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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
I will! Will keep you guys up to date. Got another 6 months! Can't wait to see the improvements and muscle gain in the following months. Should I still be doing cardio every day?
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standballdad ·
The piece of advice would be to be careful with the weightlifting. My son injured his shoulder prior to his junior year of HS and missed the whole season. Biggest issue is that it was his throwing shoulder, we suspect he hurt it during off season HS weight session. He was getting a bit of interest before that mostly due to his Pop times and he could swing it a little.
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Swampboy ·
Wesley, As the father of a customer of Kyle's who totally buys into what Kyle is teaching, I believe you can learn (and work) to throw harder. I also believe uninformed effort can be counter-productive, no matter how diligent or intense. My son didn't get much coaching early because I thought I was raising a wrestler, not a baseball player. If I had to do it over again, I'd have invested in better coaching sooner. Best wishes,
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
I am using a lifting program I got from a CC that I went and visited. Some one from my high school went there and played baseball and he followed their lifting routine and he got very big.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?

Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you. I have seen some of Kyle's videos on YouTube of Drivelinebaseball. I have seen them using weighted baseballs which is where I got the idea of. I am currently using a lifting program from a CC that I went and visited. I will also soon be hopefully going to a Sports Performance gym close to my home where they offer personal training, I believe the owner played baseball so he should know what he is doing.
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Re: Exit Velocity for 340 feet off the tee?

2022NYC ·
Unless there is a math professor on this site, you can't extrapolate the EV with only 1 value (distance). Great hittin' tho.
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2019Dad ·
Ahh, it's somewhere in the low 90s. Depends on the wind, of course, elevation, etc. The below chart (90 mph = 325 feet) is for throwing, but the physics is the same.
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2020dad ·
NYC is correct. Need all the factors. What we can say however is that if the ball is struck with OPTIMUM launch angle on a windless day in completely average conditions 80mph = about 300 feet. I see 2019's chart says 275. There are different charts with different results but 80=300 is the most common I have seen. Then its five feet for every MPH from there. so 90 = 350 feet and 100 = 400 feet. A little helping breeze can affect those numbers more than you think. Thus you may see a MLB game...
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MidAtlanticDad ·
As a matter of fact... http://baseball.physics.illino...-calculator-new.html Sooooooo many variables, but here are some simplified examples at 50 degrees F (since JR appears to be in MD). - LA of 25, EV = 94.1 mph - LA of 30, EV = 92.9 mph
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hsbaseball101 ·
I hit a 350ft no wind HR off a tee with BBCOR bat, but Zepp says my bat impact speed is 52mph, with a max of 60mph. Weird? I only swung 70mph with a BESR so I think it's accurate.
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2020dad ·
Something is amiss there. Not a physical possibility to hit a ball 350 feet with a barrel speed of 52mph. I suspect poor performance by the zepp.
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TheJR30 ·
from my experience zepp tends to be really off. One swing I had a 70 mph bat speed and the next 81. Same technique and mechanics, I think diamond kinetics is the big deal now
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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college

3and2Fastball ·
"How good you are at other things"... What do you mean, specifically? Are you talking about being a two way player? Pitching and playing another position as well? Or being a Pitcher/DH? That kind of thing There are pitchers at the low level D3's that throw high 70's to low 80's
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gutsnglory ·
By "other things i mostly meant control and off speed.
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3and2Fastball ·
We'll see what others I have to say. I've personally seen plenty of D3 pitchers throw fastballs in the high 70's in games. Generally most will say you need to throw 80 to get college interest at the lowest levels 85+ as a lefty pitcher will get you D1 interest. High 80's as a right hand pitcher for D1
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fenwaysouth ·
No. There is not one speed or situation where a coach is going to say I'm not interested. There is more to pitching than velocity and I could rattle off a dozen or so things a college recruiter is going to look at holistically to make a determination if they are initially interested in a recruit. If you want an answer, I think you are going to have to ask the coach themselves and I really don't think that is a good question to ask. I think a better question would be to ask "what are the...
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PlayWithEffort ·
check out this topic. There is some good research in it. http://community.hsbaseballweb...r-at-certain-schools
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SultanofSwat ·
Answer that Dads want to hear: 75 and your son is that special snowflake Answer that is more close to real: 87-93 at least once in front of a scout, depending on school, for weekend starters (Dad thought bubble... but, but I saw a kid throw a few two seamers in relief in a D3 game during the week once at 78..) Think of this as a pyramid. Hundreds can touch 90, Thousands can touch 85. Everyone else can touch 80. Which group do you want to be in? Which group do you want to recruit from?
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justbaseball ·
All the answers above are right, and there are many more that are right depending on the situation. Our younger son, 5-10 RHP, 85 mph in HS, pitched at a Power-5 school and left barely touching 90 but as the all-time innings-pitched leader at that school. "Spectacular command" is how one scout describes him (now pitching in double-A). So when you say, "By other things i mostly meant control and off speed," I say, yeah, he has/had all of that. But your definition, mine and a college coach's...
