Here is a young (Junior in High School) who attended one of our showcases. What does everyone think (good or bad) about his swing?
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I think the kid has been watching too many Barry Bonds clips 
TripleDad,
What do you mean? Do you think his swing is similiar to Bonds?
What do you mean? Do you think his swing is similiar to Bonds?
I think this kid should give his dad a break.....or at least ----DELETED OBSCENITY---- about it.
For a Jr this is a great swing, couple small things... a little better load with hips, maybe a little quieter with the front foot.
Maybe its because I can't see the swing at live speed, but he seems to hang balance on the rear leg a little long. That could also be because its BP and just looking to YAK it in the stands.
... notice i didn't use centrigical, bifocularios, verticular pronation, subticantal degredation , or hypothomular decelaration when making comments.
Maybe its because I can't see the swing at live speed, but he seems to hang balance on the rear leg a little long. That could also be because its BP and just looking to YAK it in the stands.
... notice i didn't use centrigical, bifocularios, verticular pronation, subticantal degredation , or hypothomular decelaration when making comments.
Yes , PG there are similarities to Bonds
quote:I think this kid should give his dad a break.....or at least ---DELETED---- about it.
what the he11 does that mean?
It means Chameleon knows who this kid is and I have to agree with his thought.
However, I would like for others on here to give opinions about this swing. I posted the slow motion version for easier viewing.
However, I would like for others on here to give opinions about this swing. I posted the slow motion version for easier viewing.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PGStaff:
It means Chameleon knows who this kid is and I have to agree with his thought.
Gotcha.....I thought the Lizard was just getting cranky late in the day
It means Chameleon knows who this kid is and I have to agree with his thought.
Gotcha.....I thought the Lizard was just getting cranky late in the day
This kid, as well as all the high level mlb players, knows that ALL of the energy the body creates must go into turning the barrel, with the hands, IMMEDIATELY at "go".
Not a fraction of a second later after the arms have pulled forward. Not a fraction of a second later after the shoulders have rotated. Not a fraction of a second later after the knob has been pulled.
NOW....IMMEDIATELY....AT "GO".
This hitter demonstrates it quite well.
And....because that is his "go" move....since his hands are what goes at "go".....since that is his swing thought....the body preps itself for that task during the "wait". You can see the front leg and knee open....and the hips open.....early.....in the "wait" period.....as the hands turn the barrel rearward.....creating the "stretch and fire" launch mechanics.
Folks.....don't believe anyone who tells you any different.
The lower body is slave to the upper body and hands. What you do with your hands tells the lower body how to work....how to support it.....how to energize the entire process.
This guy has 50 examples of this this season.
This clip demonstrates the separation of the body quite well.
And it also demonstrates the fallacy of *****'s PCRW and Englishbey's PCR.
In this clip the word "yep" is supposed to be on the "go" frame. I missed it by one frame. It's actually the frame before. Play the clip to that frame and stop it. Notice the level of hip opening that has occured BEFORE he decides to swing. Then play the clip slowly and watch Bonds "get to" that position. How does he do it......by what PCR and PCRW call "bleeding the hips open".
That is nonsense. The hips have to open to create the "stretch" of the upper body against the lower body. Without that stretch all you have is brute force rotation.....which is slow and in no way can give a hitter what he has to have......and instantaneous launch.
Watch Bond's barrel go rearward AS his leg and hips open. Get out of your chair and simulate that.
You will immediately feel the stretch that high level hitters learn to develop and control so that they can launch instantaneously.
Not a fraction of a second later after the arms have pulled forward. Not a fraction of a second later after the shoulders have rotated. Not a fraction of a second later after the knob has been pulled.
NOW....IMMEDIATELY....AT "GO".
This hitter demonstrates it quite well.
And....because that is his "go" move....since his hands are what goes at "go".....since that is his swing thought....the body preps itself for that task during the "wait". You can see the front leg and knee open....and the hips open.....early.....in the "wait" period.....as the hands turn the barrel rearward.....creating the "stretch and fire" launch mechanics.
Folks.....don't believe anyone who tells you any different.
The lower body is slave to the upper body and hands. What you do with your hands tells the lower body how to work....how to support it.....how to energize the entire process.
This guy has 50 examples of this this season.
This clip demonstrates the separation of the body quite well.
And it also demonstrates the fallacy of *****'s PCRW and Englishbey's PCR.
In this clip the word "yep" is supposed to be on the "go" frame. I missed it by one frame. It's actually the frame before. Play the clip to that frame and stop it. Notice the level of hip opening that has occured BEFORE he decides to swing. Then play the clip slowly and watch Bonds "get to" that position. How does he do it......by what PCR and PCRW call "bleeding the hips open".
That is nonsense. The hips have to open to create the "stretch" of the upper body against the lower body. Without that stretch all you have is brute force rotation.....which is slow and in no way can give a hitter what he has to have......and instantaneous launch.
