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Re: Two Hands on the Bat!!

coach2709 ·
Is he getting hit on the front end of the swing or the follow through? Getting hit in the back of the head I could see horrible swings where they throw the barrel out then try to bring it through the zone which could get him. If it's on the backswing I would have to see it to figure out what's going on. It does get better as he gets older......thankfully
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Re: Two Hands on the Bat!!

Wesleythecacther ·
This is an unfortunate situation that happens at times for catchers (that's me). I have gotten hit by a bat in the chest, the kid threw the bat backwards after the swing, and it hit me across the chest and helmet, he was called out by the umpire.
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Re: Two Hands on the Bat!!

Coach_TV ·
I guess I look at it in simpler terms...why take your top hand off? What is the purpose/benefit behind it? When I work with my hitters I always encourage them to leave the top hand on all the way through the swing. The main reason is in watching video of them swinging there seemed to be a lot of early release of the hand, especially on off speed pitches. It was hard for some of them to work fight the urge to finish one-handed and some never did, but the ones that did work on it found better...
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Ted22 ·
Having both hands on during follow through may protect the lead shoulder from injury.
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old_school ·
I think there is a massive amount of evidence that shows the bolded to be incorrect, either method can be very good. I don't doubt your observations but I would guess it is a matter of the sample size being too small.
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Coach_May ·
The release is after the ball is struck. The vast majority of hitters release the top hand after contact. Some sooner than others. Leaving two hands on the bat after contact throughout the swing serves no useful purpose. In fact it can be detrimental to the hitter. Young hitters can have a tendency to release too early. They also can have a tendency to focus so hard on leaving two hands on the bat they actually limit their ability to have any extension in their swing. You can use Q's to help...
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Steve A. ·
Go, All good. No issues here at all. Clearly there are greats who did it both ways. Hank was also a front foot hitter. Ted, Babe, Joe D & all the old school guys kept both hands on it after finish. It is simply a matter of preference & individual body type & style. The one hand release does have logic behind it & certainly the two hand finish does as well. This is why it is a cool conversation. Regards, Steve
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Coach_TV ·
Yes it was a small sample size... like I said it was the hitters I worked with; which is 10-12 players who are 12 or 13...BUT, when I had a ball on the tee and had them swing to contact and stop, while holding the bat right by the ball take their top hand off and watch the barrel drop below the ball. The bat's they used were 30-32 inches and 22-26 oz's so nothing to heavy for 12 and 13 yr olds. I asked them all if they could be 100% sure they wouldn't take the top hand off until well past...
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Steve A. ·
The head should remain down "at" contact, not "before" contact. Go get a bat & swing at some balls off a tee. Hold on with both hands & finish & try to keep your head down at contact & a bit after contact (this is what the best do, just look at some video). Now do the same thing & release the top hand "after" contact & see if it does not feel free & easy in comparison. After this experiment, read Lau's book "The Art of Hitting .300" in its entirety & then...
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hshuler ·
Agree here as I was taught and subsequently, taught kids to get the top hand through the pitcher and after that it doesn't matter if one or two hands are on the bat.
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2forU ·
So Wesleythecatcher, as you can see it should not matter as long as you execute your swing with proper mechanics. It's all about you and what makes you more confident and comfortable at the plate. The mechanics are important, practice and video review as much as possible. You should be able to tell based on your hitting. Changing any part of your swing will take time (even if it's just letting go with a hand after impact).
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Go44dad ·
That makes no sense at all. How can something that happens after contact effect something that happened before? It may be better to release, it may not, but that's not the argument for it. I don't argue hitting mechanics, but can't help but point out faulty logic.
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Go44dad ·
George who? Steve A, you misunderstand me. I don't know, care or otherwise about one hand finish or two. But something that happens after doesn't effect what happened before. If you tell me the swing thought/mechanics/Muscle memory of releasing the top hand helps a hitter keep the bat in the zone longer helps in some way, ok. If you tell me the opposite, ok on that too.
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2forU ·
Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, Stan Musial, Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew = 12 hands on the bat
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Steve A. ·
Releasing the top hand after contact allows for the head to remain "down" on the point of contact. This is why Charlie Lau was an advocate of the top hand release. Look at George Brett's swing.
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MrBumstead ·
Two hands - leaves you more bat flip options when you hit a bomb.
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Vault Baseball Clinic & Camp - Pitching, Throwing, and Hitting - November 19/20 (Virginia Beach)

