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High Academic Baseball

rhp123 ·
I'm a 2015 Right Handed Pitcher, velocity 84-86 MPH, 2200 on SAT including 800 on math, what are my chances at any Ivy League school or an MIT/JHU?  
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RJM ·
If you can pitch rather than just throw there might be some interest. You should contact the baseball coaches and find out what showcases to get in front of them. One you should definitely attend is Head First.
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fenwaysouth ·
rhp1123, As RJM indicated, you need to get in front of these coaches to determine your chances. Each school is going to have different requirements and different needs. Your 2200 SAT will get their attention but you should want to find the best fit whether it is Ivy, NESCAC, NEWMAC or CC conferences. Yes,these schools are all high academic but they are all very different...they have their own personalities. If you scored 800 on Math you have as good as a shot as any to MIT especially if you...
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Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

2020Prospect ·
My son recently committed to a high academic D3 school. He's very excited about both the academics and the baseball program, however this is one of those schools that does not have "slots" for athletes. He has to get past admissions, and the school is extremely selective. I don't believe the coaches would have recruited him if he didn't have a chance, but it's far from a sure thing. His pre-read was not a slam dunk, but also not a "no". He'll be applying early decision, and that leads to my...
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On the Academic Side: what did you ask at College Information Session?

Midwest Mom ·
What did you ask at the college information session and/or tour and what do you wish you would have asked that helped you/your son (or daughter) later on? Any watch outs? We're going to our first next weekend as part of an UV and want to be sure we're prepared so we're not kicking ourselves that we didn't think of that when we had the opportunity. I'm thinking beyond campus size, location, majors, cost. Appreciate any insights from those of you who've gone through it.
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D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

backyardonfire ·
Our 2020 position player has been working through the recruiting process with a focus on high academic D3 and potentially ivy league schools. He has recently received some interest from a couple of non-ivy D1 schools. He would like to pursue a degree in science or engineering, and we are having a difficult time determining the D1 schools that would make this type of degree possible in conjunction with playing baseball. My impression is that there aren't many D1 schools where this would be...
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Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone had any experience or advice for someone considering a PG or gap year to increase likelihood of being recruited to an Ivy League School. In my case, I am a young 2019 (turned 17 recently) OF that got considerable interest from a few ivies, but ultimately just wasn't good enough baseball wise to get an offer. Academically, I have a 3.85 UW GPA (4.4 Weighted) and 1560 SAT with many APs and honors classes. I also have a huge legacy at Columbia (brother,...
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Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???

Gov ·
2018 is seeking to play at top academic school. He's been the starting SS for club team, playing national events, and also the occasional and effective closer (1-2x per week - 2-3 innings). Solid line drive hitter as well... IF velo just hit 87; pitching coach thinks his FB velo will be 85 pretty quickly. We're thinking we should be promoting his SS/RHP two player capabilities. How do Ivy's view two players? Anybody with experience or points of view with this? Hoping to tap into the...
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Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

daddyO ·
A few questions, and then I'll give some background. What is the recruiting landscape like for a player in the spring of his senior year? What academically elite D1 colleges still recruit at this point (top 50 US News and World Reports rankings)? What academically elite colleges would recruit a player who did not apply to their school already this late in the game?  Do the Ivy's or other elite college recruit this late in a seniors HS career? What would be best way to get out new...
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Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Why should an Academically gifted player wait to get on radar screens? The simple answer is that they shouldn't. That's why we picked June 23-24. Get on radar screens early. Start conversations earlier. Plan...Prepare. This is coming together nicely. Coaches are genuinely excited and committed schools are rolling in daily. Here are the details: June 23-24 in Washington, DC area (fields are being negotiated now) $695 (includes customized Play In School video) as well as a Written Eval from a...
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Academic Showcase, June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Why should an academically gifted player wait to get on radar screens? The simple answer is that they shouldn't. That's why we picked June 23-24. Get on radar screens early. Start conversations earlier. Plan...Prepare. This is coming together nicely. Coaches are genuinely excited and committed schools are rolling in daily. Here are the details: June 23-24 in Washington, DC area (fields are being negotiated now) $695 (includes customized Play In School video) as well as a Written Eval from a...
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Getting on Radar as Soph.

