Fungo
Are you saying there are not "combines" for football?
quote:There are "combines"for football which are essentially showcases
True TR, but there are not showcases where games are played. I have actually worked a high school combine.. you will not find a single football there!
As a parent, have you ever caught your kid doing something that you could not believe, at that instant, he or she would ever do? Your response is something like.
You are not allowed to step out of your room for solid year.
or
You will never see that bike again!
or
No baseball for 3 weeks
All of a sudden the emotion settles down and the initial punishment is reduced to a realistic level. However, a point has been made and the kid has probably learned a lesson and will think twice before doing something like that again.
In this case, the players went outide the line and the coach reacted. We can all guess what the specifics of the situation are, and I'll bet the adrenalin is running amuk and once the smoke has cleared, apologies have been made, and opinions from all sides are fleshed out, a compromised punishment will be made.
The bad part of todays world is having news stories break where the public neither has complete knowedge nor the right to critcize without all the facts.
You are not allowed to step out of your room for solid year.
or
You will never see that bike again!
or
No baseball for 3 weeks
All of a sudden the emotion settles down and the initial punishment is reduced to a realistic level. However, a point has been made and the kid has probably learned a lesson and will think twice before doing something like that again.
In this case, the players went outide the line and the coach reacted. We can all guess what the specifics of the situation are, and I'll bet the adrenalin is running amuk and once the smoke has cleared, apologies have been made, and opinions from all sides are fleshed out, a compromised punishment will be made.
The bad part of todays world is having news stories break where the public neither has complete knowedge nor the right to critcize without all the facts.
Yeah suspending them forever is way too extreme. The coach must of been a Rays fan.
All-starshortstop3 - No Rays fan would ever do that!! 
Cowbell torture techniques might be used, though...
Cowbell torture techniques might be used, though...
Watch for this story about next August:
Either the kids are back on the team or the coach is axed; and then the kids are back on the team. I'd bet a big bag of sunflower seeds he can't keep
'em off team next year. (and if they can block and tackle, they'll be out there playing)
Either the kids are back on the team or the coach is axed; and then the kids are back on the team. I'd bet a big bag of sunflower seeds he can't keep
'em off team next year. (and if they can block and tackle, they'll be out there playing)
TRHit
No, I know there are football recruiting combines that are essentially a football showcase. I was telling Bulldog he was correct in that I didn't realize "we" were talking about football players. Moot point really. Being cut from a HS team whether it be baseball or football should be left up to the coach.
Players know what the rules are. I received 100's of whippings as a kid and I was only surprised ONE time as to why I got a whipping.
Fungo
No, I know there are football recruiting combines that are essentially a football showcase. I was telling Bulldog he was correct in that I didn't realize "we" were talking about football players. Moot point really. Being cut from a HS team whether it be baseball or football should be left up to the coach.
Players know what the rules are. I received 100's of whippings as a kid and I was only surprised ONE time as to why I got a whipping.
Fungo
RJM has most of the story correct...but the kids were not given a lifetime ban. Just off for the rest of the season.
quote:the kids were not given a lifetime ban. Just off for the rest of the season.
Well, that makes more sense.
I added what I had heard from parents that was being discussed behind the scenes. The coach doesn't have the right to ban them. He does have the right to cut them regardless of talent. What I think will happen is the coach will calm down by next summer. The loss that night gave his team a losing record for the first time in several years. Football coaches tend to be egomaniacs (not all, so settle down those who aren't). I played for a coaching staff full of them in high school.quote:Originally posted by dad43:
RJM has most of the story correct...but the kids were not given a lifetime ban. Just off for the rest of the season.
I was discussing this with my son at dinner. He said a lot of athletes from his high school went to the parade and played that evening or weekend legally. Since school starts at 7:30, if a kid gets legally dismissed with a note after 10:30 it is considered a day of attendance. So if a kid has a note "Please excuse Johhny from school for a dentist appointment at 10:30am, it's OK.
Another nearby high school didn't allow their band to participate at the football game that evening. Too many skipped school that day. They weren't tossed for the season.
If Cole Hamels wasn't such a doggone good pitcher those kids in the Philly area would have been in school.... Hamels: a menace to Education! 
If the Cubs won the World Series, all HS Students, grade school and college students would be required to attend the parade as a mandatory school function. Except the South Side of course.
Good thing they didn't cut Jamie Moyer for skipping school to go to the Phillies parade. How ironic!
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
If the Cubs won the World Series, all HS Students, grade school and college students would be required to attend the parade as a mandatory school function. Except the South Side of course.
