a lot on lateral power and explosiveness.