BaseballDad72 ·
Hey everyone. First post here. My son is a high academic kid and is a soph. RHP. Had some terrible travel ball experiences playing on a few elite regional teams. Had an injury during first year with national level travel team, which he seems to have overcome. I know he burnt out this past summer, too. Didn't play last summer and came back to HS ball in spring and really reconnected with the game and had a good year on varsity as soph. despite not playing at all for the year before. We're...
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High Academic minimum requirements

2020-RHP-Dad ·
I'm guessing this could vary quite a bit depending on the school, but for general purposes, what are the minimum (and average) requirements for a baseball player to be considered as a "high academic" recruit or even to attend a "high academic" showcase. Thanks in advance.
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CTbballDad ·
Basically there are 3 tiers for a coach: Tier A/1: You get in on your academic merits Tier B/2: Admissions requires "coach support" Tier C/3: Just not good enough I believe there's quite a bit of latitude with Tier B/2, but there are only so many a coach can use in that Tier. The number of "test optional" schools are growing each year, which can help with the SAT/ACT scores. School profile and class rigor are very important factors. You will need a good number of honors/AP classes, if your...
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JCG ·
High Academic can mean a range of schools. For most of us that means a school that is very hard to get into and is ranked highly by US News, Princeton Review, etc. For example, Tufts comes up here often. The admit rate is 14.6 - very low, though there are some that are lower. If you search their website or Google for the term "student profile", there is usually a page for any school that will show you, at the very least, mean SAT and ACT scores. It would be instructive to look up the numbers...
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fenwaysouth ·
I think you'll find the term "high academic" gets thrown around a lot. People's definition varies. For HA, I look at what is required to get admitted in as a student (not baseball player as you phrased your question) through the general admissions process...lets call that the "Admissions front door". In my son's experience, the part that varied the most is how the Admissions process worked for the recruited athlete...lets call that the "Admissions back door". Again, my son's recruiting...
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Others with more experience can add their opinions, but I wouldn't attend an HA showcase with less than 1,250 SAT or 27 ACT. Of course those numbers won't impress the most selective schools, but I think there will be some schools that can at least start a dialogue at that level. GPA is much more subjective, but if you're on the borderline with standardized testing you should probably be better than borderline with grades and AP classes.
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Chico Escuela ·
A D3 HA coach told my son and me that GPA is the most important qualifier for him, because by at or near the end of Jr year (when D3 HAs get serious about recruiting), GPA is essentially set and can't change significantly; but a student can always re-take the ACT or SAT. (This was at a school with very high grade and test score averages, and one that does not bend those much at all for athletes, so take that into consideration.)
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JCG ·
When my son attended HF, there were plenty of schools like Fenway listed, but also a lot that were more like Skidmore: 29% admit rate. Mean ACT: 29. BTW the Skidmore coach is a great guy and that's a beautiful campus.
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anotherparent ·
I agree that at Headfirst there are definitely some schools whose admissions rates are around 30% (and higher), SAT average around 1250, GPA 3.7. There's a reasonably wide range. An easy way to check is to look at the list of schools that will be at Headfirst (they are listed on their website). Google the name of the school + prepscholar, you will get listings of the school's average GPA, SAT/ACT, and admissions rate.
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keewart ·
Son's school was one of the HAs that Fenwaysouth listed in his post, but the acceptance rate is MUCH higher than 15%, mostly because it is a known backup school to the Ivys. Keep that in mind. Many of it's baseball players got in to an Ivy, or applied. In my son's case, baseball may have gotten him in to a school that he may not have gotten in to on his own. We will never know. But, once you get in, even with the coach's help, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE GRADES TO STAY THERE. (Son did, thank...
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Backstop22 ·
There are some good parameters here to give you a general range of what gets a kid in the discussion of being admissible to HA schools. As others indicated, admission rates vary widely even among schools that are considered HA, but test scores and GPA are the criteria that the coaches will consider as the first factors in deciding if a kid should be recruited at a HA school. One HA D3 coach told us he went through a showcase roster that listed the kids academic scores they reported on their...
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Qhead ·
"Finally, if your son is on the margin with the test scores, have him retake it and see if he can get an improvement. Going up even 2 points on the ACT can make a huge difference, especially in terms of any academic money he can get. " For the vast majority of HS players, this advice is more valuable in dollar terms than any baseball advice on this site! We paid for an SAT/ACT tutor that helped my son increase his scores considerably. The additional academic scholarship money received as a...
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RJM ·
