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Good Article on Early Commitment

MomLW ·
Thought this was a good one.... http://www.prepbaseballreport.com/news/PBR/Digging-In-Recruiting-Verbal-Commitments-And-Twitter-9725018436
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younggun ·
This is exactly what I have been saying for the past two years. This simple decision to allow early LOIs would halt the practice of early recruitment and at least balance the scale between the player and the school.
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roothog66 ·
Not really. Up until a NLOI is signed, any verbal agreement is on the honor system. Having said that, it'd be fun if some athlete like that had the stones to sue based on contract law. However, it would be difficult to get around the Statute of Frauds most states have codified which basically requires any contract that cannot be fulfilled within one year to be put in writing.
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pabaseballdad ·
I like the suggestion that the NCAA require an LOI within a short period of time. Nuke also mentioned it in another thread. Anyone know if this is getting any traction with the NCAA ?
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Batty67 ·
Fun read. I just read one of those about a local player who decommitted to Coastal Carolina. Speaking of that fine institution, my son's now ex-GF (following 3-4 almost break ups and the drama), basically was told last year (after verbally committing her sophomore year) that they miscalculated the scholarship pool and were cutting her award in half. I think that is a highly questionable mistake but she decommitted and she is still having difficulty finding her academic/softball home for 2017...
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roothog66 ·
Spot on! Especially the dig at decommits. It always gets me when I see the "after considerable thought and prayer" line that inevitably precedes a kid pulling his commitment. It's as if the kid is trying to say, Hey, Coach, you can't think bad of me. I mean, God told me to do it." As if God spoke in his ear and said, "Dude, you shouldn't go to Mississippi State. I mean, have you seen StarkVegas?"
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roothog66 ·
Having thought it over for a couple of minutes, though, I believe an athlete could plead e quitable estoppel. An athlete in this position has performed in reliance on the agreement by taking themselves off the market at a considerable expense to themselves. So, as long as the athlete attempted unsuccessfully to find a replacement for their services I would think he could argue that he had suffered irreparable harm. Hmmmm.
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Backpick25 ·
Hilarious take by Duncan. A real situation, I know of several parents where their player has committed early and now they're having anxiety attacks due to the number of recruits the school has taken at the same position.
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RedFishFool ·
I resent that!!!! Lol. Hail State!
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roothog66 ·
That one was just for you.
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fenwaysouth ·
This article was in our local paper this AM. This is the #1 high school basketball recruit in the country and how she handled "her business". I don't know her, but I'm a big fan wherever she goes. She has a number of quotes in the article that are priceless for anybody going through recruiting at any level. http://www.richmond.com/sports...f5-ae5894254600.html
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Shoveit4Ks ·
The kid loses the moral argument and is judged/stoned by the mob despite his reasoning and the college isnt held to any standard when the commit is broken on their end. I understand the excitement on social media to share the verbal, its a new time and these kids live by the minute, but i don't quite get the tweets regarding offers without commitments.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Anyone plugged into the football recruiting community? I have heard that football is even worse about early recruiting than baseball, is that community in the same boat, calling for reform on the early commitments?
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RJM ·
If the NCAA was fair and balanced coaches who get programs put on probation wouldn't be allowed to run away to a new, better situation. They would be stuck where they are or have to sit out coaching until the probation expires.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Worse, as in, why are their recruiters stalking the 9th grade football practice? 8th graders committing is still not common but not UNcommon in football land. If coaches are still recruiting football players up to LOI signing day then what's the point of committing?
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justbaseball ·
Not a chance. The NCAA is virtually nothing about the student athlete. They represent and are run by the universities, who employ the football, basketball...baseball coaches at great expense. They will never, ever enact something that levels the playing field like this unless there is an uprising of parents and players...and that too, will never happen. Parents/players go through this once. They/we are so eager to have our sons and daughters get that offer, make that commitment, tell our...
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justbaseball ·
Define "worse?" Football coaches actively recruit players already committed to another university. Recruiting sites reporting on virtually every D1 college commonly talk about 'flipping recruits' near the signing day. Coaches even brag about 'flipping Johnny' on signing day when they get one of those. Seems no one is off the board until the LOI is signed. I think, because of even more dependency on physical development for football, that the 8th grade/freshman commit thing is less common in...
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bigcubbiefan ·
My best friends son recently committed as a Senior for D1 football...was recruited by several schools but not hounded until he "committed" then everyone came calling...my limited experience , baseball coaches respect the commitment at least a little more than football.
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CaCO3Girl ·
What is a 72 hour period in June and December going to get them? I don't get it.
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RJM ·
By the time the conference realignment dust settles there could be four conferences with two eight team divisions. The revenue for football will be huge. Athletic departments could have more money. College baseball is growing. It could become big. Already $15-20M college baseball stadiums are becoming the norm for recruiting.