utilityman ·
Vault Fitness & Athletics will be hosting its first baseball clinic of the offseason on November 19-20. This two day camp will focus on the fundamental mechanics of pitching/throwing and hitting. The camp is 2 hours each day (12-2 pm) and is limited to 24 players total. Ages will be tee ball thru high school. Players will be divided into two groups by age (young/old) with a maximum of 12 players per group. Groups will switch coaches on the second day of camp. The camp will be staffed by...
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Re: Pulling the trigger

CaCO3Girl ·
What happened in the at bat? You covered strikes 1 and 2....AND THEN?
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Pulling the trigger

MDBallDad ·
At times I feel I have entered the world of the surreal with the sport of baseball. I was watching a scrimmage last week and my son was batting lead off. Pitch one, great pitchers pitch touched the black on the outside, would not have wanted him to swing so we are good. Pitch two was just below the belt, three inches outside middle...he watched strike two. Last year that would have been a double to the gap in right center. After the game he brought it up immediately saying..."I have no idea...
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CatsPop ·
^^^^^^^^^This. Concur 100% with cabbagedad. Watched son do similarly on 1,2,3 strikes early last year. It was with out a doubt the highest velo he had seen to that point, but I swear I don't think he moved except to track the pitch. He felt weird, stupid, confused afterward and I hope to never see it again, but probably will.
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MDBallDad ·
Cabbage, Yes he has been a three year leadoff in HS, in club he is leadoff, or 3 depending on the make-up of the squad. I appreciate the insight, that is what I believe too and that was the reassurance I provided, just wanted to make sure I covered the proverbial bases. Thanks!
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MDBallDad ·
I never like to speak poorly of the boys in blue but it appeared sitting directly behind home plate that wind shear must have caused the ball to be in the middle of the 1st base batters box and then somehow return to the strike zone in time for the call...struck out looking. I can live with that, it happens and I would have been concerned if he had swung at that one, expanding the zone 3" off the plate with 2 strikes to protect is good, chasing a pitch out there is just not a good idea. In...
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Re: Pulling the trigger

CaCO3Girl ·
I'd like to nominate this as the most useless post this board has EVER had...and that's saying something! *****said in complete jest********
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JCG ·
My son has been in this situation before. In fact he's a leadoff hitter and he's scuffling right now. Like Tres_A, I'm just a dad, but my thought has always been "do what you need to do to reach the same level of comfort you had with your swing and your approach when you were at your best." In other words, "get your bucket and your tee and get in the cage."
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NYdad2017 ·
It's more than likely an anomaly. I've seen it happen to my son, usually once a year. Maybe twice through all 3 seasons. It happens. Just advise him to laugh it off and get back on the horse.
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Bogeyorpar ·
I was just reading a Yogi Berra quote book, and this one stands out: "How can you think and hit at the same time?" Don't think too much, just hit it
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ClevelandDad ·
I mean, that observation is brilliant. We could observe Pete Rose or Babe Ruth or Mike Trout doing the EXACT same thing and draw the EXACT same conclusion as what is being discussed here. I'll take justbb's advice one step further - chill out people, chill out.
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real green ·
Obviously this has to do with a skirt! =-) Makes the mind soft...
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Batty67 ·
My general observation, and my 2017 son likes to tell me this: it's harder than it looks in the stands. Or something to that effect. We've all seen our son's chase a first-pitch CB (or one drops in), lay-off a fat second pitch FB, and get in a deep hole and chase (or worse...look at strike 3). All part of the game. Pros do the same thing from time-to-time. I suppose the key is whether this is anomaly, a trend, or a consistent approach/result. If the latter, he won't be lead-off for long.
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SluggerDad ·
A MLB scout once told us that you have to have what he called a yes-yes-yes - no approach rather than a no-no-no-yes approach. As I understood him, he meant that on each pitch you are looking to do damage as a default, holding up only when the pitch reveals itself as NOT hammerable. A no-no-no-yes approach would I guess be the opposite, it's like "show me that you are hittable, pitch. But until you show me, I'm laying off." (although with a pitcher that cant find the strike zone....) He says...
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Re: Pulling the trigger