Watch Bond's barrel go rearward AS his leg and hips open. Get out of your chair and simulate that.
You will immediately feel the stretch that high level hitters learn to develop and control so that they can launch instantaneously.
Cham, when peaple talk connection, I don't believe they are saying there should not be separation.
I used to call it disconnection years ago, until connection became the buzz word for for elbow action.
This forum seems to battle in semantics too much.
I used to call it disconnection years ago, until connection became the buzz word for for elbow action.
This forum seems to battle in semantics too much.
Duplicate post.
Connection is created by torquing the barrel rearward by the hands.
It's automatic if you do that.
Separation is created by the hips opening AGAINST that rearward moving barrel DURING THE WAIT........BEFORE GO.
The PCR and PCRW ites don't teach separation. They believe it happens after launch.
A totally ridiculous assumption. And because of it their hitters suffer from bat drag and slop/slack in their swings.
AND.....what elbow action? The elbow is a nonteach. It does what it does because of the torque the hands put on the handle.
Now, Ryan Howard and others, with the very high elbow, get a running start into their handle torque by having it so high....so it can mean something to them.
BUT.....short of that.....it has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't slot although it goes to the slot. The elbow reacts to what the hands are doing at "go".
It's automatic if you do that.
Separation is created by the hips opening AGAINST that rearward moving barrel DURING THE WAIT........BEFORE GO.
The PCR and PCRW ites don't teach separation. They believe it happens after launch.
A totally ridiculous assumption. And because of it their hitters suffer from bat drag and slop/slack in their swings.
AND.....what elbow action? The elbow is a nonteach. It does what it does because of the torque the hands put on the handle.
Now, Ryan Howard and others, with the very high elbow, get a running start into their handle torque by having it so high....so it can mean something to them.
BUT.....short of that.....it has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't slot although it goes to the slot. The elbow reacts to what the hands are doing at "go".
triple -
"connection" has now been highjacked by the internet "posse" that describes the swing as PCR (posture connection rotation). They describe connection as the tensing and turning of the shoulders which is NOT how the shoulders "function" in a high level swing.
If you try to start the bat turning by turning the shoulders, then you are forced to drag because the turning of the shoulders interrupts and slows down the stretch and fire and pulls the bat too much along its long axis.
For the high level mlb swing,you have to start the bat by torquing the handle which is then supported by tilting of the shoulders.
This small initial difference becomes amplified to produce entirely different types of swings/swing timings.
"connection" has now been highjacked by the internet "posse" that describes the swing as PCR (posture connection rotation). They describe connection as the tensing and turning of the shoulders which is NOT how the shoulders "function" in a high level swing.
If you try to start the bat turning by turning the shoulders, then you are forced to drag because the turning of the shoulders interrupts and slows down the stretch and fire and pulls the bat too much along its long axis.
For the high level mlb swing,you have to start the bat by torquing the handle which is then supported by tilting of the shoulders.
This small initial difference becomes amplified to produce entirely different types of swings/swing timings.
It is amazing that more people don't know who this kid is!
I think he needs to make contact as the front foot lands.
Sorry,couldn't resist
Sorry,couldn't resist
I don't think anyone is going to suggest any changes after the season he's had.quote:Originally posted by tfox:
I think he needs to make contact as the front foot lands.
Sorry,couldn't resist
quote:Originally posted by TG:I don't think anyone is going to suggest any changes after the season he's had.quote:Originally posted by tfox:
I think he needs to make contact as the front foot lands.
Sorry,couldn't resist
Hope you realize that was sarcasm.
yup looks just like prince a couple of years ago
Actually this clip was from over six years ago.
So far here are the players that were on the field that day who have already appeared in the Major Leagues.
Prince Fielder – Milwaukee Brewers
Jeff Clement – Seattle Mariners
Alex Gordon – KC Royals
Scott Kazmir – Tampa Bay D’Rays
Lastings Milledge – NY Mets
Scott Moore – Baltimore Orioles
Jarrod Saltalamacchia – Texas Rangers
BJ Upton – Tampa Bay D’Rays
Joey Votto – Cincinnati Reds
Note: Kazmir was drafted by the Mets, Moore was drafted by the Tigers, Saltalamacchia was drafted by the Braves.
There might be some more that have appeared, but were not sure about and several others knocking on the door, who will be up in the Big Leagues by next year.
There were 22 of the 124 players we saw that day who ended up being drafted in the first round. More than half ended up being drafted in the early rounds. It’s real interesting watching the old video from that event.
Somewhere around 150 players who were in the Major Leagues this year we have video of when they were young. If I were better at this video stuff, it would be interesting to compare the old with the present. You guys would be a good group to pick it apart.
I've posted this somewhere here before... but this is one of my favorite clips from that event in 2001.
Go to... BaseballWebTV scroll down the right side and check out this clip. (BBWTV Hall of Fame: Scott Kazmir) I'm pretty sure it's free, if not I'll have someone post it here. Probably more suited for the pitching forum, but what the hey.