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justbaseball ·
Primarily because parents and players a) fearing no better will come along, wanna secure an offer in hand, b) wanna brag to friends and family, c) know how the game is played and in turn, 'play the game.' Also, it is not unusual for a big program to drop 'commits' when performance wanes or they need to make room for a bigger commit. Happens many times, every year.
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2019Dad ·
Looks like football may be moving to an earlier signing window: http://footballscoop.com/news/...ding-10th-assistant/
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RJM ·
This is great perspective for a kid being told for years she's the best .. Still, the most important piece of advice Megan Walker has for other high school athletes in similar situations is this: “Don’t let anyone rush you, because you’re the one who has to be there for four years. You need to figure out how that school will benefit you when you’re done. I don’t really know what I want to do after college, I just know I want to go to a school with good academics in case basketball doesn’t...
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BigJay ·
My son was a late bloomer but had a great summer season. He's 6'6" 225 rhp throws low 90s, made area code this year. He had offers from a number of schools and went on several official visits. He committed to a Big 10 school and notified all the other schools of his decision. Since committing last week, he has had two schools that have called him and tried to make sure he is happy with his decision. He is, and told them so. I'll be happy when it becomes official. They mentioned that if he...
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justbaseball ·
I agree, but this too is changing. A few coaches are now being paid over $1M. The stakes are higher than ever, especially with things like conference realignment still on the table. A table that is now spreading wider than just football and basketball success. I already know of a case or two where 'committed' baseball players continued to be pursued and you might even be surprised by who. This practice will only grow. You can count on it.
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Buzzard05 ·
My kids aren't involved in football but we know a kid who is very good. He is either a reclassified 8th grader (in private school now) or a freshman and he has received numerous offers from big programs (UNC, UMD, Penn State, etc.) and has been getting them the past year or so. Lacrosse is another sport that gets kids to commit in middle school. Whether those sports are calling for reform or not, I have no idea.
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2019Dad ·
Well, June after junior year would be significantly earlier signing then current practice wrt to football, which is early February of senior year. Not exactly allowing early binding commitments/NLIs at any time, but it is much earlier than current practice. I agree that December vs. February of senior year is no big difference.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Call me cynical, but I think Dec benefits the schools, not the students. There are actually a decent number of mid-year JuCo transfers in football. A kid plays 2 seasons of JuCo football, graduates (insert jokes here), and is on a D1 campus for spring workouts. Midyear JuCo transfers sign in Dec. Schools probably want another chance to sign high school kids at that time before committing to the JuCo kids. Or they can use the threat of signing a JuCo transfer to nudge the high school kid.
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justbaseball ·
Cynical perhaps, but you are also correct IMO.
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justbaseball ·
Saw a discussion of this on ESPNU. Hardly a passed initiative. Lots of amendments already proposed including an 'escape clause' if coach is fired, for example. They had comments from a few unnamed coaches. SEC coach thought it would force college coaches to be more thoughtful about giving offers (good IMO). Big10 coach thought it was a big mistake - he needs more time to evaluate during senior year. Pac12 coach called it a "game-changer." Based on the discussion, I think a lot will have to...
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keewart ·
My son had several sessions with a running "specialist". Took down his time immediately. The tips for starts and where to position arms/hand, etc...can help tremendously. Some have recommended a session or two with the high school track coach which may help. Does your son play varsity yet? When he does, that is the time to showcase, if he has something to showcase.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Kyle31, I have a 2020 and have been told that getting on Varsity can be subjective depending on the school. Also, the best time to start showcasing is 10th grade, providing you have something to show, which he does.
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joes87 ·
My son had numbers similar to what you posted when he was 15U. Major difference was he was 6'2" at the time and about 175 pounds. He continued to develop, but gave up pitching. In the end he attracted the attention of mid to low level D1 coaches and many, D2, D3 and NAIA coaches. In the end he made the decision to not play college baseball. This decision was made prior to the summer between Jr and Sr HS years which is the major recruiting year, so we are not 100% certain where he would have...
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BrianTRC ·
Those are certainly solid numbers for a 2020 grad all around. The key will be getting an eval from a coach to see if they think it's the 6'1/220 that is the cause of the numbers, or if it's the 6'1/220 plus the skill set that is the cause of the numbers. What I'm talking about is the magic crystal ball of projections. Do his skills project out to develop into a D1 player? That can't be answered from stats alone. The stats right now are not D1. However, that does not mean he can't progress...
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2020 Grad- 3B/RHP

Kyle31 ·
Hello All, I am the parent of a 2020 3B/RHP. He is 6'1 220. He plays for a top 10 ranked 15u team in the country and we are from md. We recently attended a PBR Showcase (Fantastic event that was well run with lots of talent.) He recorded an exit velo of 86 off a tee and threw 78 across the infield. He sits 76-80 off the mound and tops 82. He is pretty slow running a 7.8 60 and 4.6 Home-1st. We were wondering if he is on track to go d1 which is his goal. Do you all have any workouts to get...
