What would our parents opinions be of Bobby Knight and his coaching concepts when we were college age?
I'm afraid many parents would use the "out" of saying it was a different "time" with different "attitudes". Does that mean that they were wrong in how they interpruted authority and delivered punishment? Or, as Will suggested we acknowledge the fact that kids are not as tough as they use to be. Now, whos at fault with that outcome?. It almost looks like one of those "dammed if you do and dammed if you don't type scenarios".
quote:Originally posted by Will:
No matter what happened kids today are just not as tough as they were years past.
A gross generality borne of ignorance of current events. Open a newspaper old man.
Dad04,
Without putting our kids who are active, aggressive, and goal oriented into the equation, do you feel that todays youth in general have the same backbone as kids did when we were growing up?
Without putting our kids who are active, aggressive, and goal oriented into the equation, do you feel that todays youth in general have the same backbone as kids did when we were growing up?
....do you feel that todays youth in general have the same backbone as kids did when we were growing up?
...If not....then more. This generations courage and toughness is absolutely unquestioned. They have signed up for active duty, Guard duty and the Reserves like Hitler was at the gate..performing heroicly.
quote:Originally posted by rz1:
Dad04,
Without putting our kids who are active, aggressive, and goal oriented into the equation, do you feel that todays youth in general have the same backbone as kids did when we were growing up?
I think some are not as tough - some are as tough - and some are tougher.
Pretty much the same old same old.
quote:Pretty much the same old same old.
-Aristotle 215 B.C.quote:Young people are in a condition like permanent intoxication, because youth is sweet and they are growing.
Dirty pool John with that pic, I initially got piissed at myself for making my comment 
. I am generalizing about this generation as a whole.
My point is that there were more kids out for sports, school groups, and working when not in school. When I was 16 years old everyone had a job. Everything from mowing lawns, pumping gas, serving Big Macs, selling clothes, scooping ice cream, and whatever else was available. We did more homework, walked more places, said thank-you more often, and didn't have the option of volunteering for armed service duty, we were told to go.
I love the pic and have the utmost respect. However those guys are a small percentage of this generation that have the "package" to put their lives on the line. There are many that still have that attitude and maybe I am over generalizing when talking of the video game generation. But something seems amuck.
. I am generalizing about this generation as a whole.My point is that there were more kids out for sports, school groups, and working when not in school. When I was 16 years old everyone had a job. Everything from mowing lawns, pumping gas, serving Big Macs, selling clothes, scooping ice cream, and whatever else was available. We did more homework, walked more places, said thank-you more often, and didn't have the option of volunteering for armed service duty, we were told to go.
I love the pic and have the utmost respect. However those guys are a small percentage of this generation that have the "package" to put their lives on the line. There are many that still have that attitude and maybe I am over generalizing when talking of the video game generation. But something seems amuck.
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Man, I go away for a few hours and I miss...this!
Simple, he wins consistently so he is above the law. Ths school fell right in line. If he was losing?
If he did not have a winning reputation...
To answer the question...My kids? Fine...lifting the chin, holding them by the shoulder when needed OK, touching at some level is simply a part of coaching...
...Slapping is not.
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Man, I go away for a few hours and I miss...this!
Simple, he wins consistently so he is above the law. Ths school fell right in line. If he was losing?
To answer the question...My kids? Fine...lifting the chin, holding them by the shoulder when needed OK, touching at some level is simply a part of coaching...
...Slapping is not.
44
I dont know about this "generation" - all I know is that I would be very very disappointed if either of my sons did not attempt to defend themselves when being physically manhandled by anyone - including an adult.
If someone grabs your throat - or slaps your face - or kicks you - I would hope you had the sand to do everything you could to stop the attacker from continuing.
Win or lose - you are not supposed to be someone's punching bag.
And you shouldnt just stand by and watch it either. We are supposed to be our brother's keeper. We are not supposed to watch a guy - like Bobby Knight - physically abuse people and do nothing about it.
He makes me sick.
Justifying this gutless, profane old man's behavior is just plain wrong IMO.
If someone grabs your throat - or slaps your face - or kicks you - I would hope you had the sand to do everything you could to stop the attacker from continuing.
Win or lose - you are not supposed to be someone's punching bag.
And you shouldnt just stand by and watch it either. We are supposed to be our brother's keeper. We are not supposed to watch a guy - like Bobby Knight - physically abuse people and do nothing about it.
He makes me sick.