tres_arboles ·
Just my opinion, but I think pulling the trigger and approach go hand and hand. Approach tracks both the situation and the hitter's strengths. Depending on the situation, hitter can isolate his zone, look for his pitch to hit, and swing when he gets it. Until he has two strikes on him. After two strikes, he has to expand the zone, but within reason, to give him the best chance of getting on base and not K looking. Again, I'm just a dad and never coached above the 12U level, but that's what...
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Re: Pulling the trigger

RJM ·
Hitters have to go to the plate with a plan and execute it. Yes, hitters can get fooled on a pitch and get punched out. But this sounds like an unprepared at bat.
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hshuler ·
If it's one pitch, nothing to analyze. It happens. If it becomes habitual, then maybe he's guessing.
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2forU ·
I'd be interested to know what he shared with the dugout.
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justbaseball ·
I have reached a point where I mostly just listen in conversations like this. I don't offer solutions very often. I may ask a question or two back to get a thought process going, but I don't offer much advice.
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MDBallDad ·
Thanks, appreciate the insight...
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cabbagedad ·
Curious, does he usually bat leadoff? There are a few spots in the lineup that typically require a different approach/mindset and, of course, leadoff is the most prominent. Aside from that, yes, it certainly happens where a hitter is just frozen in a situation where he usually pulls the trigger. Hitters work on a thousand different things, mechanically and mentally, and then are asked to narrow that to just one thought when they step in the box in a game. On top of that, the situation...
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Re: Pulling the trigger

Dominik85 ·
Is he doing active takes where he starts his lower body on every swing? https://youtu.be/GYDV0ScWq_k
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freddy77 ·
RJM, Now that you broke the ice, yeah, that was my first thought as well. One step further: If batters didn't screw up a LOT, then the games would last way too long. That's how I console myself in the 3B coaching box.
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RJM ·
So what's the problem? He was off his game one at bat. Sure, he could have had a better mental approach in the failed at bat. But, it's one at bat.
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2022NYC ·
Did have another AB in the game?
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MDBallDad ·
Appreciate everyone's insight and knowledge as always. At this point no reason to think it will become a consistent problem so we will keep monitoring but if it occurs you have all provided some sound advice to consider. Thanks!
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MDBallDad ·
4 PA 2 AB, 1 for 2 with a single the other PA's were a walk and a sac bunt
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hsbaseball101 ·
Probably got caught expecting a ball. His timing was off. Or it was the mental issue of having to deal being down 0-1.
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Dominik85 ·
Or if you can't stand listening to bobby for 15m just watch this https://twitter.com/CoachJeffL...567129606078464?s=09
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MDBallDad ·
Thanks Dominik, Yes his fundamentals were what they should be, appears to have just been a one time mental block. If it doesn't continue he should have another good year.
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Re: Looking for a hitting instructor in the Union County NJ area ...

Baseball Gamer ·
hi there - have you used him before ? what makes him so great ?
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Re: Looking for a hitting instructor in the Union County NJ area ...

K9 ·
Corey Smith of Upper Deck is excellent.
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Looking for a hitting instructor in the Union County NJ area ...

Baseball Gamer ·
My son is a 16 year old baseball player who currently plays for the GoYard Scout team during the fall. He plays varsity baseball during spring .. I wanted to have his swing analyzed by someone. My son has tournaments where he will bat 500 for the tournament and then has others where he will struggle with hitting lots of pop flies .. and lazy fly balls .. just want to see if he is doing something wrong .... thanks everyone .. this site is great
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K9 ·
My son (15U) has gone to him during off seasons for about 5 years. Very good communicator - he stopped playing only recently and communicates as an older peer rather than as a coach figure. Works with kids individually and does not impose the same swing on everyone. Teaches them how to diagnose their own issues and analyze themselves based on results.
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