If the Cubs won the world series you could all come over to my house for pork chops because pigs would be flying out my butt.
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Your comment CPLZ reminded me that the Wizard of Oz is on tonight!
Your comment CPLZ reminded me that the Wizard of Oz is on tonight!
Played football years ago inadvertently left my helmet outside of my locker where I set it on top. Next day the coach called me in and asked me if I knew where my helmet was. I said in my locker. He said go check, I did and found it missing. Went back to the coach and he told me that I would be suspended from two games, and I was a starting lineman on the varsity team that went to three city championships and won two. Then he proceeded to make me run extra laps and sprints for the rest of the season. From that day on I made it my goal to always put things back where they belong.
Unless these two players asked and were granted permission to miss gameday for a parade I have to go along with the coach. These players will learn to be more responsible for their experience.
IMHO
Unless these two players asked and were granted permission to miss gameday for a parade I have to go along with the coach. These players will learn to be more responsible for their experience.
IMHO
quote:Originally posted by Fungo:
Lifetime ban from baseball? Come on --- let's not give high school baseball more credit that it deserves. I have had college coaches tell me that high school baseball can actually be detrimental to a talented player's baseball future. I'm pro high school baseball and enjoyed the years my son played high school baseball but high school baseball did not prepare him for college or pro baseball. The summer team, showcase and outside training are much more important as far as moving up to the next level. High school baseball is an experience ---- not a launching pad or a proving ground. Granted there are players that would suffer by being banned from a high school team but that would be the player that wouldn't play college baseball anyway. I say the coach needs to run his program as he sees fit. Playing high school sports is a privilege --- not a right.
Fungo
Fungo, I usually enjoy your posts, but I think this one is inappropriate on this HighSchoolBaseballWeb site. I think the above statement with regard to a player and his high school performance is just not true, and in bad form to in essence, advise all who read here that high school baseball "can actually be detrimental to a talented player's baseball future".
WOW. Way to squash hopes and dreams, and send everyone to "travel ball" and "showcasing" that many cannot afford. Let's just flip the switch already and declare the "have" and the "have nots" in baseball. It sends a message that if you are affluent, can pay for travel, lessons, and showcasing, you are in the elite world of baseball. If you cannot afford these things, (at least in the USA) I guess you just stop playing and why try to make the high school team? No one is looking, right Fungo? Doesn't matter if you have talent, if you are not showcasing and travel balling it, you do not exist, right?
Do you have a good number to post as to the number of individual players that play travel ball and showcase each year that never, ever get a sniff from anyone??? What are the percentages?
My kids play/played in a high school league that is very competitive - and there are many of them in California. Scouts from JUCO to Pro come to games in our league and many, many leagues up and down the state - SoCal is the traditional hotbed, but NorthernCalifornia is emerging also as well as our Central Valley.
I am not saying that travel/showcasing is not important. It is, but for you to say that playing in high school is a detriment, could not be farther from the truth.
Many high schools do prepare there players for the next level.
iheartbb, I agree with you 100%. 
Fungo is one of our great posters, but even great posters can be wrong. I think he's wrong on this one for sure.
Why on earth do our sons play baseball? Do they play for the pipe dream of someday earning a spot on a Major League roster? To impress mom and dad with Sparq scores, PG scores, or 60 times? Or do they do it because of little league trophies, writeups in the press? Or maybe getting drafted and getting a college scholarship.
No way. They do it because they love the game of baseball. All the stuff that comes with it is because they are good.
I think Bum, Jr. would trade all his awards and accolades, all of his press, and all of his records for one more day on the high school baseball field. It is where dreams are made.
Fungo is one of our great posters, but even great posters can be wrong. I think he's wrong on this one for sure.
Why on earth do our sons play baseball? Do they play for the pipe dream of someday earning a spot on a Major League roster? To impress mom and dad with Sparq scores, PG scores, or 60 times? Or do they do it because of little league trophies, writeups in the press? Or maybe getting drafted and getting a college scholarship.
No way. They do it because they love the game of baseball. All the stuff that comes with it is because they are good.
I think Bum, Jr. would trade all his awards and accolades, all of his press, and all of his records for one more day on the high school baseball field. It is where dreams are made.
quote:Fungo, I usually enjoy your posts, but I think this one is inappropriate on this HighSchoolBaseballWeb site. I think the above statement with regard to a player and his high school performance is just not true, and in bad form to in essence, advise all who read here that high school baseball "can actually be detrimental to a talented player's baseball future".
iheartbaseball, Sorry you didn't get any "enjoyment" from my post.