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Wales ·
This is research from 2012 in regards to what it Velocity wise to play DI, obviously a little dated, and only focuses on DI but this should give you a better idea. However, for a variety of reasons, "all over the map" does not equate to "random distribution". HS pitchers who aspire to pitch in college should have a reasonable idea of where they fit in by the end of summer following their Junior year. Important disclaimer: Although people often offer the fuzzy disclaimer that "velocity is...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Son is RHP at a mid-major. He was getting looks from D2 and D3's once he hit 85, but he was also an all-state SS. Never really talked to any of them, but there was real interest. Ended up getting D1 interest and offer once he was consistently 87...touching 90. He is now a junior. Their pitching staff now has 5 guys who can be at 90 pretty consistently....all RHP. Several guys 85-86, a few 87-88 and a lefty juco guy who is not much over 80. He has friends from his years of travel that are at...
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Nonamedad ·
I went to PG and looked at the top 100 college recruiting classes for 2019s. As expected the top 25 are all loaded with 90+ RHPs, plus I must add 12-15 recruits per school (seems like too many to me). Anyway as the poser above states below that the drop off is significant. I always tell the anecdote of the BIG 12 tourney a few years back in OKC when Baylor played WVU and the Baylor kid hit 87 once and the LHP from WVU never hit 80. 2013 or 2014 I think.
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piaa_ump ·
After all the pitchers I've seen over the years, I've developed an inner radar..........no its not accurate........I call it " 80's"...... Get there (or near) and you can pitch somewhere ......( CC, NAIA, D3,2,..etc..)...And you need one school to like you........ Now the variables.....add in these and its gives you more choices.......or them more choices / reasons to like you... Tall, lefty, control. off-speed, grades, etc......you get the idea......the list of variables goes on and on........
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CaCO3Girl ·
From what I have seen there is a minimum of 75, and this was for a VERY low totem pole D3. So as far as a deal breaker, yes, no matter the control the kid has to be throwing at least 75 to pitch in college in my opinion.
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RJM ·
Work on developing velocity. Never stop trying to improve. But unless you’re throwing at a jaw dropping velocity learn how to pitch. Work on command. Work on the mental side of pitching. If you work to optimize these aspects of pitching you will find your place in the game. Theres a lot involved with whether someone becomes a major conference D1 pitcher versus D3. But the most important thing is elevate yourself to be the best you can be. Ultimately you want to have a positive college...
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Catch1721 ·
On the NCAA site, there are 299 D1 baseball teams listed. Using an average of 15 pitchers per team, that is 4,485 guys pitching at the D1 level in any one season. Just looking at the class of 2017, 292 RHP's threw 90 plus and 270 LHP's threw 85 plus(from PG site). If you expand the parameters on the PG site to 2017 RHP's throwing 88 plus and LHP's throwing 84 plus, the list expands to 621 and 440. I don't know how many of those players signed professionally but I'm guessing that number is...
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CaCO3Girl ·
He said college. Not D1. How many college programs are there in the US? Don't forget JUCO and NAIA....there is a huge wide door for many pitchers.
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Nonamedad ·
The only point I would add is that the top programs get the Lions share of top pitching, the top 75 may get 50% or more of the total. So that still leaves 125 D1s looking for arms.
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2019Dad ·
Typo -- that leaves 225 D1s looking for arms
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FriarFred ·
Disclaimer - Not real good in math... So a quick search of The Google says there are around 1,140 four year colleges/universities (D1-D3 and NAIA) of all levels playing baseball. Using 15 pitchers as a average ballpark, that means there are 17,100 pitchers needed at 4 year schools at any given time. That is alot of arms! Then you add another 500 or so junior colleges and that is another 7.5K or so for a very rough estimate of 24.5K +- arms needed in collegiate baseball... When you look at it...
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Nonamedad ·
Ha Ha good catch. You made my argument sound even better LOL thx
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gutsnglory ·
Just clarifying, are you saying there was a kid pitching for WVU who threw in the 70s?
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PGStaff ·
If there are approximately 300 right hand pitchers in the PG database that have been 90 or better, I'm guessing there is another 50 or more that aren't in the database. That is in any given class there could be as many as 350 or more RHPs at 90 or better. If you were to subtract the draft and considered Freshman, sophomores, juniors and seniors colleges account for 4 years, 4 recruiting classes. that does not account for red shirt years. Then there is another 50 or more LHPs throwing 90 or...
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Re: Winter pitching velocity

Wechson ·
My guy was in the same place and yes, he lost a little the first month or so after winter resting. Just takes time for the arm to get used to daily throwing, loosen up, etc. But by the time the showcases come around he should be back to the level where he left off, maybe a shade stronger or lower depending on how his body reacts. The benefits show up in a few more months. Natural progression would be 3-5mph improvement.
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22and25 ·
My 2022 ended the summer season in late July regularly hitting 83. In August he shut down throwing and started working out hard on a program through Cressey Sports Performance. He started throwing again in mid October touching 85 and touched 87 in early December. He put on roughly 13lbs of muscle and increased both flexibility and stability in key areas between early August and late October. Hopefully that is a data point you can use but I am not certain a sample size of one really means ...
