2 outs. Runner reaches 1b safely. Advances to 2b on passed ball. Scores on a single.
Earned or unearned? (Wouldn't have been in scoring position without passed ball).
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Unearned because of the passed ball. Had it been a wild pitch, the run would have been earned.
Isn't a wild pitch an recorded as an error?
A wild pitch is not recorded as a team error.
(click here for link to MLB Scoring Rules)
OBR 10.14
(f) ...No error shall be charged when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored.
OBR 10.14
(f) ...No error shall be charged when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored.
Doesn't the answer to this depend on what the next hitter accomplishes? I agree that it would be unearned in the next hitter makes an out, but if the next hitter reaches by way of any kind of hit, it makes the run earned since two hits of any kind most likely would have scored him from first. Remember, the passed ball only allowed the runner to advance to second. It did not prevent an out.
quote:Originally posted by JWC32:
(f) ...No error shall be charged when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored.
so a run scoring on a passed ball is an earned run?
WP and PBs are not errors, therefore the run is earned.
"Fair"? Maybe not, but it's much like a well hit ball deep to the third baseman when the batter would have beaten it out, but the runner on first is way slow and gets thrown out at second....it's still an FC. So it goes.
"Fair"? Maybe not, but it's much like a well hit ball deep to the third baseman when the batter would have beaten it out, but the runner on first is way slow and gets thrown out at second....it's still an FC. So it goes.
Orlando, a passed ball has the same impact on runs as errors, even though a passed ball is not an error, as you say. Thus, any run that scores with the assistance of a passed ball is unearned, unless it would have scored even without the passed ball.
BackDash, my post only dealt with the question of assigning an error if a wild pitch or passed ball occurred. How wild pitches and passed balls count when calculating earned runs is a different matter.
A passed ball is figured to be the catcher's fault, so like jemaz said, it may cause a run to be unearned. A wild pitch is considered the pitcher's fault, and can never cause a run to be unearned.
Once again, turning to the MLB scoring rules...
OBR 10.18
An earned run is a run for which the pitcher is held accountable. In determining earned runs, the inning should be reconstructed without the errors (which include catcher's interference) and passed balls.
(a) An earned run shall be charged every time a runner reaches home base by the aid of safe hits, sacrifice bunts, a sacrifice fly, stolen bases, putouts, fielder's choices, bases on balls, hit batters, balks or wild pitches...(1) A wild pitch is solely the pitcher's fault, and contributes to an earned run just as a base on balls or a balk.
A passed ball is figured to be the catcher's fault, so like jemaz said, it may cause a run to be unearned. A wild pitch is considered the pitcher's fault, and can never cause a run to be unearned.
Once again, turning to the MLB scoring rules...
OBR 10.18
An earned run is a run for which the pitcher is held accountable. In determining earned runs, the inning should be reconstructed without the errors (which include catcher's interference) and passed balls.
(a) An earned run shall be charged every time a runner reaches home base by the aid of safe hits, sacrifice bunts, a sacrifice fly, stolen bases, putouts, fielder's choices, bases on balls, hit batters, balks or wild pitches...(1) A wild pitch is solely the pitcher's fault, and contributes to an earned run just as a base on balls or a balk.
Is this a sacrifice.
Man on 3rd, 1 out. Batter hits it to deep center.
Base-runner goes half way instead of tagging up.
Had he tagged up he would have scored easily but he was suffering from a case cranial rec tal inversion.
My son was NOT involved in the play, in fact it happened to the other team, I am just curious.
Man on 3rd, 1 out. Batter hits it to deep center.
Base-runner goes half way instead of tagging up.
Had he tagged up he would have scored easily but he was suffering from a case cranial rec tal inversion.
My son was NOT involved in the play, in fact it happened to the other team, I am just curious.
But if a runner scores that reaches base as a result of E-1, it is still unearned....true?
Also, if a runner scores after reaching after a dropped third strike, is it earned or unearned?
Ok, I'm going to breakdown and search the rule book! JWC32, keep up the good work.
Also, if a runner scores after reaching after a dropped third strike, is it earned or unearned?
Ok, I'm going to breakdown and search the rule book! JWC32, keep up the good work.
This has centered around whether a passed ball is an error and if not does it still get considered unearned.
What if the situation was the same, runner on first two outs, and the next batter reached on an error by the 1b (misplayed a ground ball) leaving runners at first and second. Next hitter hits a single driving in the runner from second. Next hitter flies out for out number 3.
Is it earned or unearned? Runner that scored reached safely, the hitter who drove him in did so with a single, but he wouldn't have been in scoring position without the error in between.
What if the situation was the same, runner on first two outs, and the next batter reached on an error by the 1b (misplayed a ground ball) leaving runners at first and second. Next hitter hits a single driving in the runner from second. Next hitter flies out for out number 3.
Is it earned or unearned? Runner that scored reached safely, the hitter who drove him in did so with a single, but he wouldn't have been in scoring position without the error in between.
unearned. The error would have been the 3rd out. ANY run scored after that is unearned.
concur with phillyfan
OK, 1 out runner on first, 1B makes an error so runners on first and second. Next hitter singles scoring runner from 2b. Next two hitters strike out.
Runner wouldn't have been in scoring position without the error.
Runner wouldn't have been in scoring position without the error.
Very simple. Reconstruct the inning without the error. 2 singles, no runs score. Ergo,unearned.
I happen to agree with you phillyfan. Are you speaking from experience or just using the common sense of a long time baseball fan/coach/player etc.