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2007 Verbals

W Waffle10+ posts
I am trying to compile the 2007 verbals (from a # of sources). Any additions (or corrections) would be most appreciated:

Nov. 11, 2006 @ 11:15 p.m.

RICE:
Rick Hague (Klein) -- MIF
Matt Evers (Stratford) -- LHP
John Hale (Lamar) -- C
Chad Mozingo (Klein) -- OF
Carmen Angelini (Barbe, Lake Charles LA) -- MIF

U. OF TEXAS:
Cole Green (Coppell)-- RHP
Tant Shepherd (Flower Mound) -- CI
Kevin Keyes (Pflug. Connally) -- OF
Runey Davis (Georgetown) -- OF
Connor Rowe (Georgetown)
Brandon Workman (Bowie)-- RHP
Slayton Thomas (Corsicana) -- RHP
Cameron Rupp (Plana Prestwood) -- C

SAM HOUSTON:
Cody Springer (Montgomery) -- RHP
Justin Jackson (Magnolia) -- RHP
Kirk Pritchett (Milford) -- RHP
Braeden Riley (Woodville) -- INF/RHP
Dustin McCandless (Montgomery/Panola JC) --
Matt Shelton (Mansfield Timberview) -- RHP

TEXAS A&M
Kevin Aherns (Hou Memorial)-- INF
Aaron Daab (Katy) -- LHP
Andrew Nettune (Tyler) -- C
David Alleman (The Woodlands) -- OF
Will Middlebrooks (Libery Eylau) -- RHP/SS
Barrett Loux (Stratford) -- LHP
Brooks Dalely (Uvalde) -- RHP/OF
Nick Fleece (Ft. Worth Boswell)-- RHP
Eric Eiland (Hou Lamar) -- OF
Drake Britton (Tomball) -- LHP

U. OF HOUSTON
Chase Dempsay (Baytown Sterling)-- RHP/OF
Blake Kelson (Pflug.) -- MIF
Jared Ray (Waco Midway) -- RHP
David Murphy (Beaumont West Brook)-- 3B
Danny Hernandez (Temple) -- MIF
Ty Stuckey (Klein Collins)-- LHP

TCU:
Boogie Angnostou (La Porte) -- RHP/INF
Aaron Schultz (Klein Collins) -- OF
Zac Jordon (Ft. Bend Baptist) -- OF
Relly Mercurio (Bellaire) -- 1B
Taylor Parr (Woodlands) -- 1B
Greg Holle (Christian Bros-Albany, NY) -- P/OF
Sean Hoelscher (CC Calallen) -- RHP

TEXAS STATE:
Cody Gambill (Allen)-- OF
Brett Atwood (Katy) -- OF
Steven Vidaurri (Calallen) -- P/OF

TEXAS TECH:
Mickey Armstrong (The Woodlands) - C
Chad Bettis (Lubbock Monterrey)
Ryan Pressly (Carrollton Am Heritage) -- RHP

BAYLOR:
Chris Slater (Plano East) -- OF
Jon Ringenberg (Ft. Wayne, Indiana) -- RHP/SS
Ross Speed (Round Rock Westwood) -- RHP
Dan Evatt (Grapevine) -- 1B/OF

DALLAS BAPTIST
Josh Wilson (Canton)

UTSA:
Jason Pearch (Garland Naaman Forest) -- RHP
Taylor Carpenter (Mo. City Elkins) -- C
Brett Aguillar (SA Reagan)

UT-ARLINGTON
Adam Boydston (Lake Dallas) -- LHP

MCNEESE STATE:
Jake Rowell (LCM) -- C/1B)

ABILENE CHRISTIAN
Cameron Bankston (Burleson)

LAMAR:
Jeff Stringer (Bridge City) -- LHP

OLE MISS:
Tim Ferguson (Bmt. West Brook) -- MIF

LSU:
Johnny Dishon (Bridge City) -- OF
Micah Gibbs (Leander) -- C

ARKANSAS:
Kendall Korball (Langham Creek)-- RHP
Jacob House (Mansfield Timberview)
Brian Dixon (West Mesquite)
Brett Eibner (The Woodlands) -- OF
Conrad Flynn (Midland Lee) -- RHP

ARKANSAS STATE:
Tyler Stetzer (Rockwall) -- OF

OKLAHOMA:
Matt Hoffman (Owasso) -- RHP/OF
PJ Dean (New Caney) -- RHP/IF
Michael Rocha (Hays Consolidated) -- RHP
Ryan Duke (CC Calallen) -- RHP