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StrainedOblique ·
Your son sounds like a pretty talented player. As far as D1 baseball goes , For a 2020 it's about working to improve the skill set, staying healthy and doing well in the classroom. D1 ball will show up if he's compatible at that level. THEY will let you know. As far as foot speed, my son didn't really have great speed until he spent a summer at UCLA working w/ a track coach. As far as D1 qualifications go it's subjective to the school or conference the school plays in. USC recruits a...
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2019Dad ·
Strained, I agree with your whole post with one exception -- the average MLB sixty time is 6.9 - 7.0. That is a 50 grade on the scouting scale (see www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/ ). It is impossible that the average MLB time is the same as the minimum time for a D1 recruit. Particulary since the OP's son is not a MIF or CF . . .
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Goosegg ·
A lot of your decisions should depend on where he is in his growth cycle; is he full height or will he be 6'8" and 220 in two years?I If he's full height, he should start to rearrange the bulk - which is not a quick process, but coaches will notice as his body begins to take on a different form. Also, since most boys his age do not really enjoy hard physical training, the discipline needed to rearrange his body will be a great start on a long road. As a HS freshman, most of his peers haven't...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Going to agree with the others....there's really no way to know based on numbers alone. Being fast and a good glove won't help if he can't hit. Hitting the cover off the ball and being a 7.5-7.6 kid won't work either. 80 as a freshman RHP is probably the best stat you've mentioned so far...especially for his size. Keep in mind that it's not impossible....but is VERY uncommon to play both ways in college. My son was an all state SS and RHP. Hit .478 with 16 doubles and 4 HR's his senior year.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Kyle31, welcome to the site! What does your son's coaching staff say about him being on track to go D1? From what you've described, it sounds to me like he's at a transition point. He could continue to be big and slow, or he could develop into big and athletic. I've seen kids his age go in both directions. If he wants to be a D1 position player, being slow is going to severely limit his options. That's going to matter much less if he pitches, but he'll still need to get much stronger to get...
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cabbagedad ·
Great advice by others. I would add.. yes, a track coach can work on speed and running form but it would also benefit to include agility as part of the focus (most track coaches can accommodate - just be sure to bring it up). A big guy doesn't have to be straight-line fast but is much more attractive and effective if he can maximize his athleticism and move fairly well. This can also help a young athlete navigate the awkward growth stages with a bit more grace, among other performance...
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GoHeels ·
The short answer is no. However, college coaches will take a player's 60 time into consideration, as a piece of their eval, when considering a player's overall level of athleticism. (or lack thereof) As with everything, other considerations apply. If he throws 97, he can run a 9 flat 40 time, and still get a lot of love. If he's more of a "stock righty", the balance of all of his attributes will come into comparison with others.
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roothog66 ·
God, I hope not as the parent of a PO who runs an 8.11.
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gunner34 ·
do PO running times matter as much? Im guessing you dont want to be stuck in the mud, but does he need to be sub 7.5?
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Truman ·
+1 KYLE31, it's still early to conclude much about your son as there's a lot of physical and mental maturing that occurs over the next few year. As other's have mentioned, keep working on the skills . . . particularly those "5 Tools" that are so important where it's good to be really good at just one of those tools.
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Gov ·
Good feedback above. Big kid for 2020 with upside; time to focus on strength, nutrition, speed, and continued skill development. Finding the best hitting, fielding, and pitching instruction will reap dividends. Make sure your son works with trainers dialed into strength moves appropriate for baseball players. To help find the right training facility, ask who the older recruited players are working out with? (When the collegiate players come in town for the off season and holidays they...
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joes87 ·
Going to add one more thing, start looking into how to make a recruiting video. Some are way more effective then others. For the most part its not what you think. No splash screens, no music, no subtitles, no game video. For the most part it should be a series of quick cuts of him taking BP, taking grounders, and pitching. Video should be no more then 2 to 3 minutes. Many schools that my son was in contact with asked for him to send video.
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
I cannot answer the video question, I do not know enough about your son, and without seeing him, I still would not have a clue, to tell you if that is worth while. The Value of PBR really depends on your state and who owns the Franchise. In Ohio it is run by a fellow that does a very good job. As per my sons old college coach it has allowed schools from outside the area to come in and poach guys that he would only have to compete with other local colleges for. I see you are from NC, so you...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
PBR here in Ohio is very good. Looks like you're in NC, so I can't speak specifically about the PBR program there, as they are run by different people in different states. The owner of PBR in Ohio is very well connected with college coaches and does a great job of getting coaches to attend their events here. My son made quite a few contacts from the PBR events he attended....and those were 4 -5 years ago. PBR has grown a lot since then. When we attended, they weren't expensive. As you said,...
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cabbagedad ·
I will respond regarding the video... A good video is quite useful to many in the recruiting process, depending (among other things) on your ability to get in front of targeted schools in person. Putting together a good video is not an easy task. $100 is cheap. However, from what I've seen, when you get a video done as part of a group deal, it usually turns out to be sub-par. Video shots are limited. I would compare this to getting private instruction vs going to a team practice. In the team...
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