60yd times (Getting Times down to 6.7 and below possible?)

Linedrive_07 posted:

RJM, so you knew he most likely had the potential based on genetics, so I gather from this and your previous post is that he may of been the type of Athlete that would of been a 7.0 -6.8 type runner without having to really hit the weights or do any speed training?  From there he worked hard and was able to hit 6.5?  Fair to say?

Yes. The weird thing is after training his stride had a smooth glide to it. He was faster than he looked. Some players look like they’re churning up the bases coming around second. He looked like a glider.

RJM, I know what you mean... It seems like those that glide are better balanced between Quad and Hamstring strength, while the others are more Quad dominant.

Linedrive_07 posted:

RJM, I know what you mean... It seems like those that glide are better balanced between Quad and Hamstring strength, while the others are more Quad dominant.

Yeah, look at usain bolt, he often looked like he didn't even try. A pushing quad dominant style is better for accelerating on the first 50-60 feet but that modern pulling sprinting style is better for top speed and maintaining it.

Not sure how relevant this is for baseball through as most sprints in baseball are like 30-100 feet. So not sure how much sense it makes to develope good top speed mechanics but if coaches look at the 60 it might be worth it. If you look at top sprinters their mechanics from 0-30 meters look much different than the mechanics they use the rest of the race.

Dominik85 posted:

Linedrive_07 posted:

RJM, I know what you mean... It seems like those that glide are better balanced between Quad and Hamstring strength, while the others are more Quad dominant.

Yeah, look at usain bolt, he often looked like he didn't even try. A pushing quad dominant style is better for accelerating on the first 50-60 feet but that modern pulling sprinting style is better for top speed and maintaining it.

Not sure how relevant this is for baseball through as most sprints in baseball are like 30-100 feet. So not sure how much sense it makes to develope good top speed mechanics but if coaches look at the 60 it might be worth it. If you look at top sprinters their mechanics from 0-30 meters look much different than the mechanics they use the rest of the race.

 

It is definitely relavant for the 60yd showcasing, and then coming into play scoring from 2nd on a single, etc.  My 2019 is quad dominant right now, so it’s a work in progress for him.

My 2021 ran a 6.5/6.6 60 on natural talent alone. We sent him to a very well respected speed/agility trainer last year for some technique help when we realized what an asset his speed was. That trainer's first response was "yeah, he's fast, but he can be faster." He teaches a combination of specific strength training exercises and techniques to improve speed. So as others here have said, a player can definitely improve their speed to some extent. But keep in mind, natural speed is a result of physical attributes (check out the Sports Gene by David Epstein for more info). So there is a limit as to how much increase there can be.

Zia2021 posted:

My 2021 ran a 6.5/6.6 60 on natural talent alone. We sent him to a very well respected speed/agility trainer last year for some technique help when we realized what an asset his speed was. That trainer's first response was "yeah, he's fast, but he can be faster." He teaches a combination of specific strength training exercises and techniques to improve speed. So as others here have said, a player can definitely improve their speed to some extent. But keep in mind, natural speed is a result of physical attributes (check out the Sports Gene by David Epstein for more info). So there is a limit as to how much increase there can be.

Of course there are some that are natural athletes while most are not, which is why in my original statement/question, being an athlete was presumed.  If your 2021 was already hitting a 6.5 by just showing up,it would make sense that he would have 6.2 potential if he puts in the work.  I am going to guess he is pretty matured physically for a 2021..  

Linedrive_07 posted:

Zia2021 posted:

My 2021 ran a 6.5/6.6 60 on natural talent alone. We sent him to a very well respected speed/agility trainer last year for some technique help when we realized what an asset his speed was. That trainer's first response was "yeah, he's fast, but he can be faster." He teaches a combination of specific strength training exercises and techniques to improve speed. So as others here have said, a player can definitely improve their speed to some extent. But keep in mind, natural speed is a result of physical attributes (check out the Sports Gene by David Epstein for more info). So there is a limit as to how much increase there can be.

Of course there are some that are natural athletes while most are not, which is why in my original statement/question, being an athlete was presumed.  If your 2021 was already hitting a 6.5 by just showing up,it would make sense that he would have 6.2 potential if he puts in the work.  I am going to guess he is pretty matured physically for a 2021..  

He pretty mature physically for almost 15 years old based on the measure that he is well into puberty now. However, he's not a big, tall kid. I think he's about 5'8" or 5'9" right now. We aren't optimistic that he's going to be real tall (but we hope lol). 

Zia2021 posted:

Linedrive_07 posted:

Zia2021 posted:

My 2021 ran a 6.5/6.6 60 on natural talent alone. We sent him to a very well respected speed/agility trainer last year for some technique help when we realized what an asset his speed was. That trainer's first response was "yeah, he's fast, but he can be faster." He teaches a combination of specific strength training exercises and techniques to improve speed. So as others here have said, a player can definitely improve their speed to some extent. But keep in mind, natural speed is a result of physical attributes (check out the Sports Gene by David Epstein for more info). So there is a limit as to how much increase there can be.

Of course there are some that are natural athletes while most are not, which is why in my original statement/question, being an athlete was presumed.  If your 2021 was already hitting a 6.5 by just showing up,it would make sense that he would have 6.2 potential if he puts in the work.  I am going to guess he is pretty matured physically for a 2021..  

He pretty mature physically for almost 15 years old based on the measure that he is well into puberty now. However, he's not a big, tall kid. I think he's about 5'8" or 5'9" right now. We aren't optimistic that he's going to be real tall (but we hope lol). 

Ha, I hear you.  I learned a while back that there is a pretty big window in development when going through puberty.  It is very difficult to compare apples to apples during the teens, for example two 14 year olds based on calendar, one can be 17 with regards to puberty and the other 11, so they can be up to 3 years ahead or up to 3 years behind.  My 2019 for instance is roughly 2.5years behind per his physician, which makes for a very interesting/challenging baseball pursuit to say the least.. Ha