STANFORD:
Jonathan Kaskow (Coppell)-- INF

VANDERBILT:
Chase Reid (Southlake Carroll)

MISSIOURI:
Russell LaFleur (Hou Morton Ranch) -- OF
Elroy Urbina (Hutto) -- LHP

U.S. MILITARY ACADEMY (WEST POINT)
Kane Kimrey
Cody Shorter (Klein Collins) -- C

U.S. NAVAL ACADEMY (ANNAPOLIS)
Zach Sipe (Huffman) -- RHP/OF

FURMAN:
John Patterson RHP/IF (Plano Prestonwood)
Kevin Smith (SA Christian) -- 3B

KANSAS STATE:
Carter Jurica (Katy) -- INF
Thomas Rooke (Oak Ridge) -- LHP/1B

BELMONT:
Derek Hamblen (Plano West)-- MIF

PACIFIC:
JB Brown (Brazosport) -- INF

CENTRAL FLORIDA
Hunter Hill (Prestonwood)
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U UTPanAmAlum100+ posts
In the late 1950's Robert Nettune's picture was taken on a fluke, when indeed Mr. Nettune's Aunt did not have the time to partake in such 'silliness'....A few years later, I think it was Mr. Nettune's great aunt or possibly his grand mother was looking at the advertisements for Gerber baby products and noticed the familiar face.

Dr. Nettune is a practicing ophthalmologist in Athens and the picture that you see today on Gerber baby products is that of Bob Nettune.

I stand by my claim although I may have erred in stating he was the original.
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W Waffle10+ posts
They are signing a lot of bodies. Following the Nebraska recipe, I guess....Sign a lot, split up the money, and hope some of 'em pan out. Actually, their roster only shows 4 graduating seniors (although one of them was the only guy to hit above .300 -- Salazar). They did lose Kershaw to the draft but have a lot of kids coming in anyway. Gonna get crowded at College Station, and some kids may find their $$ dropping....
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K KellerDad1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by UTPanAmAlum:
In the late 1950's Robert Nettune's picture was taken on a fluke, when indeed Mr. Nettune's Aunt did not have the time to partake in such 'silliness'....A few years later, I think it was Mr. Nettune's great aunt or possibly his grand mother was looking at the advertisements for Gerber baby products and noticed the familiar face.

Dr. Nettune is a practicing ophthalmologist in Athens and the picture that you see today on Gerber baby products is that of Bob Nettune.

I stand by my claim although I may have erred in stating he was the original.


Dr. Nettune is on of my wife's clients and she loves him to death. Says he is a great guy with that East Texas charm.
W Waffle10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by 62tiger:
Heard Bussey from La Porte has backed away from A&M and is going to San Jac. Seems to be a lot of kids getting out of College Station as fast as they can.


A couple of stories floating out there on Jake Bussey. One is that his grades were suspect and he might not/couldn't get into school. Another is that he hooked up with a 'consultant' who convinced him he was better off going to JUCO and trying to get drafted (what do you think the 'consultant's' interest in that would be?). Hard to tell at this point...

Nevertheless, Bussey is gone and, like LHP recruit Kevin Angelle, will now be at San Jac.
W Waffle10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Dtiger:
62Tiger- I've heard many rumors about the situation down there with my dad being an ex-aggie. What is your impression? Or what is anyones impression of what is going on down there?


A&M is coming off a terrible year. Some of their top incoming freshmen (Kershaw, Angelle, Bussey) are now not coming to College Station for a variety of reasons. When you fire a guy who is a proven winner (Johnson) who was only making around 125K, and hire a guy with no head coaching experience (Childress) and pay him 500K, expectations are high. Going 25-30 with a team ave. of 25-30 doesn't cut it.

Solution? Blame the players, get rid of them and bring in the 'next' bunch of saviours. A&M is going to have to 'pick up the pace' with their 2007 crop or this scene will keep repeating itself (granted I think the commits from Aherns and Nettune are good signs for the Aggies but beyond that: there sure is a lot of talent out there that is still uncommitted and A&M sure did fill up their dance card in a hurry. You wonder how much $ they have left to spend).