In a social situation I crossed paths with the coach of a ranked HA D3. My son was already playing college ball. But I’m always curious to become aware of different situations. The school is considered very challenging academically. The coach told me has grease with admissions for baseball. But only for six players per admissions year. He asks his six prime recruits to apply ED so he knows who’s serious. He doesn’t want to waste a slot sliding a kid through to have him decide to go somewhere...
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Dirtbag30 ·
Other than SB and HF, I've been wondering if "academic showcase" is just another hook to separate us parents from our money. The only qualifier for some local and PG "academic showcases" is "3.0 GPA and above." lol
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RJM ·
Showcasing, travel ball and instruction has become such an industry I question how much of it is trying to separate parents from their money. I’m guessing there are a lot of former baseball players now selling baseball rather than insurance. Even Al Bundy would be connected to the sports industry now.
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Gov ·
Good information shared above. Since RJM mentioned Duke, HC Pollard told me directly he is quite adamant of needing a min 26 ACT to play for his program. He's found good smart players which led them to the super regionals this year. Power Conference high level skills and talent obviously required. Friend's kid was offered by Northwestern and the RC/HC seem to be dialed in on at least a 28. Another friends kid is being recruited by Penn, RC said his 27 ACT will suffice. Two years ago son...
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Chico Escuela ·
For those who may not realize: There is a big benefit at many of these schools to being a baseball player, even if no athletic scholarship money is in the mix. To take the two examples above, the Prepscholar web site says the Duke ACT mean is 33 and the 25th percentile score is 31. At Penn the corresponding scores are 33 and 32. A non-athlete applying to those schools with a 26 or 27 ACT has essentially zero chance of admission unless he has something else extraordinary going for him (a...
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anotherparent ·
If you are interested in college outside of your local region, you have to participate in nationwide recruiting events. That goes for top-level D1 schools, and for top-level High Academic schools. These high-academic showcases are worth it if you are interested in colleges outside of your local area, they are the best way to get in front of a lot of schools at once, cheaper than travelling around the country to a lot of individual camps. If you want to stay closer to home, then local...
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Smitty28 ·
Ivy's do not give academic money. I didn't think any truly HA school did (since most all applicants are top-shelf anyway). I have seen instances where middle-of-the-pack schools offered substantial academic money to lure top students.
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Backstop22 ·
Smitty28 is correct that the elite of the elite, like the Ivy's and Stanford do not give academic money (just need based). But there are plenty of other higher academic schools that have various ways of providing academic-related money to high scoring students. Curiously, there may be some athletes at these schools who found such benefits pointed out to them through their recruiting discussions. So be sure to ask the coach and financial office if you think you might qualify.
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57special ·
To answer the OP's very general question with a very general answer, a 3.3 GPA and a 28 ACT or SAT equivalent. If you have outstanding baseball talent some HA D1's will go lower. If you are an average baseball talent I would like to go to HF with a min 30 ACT and 3.5 GPA. HS course rigor is a whole different question, but HC's and RC's usually leave that up to admissions.
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KLL ·
Do those kids that get in with the lower scores get enough tutoring help to be able to keep their grades up since they’re in classes geared towards the more academically gifted students or is it a constant struggle to remain eligible and obtain a degree?
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BBMomAZ ·
In our experience, the sooner you can secure a solid SAT or ACT score the better. For the Junior Fall Classic, a premier recruiting event, the minimum to qualify for Academic Game Try-Outs is 3.7 GPA or 27 ACT or 1200 SAT. So I think those are good gauges. Most of the HA coaches whom my son interacted with were primarily interested in weighted GPA because they want to see a level of rigor (honors/AP/IB).
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FourKids ·
There are some truly test-optional HA schools including at least 2 in the NESCAC, so I would not let a low ACT preclude a kid from attending HF or Showball as long as the GPA is good. As for the schools requiring scores, my son was told 26 was the cutoff for some schools, 28 for others, and 30 for some.
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Chico Escuela ·
A good question, but I think every student has to address his situation individually. You need to talk with coaches and schools about graduation rates, resources, expectations... Some schools provide tutoring and other academic support specifically for athletes. So far as I know, the schools I would consider true HAs do not--but most of those schools make quite a lot of tutoring and other kinds of support freely available to all students. (It's also true that there is no one definition of...
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PABaseball ·
There aren't any classes geared towards more academically gifted students unless you're in an honors program at the college. The acceptance rates are kept low to keep the schools full of elite students and does not have as much to do with how hard it is once you're there. The difference between a student with a 27 and a 31 or a 32 and a 34 isn't that much of a difference, if at all. I'm sure there are plenty of students with a 24/25 that can manage perfectly fine at plenty of these schools,...
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tequila ·