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cabbagedad ·
Between natural growth progression and the velocity program, you can certainly expect to see increases but it really varies by individual. There is no formula. There can also be spurts and stalls. And, yes, certainly during ramp up, you can not only expect regression but must (in effect) force it - vitally important that the ramp up is properly gradual, not rushed. In fact, this is one of the challenges to fitting in a rest period, particularly from this age on as he may be dealing with...
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CTbballDad ·
I don't think attending a showcase in February will serve you much purpose, unless you just want your son to experience that type of setting for down the road. Sounds like your son did have a rest period, which is imperative. If he's just starting to throw lightly now, I'm not sure he should be going to a showcase in a month. As Cabbage points out, he's going to feel pressured to through hard, risk injury, with very little outcome on the other end.
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nycdad ·
A lot of the PBR state qualifying events are in Feb. At least here in the NE they are presidents week.
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57special ·
Keep in mind that a pitcher who throws 90, even once, has that follow him around for life. Even more so, a pitcher who throws 90 for a period of time, say a fall PG season. What I am seeing at the senior HS level is pitchers whose Velo has dropped off. Saw one LHP ( lower D1) who has a nasty curve and hit 85-86 consistently last fall is now low 80's and getting hit. Another RHP who hit 88 ( lower D1) as a 16 yo is now low 80's at 18 yo. Another who threw low 90's, sat high 80's(P5) is now...
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MrBumstead ·
30 mph That's the approximate minimum velo required for the ball to travel 60'-6" at a 45 degree launch angle. Anything less and the ball cannot possibly cross the plate. (Please excuse the pathetic engineering humor. )
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smokeminside ·
I coulda hit 30.
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Backstop22 ·
We saw a few 75-77's at a lower level academic D3 in the MW, but for a RH pitcher, I would say there are few who peak at 79 or lower who ever get the chance to pitch in college baseball from what we saw. Even at the Academic tryouts for the AZ Senior Classic, if a kid was not at least 85 in the morning tryouts, he was not invited to the Academic game. Of course for lefties, there is more of opportunity for "crafty lefties" but there does not seem to be any equivalent for RHPs unless they are...
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cabbagedad ·
This subject has been hammered countless times here... some of the data from PG and others are great. But agree with Pia Ump for short, quick answer... "80's" gets you somewhere when it's the kind that you know it when you see it. There are always stories about guys in 70's and they are true. But here is a twist on those guys that doesn't often get discussed. I think that most of those guys were not recruited as P's. They did something else as a position player and due to a variety of...
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57special ·
Just looked in on a Northwestern v Notre Dame game. Two guys came in from the bullpen for NWU. One's fastball sat 77-79(high of 80), and another 79-81(high 83). Their breaking pitches looked OK, but they couldn't throw consistent strikes with them. I bet somewhere there is a record of them throwing 87 mph.
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Nonamedad ·
Son is a pitcher, let's just say we have been very encouraged watching SEC baseball on Saturday on ESPN. Been seeing a lot of figures that look like snowmen in the little velocity box on TV. I hate seeing those pesky critters on my golf scorecard, but for a HS junior who has been told his whole life that you need to be 90+ to play D1its a nice surprise for my kid.
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2019OF ·
@Nonamedad Is right on point. All you hear is 90 90 90, but the games say 87 87 87. Now can those guys hit it once off a turf mound indoors? Probably, but they aren't all throwing that in game.
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StrainedOblique ·
Velo numbers are huge at the recruiting level but don't mean a whole lot in a NCAA D1 game . HC's throw guys that get outs . Period. It doesn't matter if it's crossing the plate at 83 mph . But HS parents of low velo pitchers be forewarned , That doesn't mean that they recruit guys that ' get outs' at the HS level. 85 on the left side / 88 on the right are the magic numbers for Mid-Upper Division 1 baseball.
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#1 Assistant Coach ·
HS underdog team making deep run in state playoffs recently vs a nationally ranked team. Underdog team, starting RHP at 5-8, 140, and sitting 73-75 was untouched through 3.1 innings. With score tied at 0-0 after 3 1/3, and a runner on 2nd due to Error, coaches assumed game would be decided by 1 or 2 runs, so they bring in their Big Gun who sits 88-90, tops at 92, to shut it down. Got shelled. Balls flying all over the field. Place went from cow pasture to construction site in an instant.
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3and2Fastball ·
Within 5 years I predict that spin rate will have a much bigger influence on who gets recruited where, but for now 80's is not likely enough to get you recruited to an SEC school to pitch. Maybe 88/89. Maybe...
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Rob T ·
There's a kid that was a Jr RHP on my son's team last season. He pitched a total of 1 inning the entire season. Didn't get on the mound at all this season. He couldn't hit 80 if he was throwing downhill off the Empire State Building. He's "signed" with a D3 to play next year. Of course: It's an out of state academic D3. They have 60 guys on the "roster" He's paying about $65,000 a year to go there. But hey, A guy throwing in the 70's can pitch in college.
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