I also need to say that I do like some of the kids coming in for the 2006 season. I think the Ehlert kid from East Texas was a 'steal' for them, for example. The Minks kid could develop into a top of the rotation pitcher and the Heard kid is simply a baseball guy. Even with the losses, the 2006 group is a good one (certainly appearing much better overall than the 2007 crop). We'll just have to see from there. Maybe the Ags have some surprises in store...
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Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
Knowing the coaches at A&M on a personal level, I would say give it more than 1 year for evaluations. Let "their" recruits come in to tell the story.

It always amazes me to see people critique something they know so little about. Rob Childress did have head coaching experience and Matt Deggs is as good as they get.

But I guess that doesn't matter, it's easier to bad mouth something than it is to find out the facts.
W Waffle10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
Knowing the coaches at A&M on a personal level, I would say give it more than 1 year for evaluations. Let "their" recruits come in to tell the story.

It always amazes me to see people critique something they know so little about. Rob Childress did have head coaching experience and Matt Deggs is as good as they get.

But I guess that doesn't matter, it's easier to bad mouth something than it is to find out the facts.


I should have said that Childress did not have any head coaching experience at any 4 year institution (D1, D2, D3). He did have 1 (one) year at a local Jr. College; otherwise, he has been an assistant. Forgive my omission....but the point remains the same: he has had precious little experience running a program as the top guy. That doesn't make him a bad guy (nor does it make him a bad baseball guy)...one just wonders if that makes him the guy to run a program in the Big 12.

As far as Matt Deggs goes, I am sure you have a personal relationship with him, like him, etc. By the same token, he is 'touted' as an offensive coach. You'd have to look pretty far to find a D1 school who had a worse offense last year than Texas A&M. They had 1 guy hit better than .300 (a transfer from Sam Houston who hit .308). Their offense was anemic.

I hope you don't mind those facts. Sometimes it is easier to put on rose colored (maroon colored?) glasses than face the facts....
Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Waffle:
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
Knowing the coaches at A&M on a personal level, I would say give it more than 1 year for evaluations. Let "their" recruits come in to tell the story.

It always amazes me to see people critique something they know so little about. Rob Childress did have head coaching experience and Matt Deggs is as good as they get.

But I guess that doesn't matter, it's easier to bad mouth something than it is to find out the facts.


I should have said that Childress did not have any head coaching experience at any 4 year institution (D1, D2, D3). He did have 1 (one) year at a local Jr. College; otherwise, he has been an assistant. Forgive my omission....but the point remains the same: he has had precious little experience running a program as the top guy. That doesn't make him a bad guy (nor does it make him a bad baseball guy)...one just wonders if that makes him the guy to run a program in the Big 12.

As far as Matt Deggs goes, I am sure you have a personal relationship with him, like him, etc. By the same token, he is 'touted' as an offensive coach. You'd have to look pretty far to find a D1 school who had a worse offense last year than Texas A&M. They had 1 guy hit better than .300 (a transfer from Sam Houston who hit .308). Their offense was anemic.

I hope you don't mind those facts. Sometimes it is easier to put on rose colored (maroon colored?) glasses than face the facts....


Again, wait until they have players to work with that they have recruited.

What makes you think that Childress and Deggs could turn a team around that struggled in years before their tenure. For the most part, same team, not their selected players. And by the way, that transfer SS... a DBAT guy. Oh, and Sulentic and Kershaw signees....DBAT guys.

Talk to me in 5 years. Unless, that is, your still complaining about the blueberries in your WAFFLES.

Peeking over my sun glasses regards,

KG
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DC DBAT Coach100+ posts
Matt Deggs took over a struggling program at Texarkana JC and in 3 years had them in the JUCO World Series with fewer scholarships than most any team in their conference and/or region. Including San Jac, Navarro and Blinn. He will help produce a winner at A&M no doubt about it.

KG is right, this guy is good. One of the best coaches I have ever had the opportunity to coach against.
W Waffle10+ posts
1. I don't get the point that some of the guys at A&M were DBAT guys. First, I think DBAT is great program and probably the best in the Dallas area. They are talented, well-coached, etc.

2. I don't doubt Deggs or Childress are good men, probably good coaches if put in the proper role.

3. I do disagree with the struggling program concept to some extent. In Johnson's last year at A&M, they were 30-25. The new coach gave them a 10 game swing ....downward. The year before? They were in the Super Regional. In Johnson's 20-plus years there, he had 1 losing season (2000). Childress has already tied him.