Justifying this gutless, profane old man's behavior is just plain wrong IMO.
quote:Originally posted by rz1:
Dirty pool John with that pic, I initially got piissed at myself for making my comment
My point is that there were more kids out for sports, school groups, and working when not in school. When I was 16 years old everyone had a job. Everything from mowing lawns, pumping gas, serving Big Macs, selling clothes, scooping ice cream, and whatever else was available. We did more homework, walked more places, said thank-you more often, and didn't have the option of volunteering for armed service duty, we were told to go.
I love the pic and have the utmost respect. However those guys are a small percentage of this generation that have the "package" to put their lives on the line. There are many that still have that attitude and maybe I am over generalizing when talking of the video game generation. But something seems amuck.
Well...987,000 have been to the Middle East since 9/11. I can only comment anecdotaly, as you have. With 2% unemployment here, one of the the highest enlistment rates where my son matriculates in Louisiana, along with the State of Florida, kids bagging groceries, driving trucks, throwing blocks, picks and strikes, and banging cash registers or nails every where I go, I guess I'm seeing things a little differently, but thats ok.
What I have noticed over the year's about Bobby Knight.
For 1, He demand's Respect from his Player's?
But, To get Respect you Must Show Respect.
He show's absolutely no respect for anybody.
Slapping another coach on the head??
And How he treat's the Media Type's with contempt.
I think Bobby need's to meet Mr. Motivational speaker.
Larry Tate and his band of Trunk Monkey's.
They will show Bobby a taste of his own Medicine.
EH
For 1, He demand's Respect from his Player's?
But, To get Respect you Must Show Respect.
He show's absolutely no respect for anybody.
Slapping another coach on the head??
And How he treat's the Media Type's with contempt.
I think Bobby need's to meet Mr. Motivational speaker.
Larry Tate and his band of Trunk Monkey's.
They will show Bobby a taste of his own Medicine.
EH
wonder how many of Knight's critics would give back a 1/4 million $$ salary for self-perceived under-performance??
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If I was good enough to recieve a basketball scholarship from Texas Tech...I would definantly play for Bob Knight. 100% yes
I would have no problem letting my son play for coach Knight if I felt that his game and his personality would be a good fit with the coach. Someone once asked Larry Bird if he could have played for Knight, Bird said, "Coach Knight and I would have gotten along just fine, he would have loved my game." If my kid had a problem with discipline, maybe Knight isn't the best choice.
The cynical side of me thinks that Sportscenter called up coach Knight and told him they needed to fill the midweek hours between football on the weekends and could he help them out. He then gives a 6'7" 20 yr. old a quick attention getter and Bingo!, Sportscenter has its ratings for the week. Nice job all around.
The cynical side of me thinks that Sportscenter called up coach Knight and told him they needed to fill the midweek hours between football on the weekends and could he help them out. He then gives a 6'7" 20 yr. old a quick attention getter and Bingo!, Sportscenter has its ratings for the week. Nice job all around.
quote:The cynical side of me thinks that Sportscenter called up coach Knight and told him they needed to fill the midweek hours between football on the weekends and could he help them out. He then gives a 6'7" 20 yr. old a quick attention getter and Bingo!, Sportscenter has its ratings for the week. Nice job all around.
Dear Old Dad - I have got to tell you that your cynical side has gotten my cynical side to say it wouldn't surprise me
dear old dad, lol, yeah after knight school. well you just never know!
i would play for coach knight anyday. I believe coach kinght is a great coach and he was getting into the kids face because he believed that wwas the best way to get the kid to respond on the court.
besides that was just a love tap, like knight told espn, the kid wasnt looking him in the eye, so knight made him look him in the eye. no problem.
itsinthegame, dont know why you would want your sons to do that? dumb IMO. if you dont like it tell him after the game aside in his office. stand up for yourself in other cases, not something like that.
i would play for coach knight anyday. I believe coach kinght is a great coach and he was getting into the kids face because he believed that wwas the best way to get the kid to respond on the court.
besides that was just a love tap, like knight told espn, the kid wasnt looking him in the eye, so knight made him look him in the eye. no problem.
itsinthegame, dont know why you would want your sons to do that? dumb IMO. if you dont like it tell him after the game aside in his office. stand up for yourself in other cases, not something like that.
First question: NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIME NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second question. My son has been taught that he does not hit someone unless he is hit first. If he is hit first he will hit back. And if he doesn't, he will hear [and previously has heard] an earfull from me.
TW344
Second question. My son has been taught that he does not hit someone unless he is hit first. If he is hit first he will hit back. And if he doesn't, he will hear [and previously has heard] an earfull from me.
TW344
quote:Originally posted by TW344:
Second question. My son has been taught that he does not hit someone unless he is hit first. If he is hit first he will hit back. And if he doesn't, he will hear [and previously has heard] an earfull from me.
