High pop up in the infield. 1B camps under ball. 2B calls off the 1B for the ball. 1B does not move. 2B bumps into 1B who drops the catch. What's the call... Hit, E3 or E4?
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Not a hit for sure.
Judgement call on who gets the error. We had exactly the same situation last year where E6 and E4 collided behind 2nd on a little soft liner. The SS dropped it but the official scorer gave the error to the 2B...
Judgement call on who gets the error. We had exactly the same situation last year where E6 and E4 collided behind 2nd on a little soft liner. The SS dropped it but the official scorer gave the error to the 2B...
Sadly, I have seen this go all three ways...
As described, its an Error on somebody. I would have to have seen it myself to know for sure.
Was it right in 1b's tracks, so it was 'obviously' his ball? If so probably E-4 as he prevented 1b's play on the ball.
Was it between them or behind the 1B, 2B was clearly calling and it was his ball? Then probably E-3.
Not mentioned, was 1B calling as well? If so and he was under it, I probably go E-4.
At least they didn't back up and look each other in the eye while it fell between them. Man, that drives me nuts.
As described, its an Error on somebody. I would have to have seen it myself to know for sure.
Was it right in 1b's tracks, so it was 'obviously' his ball? If so probably E-4 as he prevented 1b's play on the ball.
Was it between them or behind the 1B, 2B was clearly calling and it was his ball? Then probably E-3.
Not mentioned, was 1B calling as well? If so and he was under it, I probably go E-4.
At least they didn't back up and look each other in the eye while it fell between them. Man, that drives me nuts.
Is it an error for sure? I believe a collision in the outfield, for sure, would be a hit. An error occurs only when ordinary effort fails to produce an out. A collision adds an effort beyond ordinary effort, does it not? No doubt, this is a judgement call, but I have little doubt that in the Big Leagues -- depending on the exact circumstances -- this might often be ruled a hit.
By the way, JMoff, if they look each other in the eye while the ball falls untouched between them, it is a hit by rule -- and frequently a double.
By the way, JMoff, if they look each other in the eye while the ball falls untouched between them, it is a hit by rule -- and frequently a double.
If it's a simple pop up and the player is right underneath and calling and another player runs him over, turning the easy play into a difficult play, then its an error on the player who ran the other one over...
If it's a gap shot in the OF and the RF & CF run into each other, its a hit. If the CF, 2B & SS all pull back AND one of them would've had to make an 'above ordinary effort' play to make the catch, you call it a hit.
In the situation described (pop up in the infield), you shouldn't score a hit. It's an error. One guy running another one over is an error IF one guy is clearly calling and the other one knocks him over.
No way this one is scored a hit in the bigs.
The pull back and let it drop implies neither had a play and you can go either way, player who should've made the play with ordinary effort gets E or home team scorer gives a hit. You have to be there and you have to know that it can be an E even if contact with the ball isn't made. The question to be answered is, "Could the defensive player have made the play with ordinary effort?" If the answer is yes, its an E.
A lot of scorers can't decide who to give the E to, so they score a hit. If neither player made an error (by the definition) it should be a hit.
A very simple infield pop-up without a 30 knt gale, sun or some other factor should be an E on somebody...
If it's a gap shot in the OF and the RF & CF run into each other, its a hit. If the CF, 2B & SS all pull back AND one of them would've had to make an 'above ordinary effort' play to make the catch, you call it a hit.
In the situation described (pop up in the infield), you shouldn't score a hit. It's an error. One guy running another one over is an error IF one guy is clearly calling and the other one knocks him over.
No way this one is scored a hit in the bigs.
The pull back and let it drop implies neither had a play and you can go either way, player who should've made the play with ordinary effort gets E or home team scorer gives a hit. You have to be there and you have to know that it can be an E even if contact with the ball isn't made. The question to be answered is, "Could the defensive player have made the play with ordinary effort?" If the answer is yes, its an E.
A lot of scorers can't decide who to give the E to, so they score a hit. If neither player made an error (by the definition) it should be a hit.
A very simple infield pop-up without a 30 knt gale, sun or some other factor should be an E on somebody...