4. As far as taking over a program and needing time to let their 'own' recruits change things, that is an excuse, and a bad one at that. Drive a little further south and look what happened when an experienced head coach took over a program in much more disarray (and a lot less money than A&M's) -- Rice hired Wayne Graham. In his first year, Rice went from 16-34 to 29-26 and the rest, as they say, is history. That's how you turn around a program.

With that being said, this all got started because of some questions raised about A&M's recruits/verbal commits for this year. Others raised issues first about A&M. I hope A&M can rebound to some of the grandeur it had under Coach Johnson. It will make baseball in this State more competitive and more enjoyable. I wonder if Childress will schedule a home and home with Sam????
T Texan1,000+ posts
Exactly, Waffle. For the life of me I can't understand how a Super Regional indicates a struggling program. Mad

Johnson was the winningest coach in A&M history, & one of the best among the active coaches in all college ball. A real class act. But "Dollar Bill" wants to put in his own crew. So one "down" year was all the excuse Dollar Bill needed. Of course last year looks pretty good compared to this season.

I was very disappointed that the program was unable to hire a proven, top tier coach. But after the way Johnson was treated, it appeared to create some misgivings among their first cadre of candidates. They were unable to land any of their top choices. So now we can only hope that the new crew can adjust to their new roles & succeed.
Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
This proves again, that discussing an issue with those who really don't understand the "behind the scenes" aspect of the game... will get you nowhere fast.

From the outside looking in, your comments may be justified. But if you justify the coaching change by a 10 game swing with a close to .500 team both before and after....only proves my point.

I'm sure Mark Johnson is a fine man. His history says so.

But let's give the new guys a chance to gather their own history. Unless you call 1 year a history.

For now, I will further hold my comments on the A&M coaching topic hoping to devote the thread back to the original purpose.
T Texan1,000+ posts
I'm sorry, KG. I forgot that you are the only person in the world with any baseball knowledge. Roll Eyes

Johnson's last years:
2005 30-25-1
2004 42-22 NCAA Super Regional
2003 45-19 NCAA Regional
2002 35-24
2001 33-27
2000 25-32
1999 52-18 Big 12 Championship, NCAA CWS
1998 46-20 Big 12 Championship, NCAA Regional
1997 37-21 NCAA Regional
1996 44-22-1

Yessir, that is a record that just SCREAMS clapping for a coaching change. Yep...

Yes, there was a fall off in 2000. But the overall trend after that year was certainly up. Looking at 2001 & beyond, 2005 was a glitch, not a trend.

His record at A&M: 876 victories, 433 losses, and three ties. Speaks for itself.

Again, best of luck to the new crew.
T Texan1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
What makes you think that Childress and Deggs could turn a team around that struggled in years before their tenure.


I did read your posts, as you can see above. Did you or did you not post the above? Did someone hack in the system & post this for you?

"Struggled for years" - your words, are they not?

You're right, you didn't "debate whether or not Mark Johnson did well". You just said his program had "struggled for years".

Did my last post address your statement? Yep. Sure did.

'Nuf said.
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Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Texan:
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
What makes you think that Childress and Deggs could turn a team around that struggled in years before their tenure.


I did read your posts, as you can see above. Did you or did you not post the above? Did someone hack in the system & post this for you?

"Struggled for years" - your words, are they not?

You're right, you didn't "debate whether or not Mark Johnson did well". You just said his program had "struggled for years".

Did my last post address your statement? Yep. Sure did.

'Nuf said.


2 post season appearances since 1999 doesn't prove much success in my book.

Nuff said.
swingdoctor14swingdoctor14500+ posts
My Two Cents if either of you care.

I feel like the glory days of Texas and Texas A & M being the only two choices for a blue chipper have changed over the last 10 years.
Cause could be TV coverage or the media getting on the ball and giving other exposure or whatever to other programs. Winning a National Championship at Rice woke everyone up that it could happen anywhere.
There were many great coaches at many great schools that never got the exposure that the BIG TWO did. That has changed. Throw in the June draft taking signed prospects and signing following their junior year and a pitching staff can go dry in 1 year. It starts on the mound.
Junior Colleges have become more of an option as well with players now being more educated on their choices.
Maintaining greatness is harder now than ever in college baseball.
As George Bush would say "I think you are both correct in your own way!"
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T Texan1,000+ posts
You are correct. The Big 12 is a very good & tough conference. Add in the other major Texas schools (Rice, TCU, etc.) and this is a hot region for baseball. Not to mention San Jac & the other JUCO's.

That draft can hurt as well. If I recall properly, one year A&M had six pitchers drafted. Talk about wiping out your staff.