TW344
I dunno, we told son if he is ever hit first he is to walk away, and if he ever feels like hitting first he is to walk away also.
Most school and college rules involve dismissal for anyone caught fighting (no matter who hits who first).
Am I missing something? But many that advocate no hitting say if you are hit, hit back.
Just food for thought!
...and take that to the employmet site as well. If hit first and you are able to walk away....you best do it....otherwise....you'll both probably be terminated....regardless of who started it....arbitrated a few of these cases....and there were no reinstatements ordered....terminations were upheld....so best teach your boys well....playgrounds are different from organizations....(in some ways ).
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Rock,
It is not nice to call a fellow poster dumb. It is better than the reaction Bobby Knight might respond with (LOL) - but still not nice.
And yes - I am a bit slow.
It is not nice to call a fellow poster dumb. It is better than the reaction Bobby Knight might respond with (LOL) - but still not nice.
And yes - I am a bit slow.
quote:A gross generality borne of ignorance of current events. Open a newspaper old man.
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Open a newspaper old man
I read the newspaper everyday If you think I question the toughness and determination of the men and woman who serve our country in the military I take exception. they are a select few.
My comments were in refernce to the coaching atmosphere today.
As far as being an old man. Experience is the best teacher.
A couple of things here:
You need to to sit in on some college practices if you have not already done so-not the games --but college practices for any sport--you would all get quite an education
What about football coaches who pull face masks, hit the top of the helmet etc?
Did any of you see the Texas Tech game a day or two later? Coach emphasized his "touching" aspect
Now a personal aspect with Coach Knight---my son was recruited by Coach for hoops back in the early 90's---the first letter said nothing about basketball-- it was all about academics and personal discipline
YES!!! MY SON(S) CAN PLAY FOR COACH KNIGHT AND IN A HEARTBEAT. FOR ME THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIS WAY OF COACHING. WE NEED A BIT OF TOUGHNESS--OUR KIDS ARE GETTING TOO SOFT !!
You need to to sit in on some college practices if you have not already done so-not the games --but college practices for any sport--you would all get quite an education
What about football coaches who pull face masks, hit the top of the helmet etc?
Did any of you see the Texas Tech game a day or two later? Coach emphasized his "touching" aspect
Now a personal aspect with Coach Knight---my son was recruited by Coach for hoops back in the early 90's---the first letter said nothing about basketball-- it was all about academics and personal discipline
YES!!! MY SON(S) CAN PLAY FOR COACH KNIGHT AND IN A HEARTBEAT. FOR ME THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIS WAY OF COACHING. WE NEED A BIT OF TOUGHNESS--OUR KIDS ARE GETTING TOO SOFT !!
Trhit
WE NEED A BIT OF TOUGHNESS--OUR KIDS ARE GETTING TOO SOFT !!
I guess like me you are not the warm and fuzzy type that endears themselves to todays kids.
I have been in education for 35 years and of those 25 I was a coach. Being around the block a few times and just through my experience(something that all the books and so called experts never give you) I have seen a dramatic change. A change not fascilitated by the kids but some that let the kids do what you let them.
As a teacher I am not their friend or buddy. I am not there to cut them a break or as they ask "let me slide" They do not perform they reap the benefits of poor performance. and on the other hand if they do perform well it is
specifically reflected in their grade. Oh yes I hear all the excuses why they dont perform. I could write a book.
As a coach if the kid did not perform he was replaced by somebody who could.
Is that being harsh or old fashioned?
Maybe when they get out in the real world and have a real job and find out how the real world works they will appreciate what others have called old fashioned or old school.
WE NEED A BIT OF TOUGHNESS--OUR KIDS ARE GETTING TOO SOFT !!
I guess like me you are not the warm and fuzzy type that endears themselves to todays kids.
I have been in education for 35 years and of those 25 I was a coach. Being around the block a few times and just through my experience(something that all the books and so called experts never give you) I have seen a dramatic change. A change not fascilitated by the kids but some that let the kids do what you let them.
As a teacher I am not their friend or buddy. I am not there to cut them a break or as they ask "let me slide" They do not perform they reap the benefits of poor performance. and on the other hand if they do perform well it is
specifically reflected in their grade. Oh yes I hear all the excuses why they dont perform. I could write a book.
As a coach if the kid did not perform he was replaced by somebody who could.
Is that being harsh or old fashioned?
Maybe when they get out in the real world and have a real job and find out how the real world works they will appreciate what others have called old fashioned or old school.