Good input on responses to this question so far but I thought I'd add my two cents. My 2019 had 3.6 GPA (with a rigorous schedule), a 31 ACT and, after touring Kenyon, Case, Middlebury, Trinity, Wesleyan, and Tufts, made a comment to me that he didn't want to be the "dumbest" one on campus. I thought that was interesting and a pretty good point, though he likely could have gotten in the door to most of these. I was in that boat at his age, having barely gotten into my #1 school of choice,...
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JCG ·
Agreed -- good responses, my two cents is that my kid had a roughly the same HS academics and scores as yours, but did go to a school in the same tier you mentioned. After two years, he's not an academic all american or on the deans list, but he's taking very difficult courses with intense work loads, and he's doing fine with a respectable GPA. As for being the dumbest kid on campus, he'd probably say that's the LAX team. JK - they don't have LAX. If a kid is willing to work hard and can...
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Gov ·
I’ve sat on selection committees for all the Service Academies and we look for the min ACT combined with the absolute strongest weighted GPA reflecting a strong curriculum w AP/H classes. That tells us the classroom work ethic and discipline of the student. Ive seen plenty of 28-30 ACT kids who have a stronger weighted GPA than a 32-33 ACT kid. We’ll take the 30 ACT kid over the 33 ACT kid in this case. Doing well and staying in a Service Academy is difficult. Limited sleep, limited free...
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Chico Escuela ·
I think this raises an important issue (and is another factor that will vary for different individuals). I see elite college admissions as having so many back and side doors that no one should feel they don't belong if their test scores or grades are a little low; but I get it. Choosing a school where you don't feel comfortable just because that school is "better" according to some ranking or other isn't necessarily a good idea. (I also have seen kids who were the biggest academic fish in...
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2019Dad ·
For the OP, since your son is a RHP, this post may be helpful: https://community.hsbaseballwe...47#44234158300777747
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Zoom 2020 ·
Hi, great thread. My son is a 2020 RHP/OF and just starting to go thru the HA showcase process. Common sense would suggest that the higher the academic profile (GPA/SAT/ACT/rigor) the better, assuming kid has real baseball skills. But wondering if anyone has experience with a paradoxical situation where if the academic profile is really high (e.g., perfect test scores and grades with lots of APs and other academic awards), a HA coach might be reluctant to give up an official slot under the...
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tequila ·
My understanding is that D3 baseball teams don't have roster size limits so there aren't really "official slots" to speak of. The coaches have a recruiting board of course, and I'm sure they have a number at each position that they're shooting for, but admission at HA D3 schools is completely at the discretion of the admissions office.
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Backstop22 ·
Of course each school's admission criteria and HC's clout with the admission office varies. My son did encounter a situation with a HA engineering school in the Midwest where the school got in trouble with the NCAA for having "too much" coach influence in admissions. In that case, that coach was really looking for kids who were so strong academically that he would not have to worry about them getting through admissions. So for that HA, a kid with really strong credentials is going to be a...
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Chico Escuela ·
IMO, telling a kid to just apply and trust he will be admitted would be a pretty clear signal that a coach wasn't very interested. Even for a recruit with perfect academic credentials, if a coach wants the player, I'd expect an offer for an admissions pre-read for ED admission. There must be some limit on the number of recruits a coach can use this process for (I think D3 HA schools vary widely on this). But if a coach wants a player, I don't think he'd say "you can just apply on your own."...
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Zoom 2020 ·
Thanks for all the responses, agree that pre-read is essential. But if pre-read is positive, does that guarantee eventual admission without coach using a "slot"? In Ivy League, at least the "likely letter" is essentially a guarantee of admissions, but D3s don't give likely letters to my knowledge.
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Chico Escuela ·
I haven’t heard of D3s actually issuing likely letters (although some may). But likely letters aren’t binding in any event. I’d feel just as confident relying on an email from a baseball coach telling me my pre-read was positive and assuring me that I’d be accepted if I apply ED (and keep my grades up, don’t get arrested, etc.). That’s essentially a likely letter in email form. But maybe I’m naive.
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anotherparent ·
A few D3s do give likely letters, but, as noted, it's not a guarantee. This is why the whole thing is so complicated to understand. D3 schools have no roster limits. And "high academic," even if you start with an average SAT score of, say, 1250, covers a very wide range in terms of admissions percentages; anywhere from 7% to 50+%. (Chapman, who just won the D3 World Series, goes to Headfirst). Some D3 coaches (at all levels of selectivity) keep their rosters at 30-35; some (again at all...
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Chico Escuela ·
Hijacking the thread a bit (but this doesn't seem worth a separate post): Did anyone encounter what we used to call "exploding offers" from HA D3s? That is, did a coach say "you have to get back to me in X weeks or I'm going to move on to a different candidate"? My son is just starting to visit schools and has one offer so far (D3, very good school and solid baseball program). He's very happy about that, but says he wants to see more before he makes any decisions. That coach did not mention...
 
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