And then there is that wonderful scholarship allotment for baseball...
N nhoubbkMember
"Even with the losses, the 2006 group is a good one (certainly appearing much better overall than the 2007 crop). We'll just have to see from there. Maybe the Ags have some surprises in store..."


This is my first post, so I'm trying to get the hang of it.....

Waffle: As for the quote above as well as the one about the Chad Mozingo verbal to A & M as "Interesting",.. you obviously aren't up to speed on the local talent pool in Houston.

David Alleman is a top-notch outfielder who was a huge contributor to the Woodlands success, and Chad Mozingo chose A & M over the likes of Rice, LSU, Baylor, U of H, TCU and UNLV. He batted .389 for his Jr season in the tough 14 5a district (Woodlands, Klein Collins, Klein), was named to Texas Area Code, and is probably the only kid anywhere who can say he hit a grand slam off Kyle Drabek (in district play back in April). Barret Loux is a very good pitcher as well. So, to suggest that Ahrens and Nettune are the only legit kids, is simply not accurate in my opinion.

As for the coaching staff, I heard that a prominent pitcher who played for both Johnson (2 years) and Childress (1 yr) has endorsed the new staff with flying colors. He is moving on to the pros, but I can tell you that I heard that the only regret he has at A & M was that he didn't play for the new staff all three years. He said that these guys are very, very good, and predicts they will win big, and win soon.

Granted, it doesn't help that some great kids have changed their minds, or that Mitch Nelson (incoming Tomball pitcher) may miss his '07 season due to another injury...but point being...I have actually heard great things about thye future of A & M baseball.

Last thing...while the Aggies w/l record was not good last year, have a look at the number of 1-run losses. They didn't exactly get blown out...
W Waffle10+ posts
Okay, I really hate to get back into the "let's rate the Aggies" since that seems to always cause a slew of posts (pro and con). On the other hand...

(1) Being the big fan of Childress that you are, then you must be troubled by the large number of 1-run losses. You'd think good coaching might make a difference in at least some of those games...

(2) Regarding the hearsay from 1 pitcher, I prefer to rely on some other objective facts such as the # of players transferring out of College Station. If it is so great to be there...

(3) The signing of Mozingo was interesting to me, not because he is not a quality player but because they need to sign some top-level pitching (and they had already signed a # of position players). Mozingo is a quality player. He is reasonably fast (as low as 6.7) with an average to above-average D-1 arm and bat. I have seen him play several times (both games and tryouts). No problem with his talent. I just thought A&M would go another direction.

(4) I do think the 2 best signs so far are Aherns and Nettune. Aherns may very well be the best hitter in Houston. He does not have 'great' foot speed but plays much faster and has a cannon of an arm from the left side of the infield. The biggest risk would be if he moves up as a high draft choice. As far as Nettune, the Aggies need a catcher (their catching was, at best, pathetic last year). Nettune is a top flight catcher now and should only get better. Right now, he is an upgrade there.

(5) I am not as big a fan of the Alleman sign. He is a very good HS player but, as a CF at that level, he is a 7.7 runner. At Area Code, nearly all (if not all) of the catchers ran faster. That is not a D-1 CF. He could DH or move to LF. He does switch hit, and that helps, but, again, I just think they could've spent their scholarship money in a more productive way.

(6) Loux is probably the most projectable sign of the pitchers. Raley and Daab are low velocity guys (82-85) and, while good HS pitchers, I think the jury is out on their ability as D-1 guys. Loux is not a true velocity guy, either, but he does have the body to grow into and develop that type of power. I think Middlebrooks (who I haven't seen much) could be a true sleeper. He has a live arm and some athletic ability to go with it.

(7) I do stand by my earlier comment that I like the 2006 class better (even with the loss of Bussey from La Porte).

Lastly, I understand that I probably ought to move this to another thread "Aggies -- love 'em or hate 'em". Actually, I have feelings neither way although I do know several kids who are (or are going) there to play. This is just my evaluation of how their recruiting season is going so far.

And I'd love for the Aggies to return to the prominence they enjoyed in the Johnson years. It would be a huge plus for Texas collegiate baseball.

And, geez, I know I'm gonna regret opening this can of worms.........
OUBsbMomOUBsbMom500+ posts
Waffle,

Did you mean Brooks Raley from Uvalde rather than Daley? My son played with his brother Russell Raley at OU and I met Brooks this past year. I had heard that he was a pretty good pitcher and at the time was undecided about his college commitment. I would say the Aggies are definitely getting a pretty good one if it is indeed Brooks Raley.