Prince Fielder – Milwaukee Brewers
Jeff Clement – Seattle Mariners
Alex Gordon – KC Royals
Scott Kazmir – Tampa Bay D’Rays
Lastings Milledge – NY Mets
Scott Moore – Baltimore Orioles
Jarrod Saltalamacchia – Texas Rangers
BJ Upton – Tampa Bay D’Rays
Joey Votto – Cincinnati Reds
Note: Kazmir was drafted by the Mets, Moore was drafted by the Tigers, Saltalamacchia was drafted by the Braves.
There might be some more that have appeared, but were not sure about and several others knocking on the door, who will be up in the Big Leagues by next year.
There were 22 of the 124 players we saw that day who ended up being drafted in the first round. More than half ended up being drafted in the early rounds. It’s real interesting watching the old video from that event.
Somewhere around 150 players who were in the Major Leagues this year we have video of when they were young. If I were better at this video stuff, it would be interesting to compare the old with the present. You guys would be a good group to pick it apart.
I've posted this somewhere here before... but this is one of my favorite clips from that event in 2001.
Go to... BaseballWebTV scroll down the right side and check out this clip. (BBWTV Hall of Fame: Scott Kazmir) I'm pretty sure it's free, if not I'll have someone post it here. Probably more suited for the pitching forum, but what the hey.
Hey Bob:
Robert Andino was there with The Sluggers.
Robert Andino was there with The Sluggers.
Racab,
Andino did attend several events, but he wasn't at this one. This was the 2001 National Showcase at Tropicana Field.
BTW, who is Bob?
Andino did attend several events, but he wasn't at this one. This was the 2001 National Showcase at Tropicana Field.
BTW, who is Bob?
My bad on Andino and "Bob", I am sorry.
Ya, its Prince.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Here is a young (Junior in High School) who attended one of our showcases. What does everyone think (good or bad) about his swing?
Young Hitter
I'd say he's a little too upright and needs more flex in his back knee, but he uses his hands really well.
I don't see great hip action. I think, if he doesn't already rotate the hips better.
As for the separation grabage, separation has nothing to do with the bat moving back. Separation is attained prior to any movement of the bat back.
Just shows teachermans lack of knowledge and his dumbfounded theories.
As for the separation grabage, separation has nothing to do with the bat moving back. Separation is attained prior to any movement of the bat back.
Just shows teachermans lack of knowledge and his dumbfounded theories.
quote:Originally posted by ShawnB:
I don't see great hip action. I think, if he doesn't already rotate the hips better.
As for the separation grabage, separation has nothing to do with the bat moving back. Separation is attained prior to any movement of the bat back.
Just shows teachermans lack of knowledge and his dumbfounded theories.
Shawn, nice to have you on this site. If you are who I think you are, I've read your posts elsewhere.
I think this guy could hit 50 homers a year at the major league level 
quote:Originally posted by beemax:
I think this guy could hit 50 homers a year at the major league level
Might already be doing it, lol. If you notice, he is bent much lower at the knees now though.
quote:Might already be doing it, lol. If you notice, he is bent much lower at the knees now though.
Maybe… But the swing shown on here is the one that got an overweight kid with below average tools (other than the bat and power) to become the 7th overall pick of the draft and become an instant multi-millionaire.
When will they wake up.
Posture, bend at knees, tilt over the plate etc etc etc....all play second fiddle to what he does with his hands at "go" and the separation he creates as a result.
The hands and upper body control the lower body.
Posture, bend at knees, tilt over the plate etc etc etc....all play second fiddle to what he does with his hands at "go" and the separation he creates as a result.
The hands and upper body control the lower body.
Chameleon,
And he should be very thankful for his dad! His dad not only gave him the genes, he loved and promoted his kid like no one else I've ever seen. (This goes back to a previous post you made) Sorry, for getting off the track here!
And he should be very thankful for his dad! His dad not only gave him the genes, he loved and promoted his kid like no one else I've ever seen. (This goes back to a previous post you made) Sorry, for getting off the track here!
quote:Originally posted by ShawnB:
I don't see great hip action. I think, if he doesn't already rotate the hips better.
As for the separation grabage, separation has nothing to do with the bat moving back. Separation is attained prior to any movement of the bat back.
Just shows teachermans lack of knowledge and his dumbfounded theories.
Ha Ha Ha Ha
It just takes one clip unless your head is buried in the sand.
But Here Are More
Ha Ha Ha Ha
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:quote:Might already be doing it, lol. If you notice, he is bent much lower at the knees now though.
Maybe… But the swing shown on here is the one that got an overweight kid with below average tools (other than the bat and power) to become the 7th overall pick of the draft and become an instant multi-millionaire.
With out a doubt. If I can see a flaw that can easily be fixed, I'm sure the guys that get paid to scout can see them.
That is a nice clip to look at. The ball just jumps off his bat.
Thanks PGStaff!!!
Jason
Thanks PGStaff!!!
Jason