I do apologize if someone gets the impression that high school baseball is an exercise in futility. It is not. It is a great experience as I indicated in my post. I do stand by my statement that in my opinion is not a launching pad or proving ground to get to the next level. I generalized about the quality of HS baseball in that statement because I know there are strong HS program that are the exception --- but they are few. I on the other hand think it is remiss for someone to proclaim that HS baseball will launch their baseball futures. I have seen MANY high school players rely on the HS team and the HS coach for their baseball futures only to realize they could have and should have done more over the past 4 years and they are left scrambling for a spot on a bench. I will fuel the fire by adding that most high school coaches do little to promote their players. Take the time to re-read my post and note THREE things:
1. I singled out one group of players -- the TALENTED players. (I understand that I may define talent differently than you) and:
2. I was simply quoting what I have been told by more than one college coach when I wrote: high school baseball can be detrimental to a player's future. Trust me I'm not making this up --- it's a FACT.
3. Note the word CAN in the phrase "can be detrimental". That one little word says a lot. "CAN" is much different that "IS".
You misunderstood because you mistakenly misquoted me when you said: but for you to say that playing in high school is a detriment, could not be farther from the truth.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT!!! YOU inserted "IS" which changes the whole meaning.
One example: My son's college coach suggested that I pull him off his high school team to protect his arm. He said (without hesitation) that too many high school coaches "ruin" talented arms with overuse. Talented player + HS baseball = detrimental to his future
You make mention of the "have" and the "have nots" in baseball: Glad you brought that up. There will always see "haves" and "have nots" everywhere we look. Of course one assumes you are talking about MONEY here but the real haves and have nots in baseball are determined by TALENT and not by money. Anyone that reads the HSBBW knows I have always been firm in my opinion that money is not the major contributing factor in a player's future --- it is TALENT. I have always had a frugal approach to my son's baseball. While many parent chose to spend money on PG events and Area Code games I declined those invitations and my son stayed at home working out at the house. Rice buckets, discarded netting (from the local college), broomstick bats and whiffle balls along with homemade contraptions I constructed made up his "gym". I admit he did play for a high profile summer team but his fees $0.00. His travel cost $0.00 (the team had great sponsorship). Yes I spent a lot of money traveling around the country following his baseball. New York, California, Cape Cod, Washington State, Michigan to Florida and just about every state in between --- but that expense was ME spending MY money chasing MY son --- NOT me spending money so he could chase HIS dream.
Fungo
While this post originally was about football I might mention that I also saved some $$'s with some homemade contraptions that helped him with his football too. He didn't do the combines --- he just worked in the back yard (as the newspaper article explains).
fungo
very cruel joke, putting that newspaper article in your post. i've got my glasses on, my spy glass in hand .still can't read those tiny words.
very cruel joke, putting that newspaper article in your post. i've got my glasses on, my spy glass in hand .still can't read those tiny words.
20's dad ,
Oh just the normal everyday hype. Not much news around here unless we have a tornado. It's mostly about "backyard practice" and work ethic and what it can do for an athlete more than anything else. Kinda dispels the myth that you have to spend lots of money to get better.
Fungo
,Oh just the normal everyday hype. Not much news around here unless we have a tornado. It's mostly about "backyard practice" and work ethic and what it can do for an athlete more than anything else. Kinda dispels the myth that you have to spend lots of money to get better.
Fungo
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I can't read the article either 20dad, but knowing Fungo the contraption that was used most in the backyard was most likely this...
I can't read the article either 20dad, but knowing Fungo the contraption that was used most in the backyard was most likely this...
I have to agree with Fungo's original post.
Fungo,
You are right, I did misquote you at the very end of my post, my apologies.
Why would you and I define talent differently?
For a good many folks, "The summer team, showcase and outside training..." all cost $$$$$.
I suppose that over use of a young man's arm could happen on any team.
Did all of those capital letters mean you were yelling at me?
You are right, I did misquote you at the very end of my post, my apologies.
Why would you and I define talent differently?
For a good many folks, "The summer team, showcase and outside training..." all cost $$$$$.
I suppose that over use of a young man's arm could happen on any team.
Did all of those capital letters mean you were yelling at me?
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NO!!! OF COURSE NOT!!! DON'T BE SILLY!!!
quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
Did all of those capital letters mean you were yelling at me?
NO!!! OF COURSE NOT!!! DON'T BE SILLY!!!
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