Ann
S starbuckMember
Waffle, I think you are on to something concerning A&M. Mozingo is a wonderful player, but it appears to me the Ags need pitching, pitching, and more pitching. With the NCAA going to 5 games a week, how can Childress not go after more pitching. There are two young men, Drake Britton and Ty Stucky, that from what I understand were very interested in A&M. In fact I talked to both dads and they were at one time expecting an offer. But the word on the street is that A&M wouldn't pony up to the bar and even get close to what other schools were offering. Hopefully for the Ags it works out, but I'm one Aggie that would have loved to have seen one (or both) of those lefties pitching from the mound at Olsen Field.
S Sox&StrosMember
You are correct. The Big 12 is a very good & tough conference. Add in the other major Texas schools (Rice, TCU, etc.) and this is a hot region for baseball. Not to mention San Jac & the other JUCO's.

That draft can hurt as well. If I recall properly, one year A&M had six pitchers drafted. Talk about wiping out your staff.

And then there is that wonderful scholarship allotment for baseball...
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Nice omission of UH. Especially given that UH has quite arguably had a better program than TCU, Baylor and A&M over the last 6-8 years. UH has been closer to reaching Omaha than the aforementioned schools, and in both occasions lost in the super regionals to the eventual champion (Rice and Texas-Austin).

In either 2001 or 2003, I do not readily recall, UH lost 10-12 to the draft.
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UE Uncle Ethan100+ posts
Sox&Stros,
It would be hard to argue UH as being better than Baylor. The Bears were in Omaha in 2005. Also, through 2005, Baylor led the Big 12 in winning percentage, number of first or second team All Big 12 selections, number of NCAA Tournament appearances, and most number of major league draft selections. Throw in a nationally recognized facility and I would say BU trumps UH hands down.
BP BP Pitcher10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Sox&Stros:

And then there is that wonderful scholarship allotment for baseball...[QUOTE]


Speaking of which, has anybody heard any progress on the NCAA front of expanding the baseball scholarship allotment? I know there has been discussions last year. (see excerpt below from Baseball America article August 2005)

The baseball committee looked at some preliminary models for increasing scholarships in baseball. One proposes raising the limit of 11.7 scholarships to about 14, still to be divvied between several players. The other is more radical, proposing 27 individual scholarships that cover tuition and fees only--leaving the responsibility of paying for housing, food and books on the students. That number was selected because an average of 26.8 players on Division I teams received some sort of scholarship aid in 2005.
The second model with tuition scholarships would tighten the gap between public and private schools.
"A lot of coaches I've talked to are very interested in the tuition concept," Keilitz said. "The one nice thing about it is now cost for all kids is going to be pretty much the same because room and board is pretty much the same between all universities--public and private. (Recruiters) would be selling the school, academics and program tradition--not the cost anymore."
Keilitz will further project these models and present them to the committee at its November meeting in an attempt to get the scholarship package on the legislative cycle in the future.
S Sox&StrosMember
quote:
It would be hard to argue UH as being better than Baylor. The Bears were in Omaha in 2005. Also, through 2005, Baylor led the Big 12 in winning percentage, number of first or second team All Big 12 selections, number of NCAA Tournament appearances, and most number of major league draft selections. Throw in a nationally recognized facility and I would say BU trumps UH hands down.


Well, let's take a look at head to head competition. I can not find data from the late 90's and 2000. UH made it to regionals in both 99 and 2000 and a super regional in 2000. It looks like Baylor also made regionals those years. UH has placed *many* on All conference teams over recent years, quite a few into the all time record books for college baseball and a few into All-American honors as well. Currently have 20+ in the minor leagues and 4 or 5 playing pro ball.

Nonetheless, I will revise and say the records speak for a relatively equal comparison, far from dominance by Baylor that you assert.

2001--Baylor wins annual series
2002--Houston wins annual series
2003--Baylor wins
2004--Houston wins
2005--Tied, each winning one game
2006--Houston wins

Granted Baylor made to CWS in 2005, but granted UH was the only team in the postseason to beat Rice (2003) or UT (2002) the years they won the CWS. Both times at their respective homes during the super regional. Baylor might have a slight edge with their new field, but it is not far superior to the facilities at UH. The facilities and grounds at UH are quite adequate and good.

Neverthless, UH should not be excluded as a Texas collegiate team that perennially flirts with and frequently cracks the top 25.
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L LIONS100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by MeatsDad:
quote:
Originally posted by BAAAACK:
John Paterson to Furman University, Cameron Rupp to University of Texas, Hunter hill to Cental Florida makes Three 2007 Prestonwood Christian Players to commit to a D1 Program.


What summer programs did these guys play for?

Did they stay with the same team from 3 years?


Hunter Hill- Dallas Mustangs Last 3 Years
Patterson - Dallas Tigers(M) - Dallas Dodgers- Dallas Mustangs
Rupp -Dallas Tigers (M)- DBAT -DBAT
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Panther DadPanther Dad5,000+ posts
The success of the PCA Lions and the kids that play there is not surprising. The program offers a nice alternative for kids that face "strange" circumstances in their public school programs. They get a great Christian-based education and good coaching as a bonus. This is true for other private schools as well. As long as kids can move from private to public schools...and back...there will be a high-level of competition at all levels. I'll leave it to others to argue the merits of moves for "athletic purposes". In these cases, I know the kids can benefit from the PCA experience in areas other than baseball -- see Proverbs 3:5. Smile

Though all of these kids have had outstanding numbers at PCA, their baseball success stories must include credit to their summer programs.....a topic that has been discussed often.

Cam and Hunter and John are not the first PCA D1 baseball players....and they will not be the last. Congratulations, men!
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C crawdad100+ posts
I have a question - with only 9.7 scholarships for the whole TEAM what are the 8 or 9 '07 UT early commitments agreeing to sign for? Assuming that at least SOME of the current players on the UT roster are getting SOME scholarship money how can 8 or 9 early commits divide up such a small pie?

I am probably missing something because I will admit that I do not know as much about the NCAA scholarship rules as most of you. I just cannot believe that the Longhorns can continue to gain commitments when I would think they would not have any scholarship money available. Obviously they do.
cheapseatscheapseats1,000+ posts
Crawdad - I hear what you are saying but it would be my uneducated guess that many recruits would be happy to take the spot and take a small piece of the pie....Texas has such an elite program ... the school and the program are both difficult to get into so I think that would be a hard one to pass on no matter what the $$ is .... I know lots of guys that would sign-on for free for that opportunity.
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SWACSWAC500+ posts
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how can 8 or 9 early commits divide up such a small pie?

I just cannot believe that the Longhorns can continue to gain commitments when I would think they would not have any scholarship money available. Obviously they do.


Crawdad I think you hit it right on the head but also factor the following:

1. Academic Scholarships
2. Pell Grants
3. Guarenteed Student Loans

When all is factored, 8-9 scholarships can go a long way especially when some commitments may take 20% just to go to Texas. Plus the cost is not that expensive.
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F FormerObserver1,000+ posts
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the school and the program are both difficult to get into so I think that would be a hard one to pass on no matter what the $$ is .... I know lots of guys that would sign-on for free for that opportunity.


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You have too take into consideration that not all will end up on the 40 acres. Some will venture to pro ball at draft time next year.


Two excellent observations.
Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
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Brett Eibner -- OF (The Woodlands) to Arkansas.


Nothing at all against this signing, by the way, congratulations to this young man........but....... it seems that Arkansas signs about 50 guys every year. Anybody else notice this, or is it just me?

I hear they have one of the MOST beautiful baseball facilities in the country. I'd love to see it someday myself!
W Waffle10+ posts
I assume you mean M. Wild, a RHP who will be a soph this season. Has mid to upper-80s velocity, throws from a sidearm slot, etc. Comes from athletic family.

He pitched in 6 games as freshman (8 IP, no decisions, no saves, 4.50 ERA). It is hard to tell much more from the stat sheet than that. I do know that Arkansas, over the course of the year, used 13 different pitchers and 15 position players (whatever the heck that means).
StudentofthegameStudentofthegame100+ posts
Whatever college Stafford ends up with will be in for a pleasant suprise. While he might not light the gun up like some kids, he flat out knows how to pitch and get people out. I caught him the past 2 high school seasons and this summer, and he has learned how to use everything he has to his advantage. I think he was 12-1 as a soph, 13-1 as a jr, and only lost one game this summer.
R ReidMember
I like to drop by and every once in awhile to see who is committing where. I think I need to change my name, Uncle Ethan is to smart for me and found out my secret identity haha

PS
Monk, it has been a lot fun playing with you all these years. I hope that we get a chance to play together again. Good luck this spring and have fun being a “commodore” next summer Smile
UE Uncle Ethan100+ posts
Meaning no disrespect to anyone, but if you don't believe that coaches and scouts base their decisions on how a player projects, all you have to do is look at the two Mustang pitchers discussed in the most recent posts. STUDent of the Game eloquently cites Stafford's EFFECTIVENESS over an extended period against top competition, even though Stafford is not the prototypical pitcher's body. Yet, he has not committed.

Pearce, at 6'7" and 92 mph, has not had near the EFFECTIVENESS of Stafford, yet he has already committed to UTSA. Why? It is how he projects.

Congratulations to Jason, who is deserving. Congratulations will be in order to Stafford, who is also deserving. He will just have to be a little more patient.
C cootbear10+ posts
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Originally posted by 62tiger:
Baylor signed alot of kids last year from what I hear. I heard they do not have a lot of $$$. Plus I heard they got burned on a few early signees.


I'm assuming you mean early committments. All of their '06 signees showed except Clay Fuller. Ive been to several fall intrasquads, by the way, and that young talent is exciting. Aaron Miller and Shaver Hansen (SS from Grand Junction, CO) can mash, not to mention Dustin Dickerson. Volz was throwing mid 90s the other day as well. They'll be young, but geez, will they ever be loaded with talent.
oldbat-neveroldbat-never1,000+ posts
CONGRATS THOMAS!!!!!!!

I had the opportunity to meet Thomas and his mother at the PG Baylor event this summer, what a nice young/talented man. Thomas's mother is a poster on here and I would like to send out a BIG CONGRATS to their family!!!!

PS My husband is a wildcat so if you need any extra purple shirts I think I might just have some!!!
Infield08Infield081,000+ posts
This just in from New York:

ALBANY -- Greg Holle's dream is to own a pair of cowboy boots. Problem is, he wears a size 17 and can't find ones that fit from the limited selection of Western stores in upstate New York.

That won't be a problem where he's headed.

Holle, a 6-foot-8, 220-pound senior at Christian Brothers Academy, confirmed Tuesday that he has accepted a full baseball scholarship to Texas Christian University in Fort Worth.

He'll pitch, play outfield and get his hands on those coveted boots.

"Some of the guys on the team said, 'Come on down here, and we'll find ya a pair, even if we have to get them specially made,' " Holle said in a conference room at CBA. "I knew it was the right place when I got down there and got on the field, talked to the guys and saw how practice goes."

Holle looks and sounds the part of a Texan, though he's lived his whole life in the Capital Region. He speaks with a Southern accent, listens to country music and wears a big, shiny, silver cow head belt buckle.

He chose TCU, which he visited over the weekend, over Rice, Villanova, Louisville, Richmond, Notre Dame and LSU. He also was recruited to play basketball and baseball at Siena, where his father and brother, both named Gary, played. He turned down Siena because, among other reasons, he did not want to stay in the area.

"I've always wanted to go down south," Holle said.

Holle batted .357 with a team-high six home runs and 24 RBI to go along with 2.67 earned-run average and 38 strikeouts over 21 innings for the South Troy Dodgers this summer. He is considered one of the nation's top prospects.

Not bad for a kid who almost gave baseball up four years ago.

Holle didn't play baseball during his freshman year, focusing instead on basketball. South Troy Dodgers coach George Rogers convinced Holle to play baseball during the summer before his sophomore year.

Rogers said TCU is "getting a kid who's a hard worker. The kind whose work ethic is tremendous. The kind who shows up at the field every night to work on his game or to run."

The Horned Frogs of TCU were 41-20 last season and won the Mountain West Conference for the second consecutive year.

TCU was one of many schools that also wanted Holle to play basketball. He said he's focusing on baseball for now but did not rule out playing both at some point. He also broached the idea of forgoing college if he's selected in the major league draft, but only if he's offered an "ungodly" amount of money.
C cooter10+ posts
Hammock is really swung it well this Fall. Looks like a kid who will be a definite asset offensively at some point. He is playing 3B where he has shown improvements defensively as well. He is in competition with Raynor Campbell over there who can pick it, thus his position may turn out to be righy DH if Raynor shows well early with the bat.

Bailey has had a pretty decent fall. Will need to get stronger it appears but is no doubt a talent. I'm thinking he will likely redshirt. plenty of projectable talent there however.
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