There are other things that the advisor can help with besides the draft.
Can you outline some of the other benefits besides the draft?
bacdorslider posted:There are other things that the advisor can help with besides the draft.
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Player has already committed, not draft eligible for awhile. You asked a question here, now you just told us that there are other things they can help with, so tell us.
Sorry but if were my son, I would have entertained all discussions from all parties and told them when son was ready I would contact them, closer to senior year.
Lots of things can happen between now and then.
JMO
So the thinking is that 2018's are too young to have an advisor because their draft year is too far out? So the scouts are working on the 2016's and I would guess every other level that's draft eligible. I get that...
I do not see why waiting is an advantage when you can change advisors anytime you want and they can drop you anytime they want.
There are a few things that this particular advisor has been helpful with. I would rather not discuss it on a public forum .
I agree lots of things can happen between now and then. I feel it's better to have one than not to have one.
I also like the fact that while 2018 is traveling around the country and I cannot be there , someone is .
bacdorslider posted:So the thinking is that 2018's are too young to have an advisor because their draft year is too far out? So the scouts are working on the 2016's and I would guess every other level that's draft eligible. I get that...
I do not see why waiting is an advantage when you can change advisors anytime you want and they can drop you anytime they want.
There are a few things that this particular advisor has been helpful with. I would rather not discuss it on a public forum .
I agree lots of things can happen between now and then. I feel it's better to have one than not to have one.
I also like the fact that while 2018 is traveling around the country and I cannot be there , someone is .
So it appears you answered your own question.
Our 2016 did not have any advisors seeming interested in representing him during the summer of 2015. Most players on his travel team did. Last fall he continued to play better and better and after a phenomenal Jupiter in which they won the national championship he had 4-5 reaching out to him. His college coach stated unless your a 1st round pick you don't need one and basically said don't get one. For the longest time we did not. We ended up meeting in person with one advisor from ACES baseball. 4 months went by and finally this week we proceeded to secure their services. As a 2018-2019 player you don't need one right now. We are approximately 1 month before the draft and we just got ours.
This is actually happening more and more these days. The scouting bureau is concentrating more on underclassmen. MLB clubs are hiring scouts to follow underclassmen. And we all know how college recruiting is working these days.
So I don't see anything wrong with having an advisor, provided that advisor proves to show an interest in the player. Most important is trust, remember there are a lot out there that will disappear as easy as they showed up in the first place.
The best advisors/agents truly put the players interests ahead of their own. In the end both benefit by doing this. I would always consider those that have been the most successful. You want someone that can afford to be honest rather than the guy that needs a quick pay day. Plus they have more contacts and can find out more.
So does anyone actually need one two years ahead of the draft? Most probably don't, but I don't see it as a real problem. So much depends on who that advisor is, how helpful he can be, and how much you trust his advice is in your son's best interests. At the same time, always be in charge of the situation, because nobody is going to care as much as you do.
TPM posted:bacdorslider posted:So the thinking is that 2018's are too young to have an advisor because their draft year is too far out? So the scouts are working on the 2016's and I would guess every other level that's draft eligible. I get that...
I do not see why waiting is an advantage when you can change advisors anytime you want and they can drop you anytime they want.
There are a few things that this particular advisor has been helpful with. I would rather not discuss it on a public forum .
I agree lots of things can happen between now and then. I feel it's better to have one than not to have one.
I also like the fact that while 2018 is traveling around the country and I cannot be there , someone is .
So it appears you answered your own question.
Apparently so... I really just wanted to see the answers from my question.
baseballdad65 posted:Our 2016 did not have any advisors seeming interested in representing him during the summer of 2015. Most players on his travel team did. Last fall he continued to play better and better and after a phenomenal Jupiter in which they won the national championship he had 4-5 reaching out to him. His college coach stated unless your a 1st round pick you don't need one and basically said don't get one. For the longest time we did not. We ended up meeting in person with one advisor from ACES baseball. 4 months went by and finally this week we proceeded to secure their services. As a 2018-2019 player you don't need one right now. We are approximately 1 month before the draft and we just got ours.
So what did you feel the advantage was to not getting an advisor/agent until the time you did. Did you feel it was just a hassle, that they did not have anything to offer until the draft? I really don't why the college coach would say you do not need one unless your a 1st round pick.
2017LHPscrewball posted:There are other things that the advisor can help with besides the draft.
Can you outline some of the other benefits besides the draft?
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I agree with PG Staff and Bacdorslider
I have a Agent/Advisor who has reach out to me, PG Staff would know of him,
He said my 2019 has tools and told me to keep him updated on his development and would like to meet up with us when he was in town, now granted my 2019 is nowhere near Draft or has even verbal to college. but Im not paying anything for his input(via text or email) or thoughts on what showcases or teams my son should attend or play with . I also have local ones in town who are following my son, again they following his progress, its a business.
our first thought is college, and what school is the right fit. im enjoying the ride!!
FYI , I almost died few weeks ago , thank the lord i didn't get that stroke,
enjoy your family ,, and fight for them .. no one else will!!
When you consider that many mlb team offices now specifically hire scouts whose only job is to follow underclassmen, I fail to see how it hurts.
It's certainly not a one size fits all. One huge problem is that advisors, like recruiters, and scouts need to throw a lot of stuff on the wall to some to stick. The draft process - which begins early enough so scouts can build a data base for real use in the kids draft year - for adviso/kid relationships is a lot like the recruiting process in that the advisor does hundreds, thousands of kids and the family does (usually) one draft. Therefore, the advisor knows the magic words to warm a family's heart (something along the lines of "he's got some tools"), knows that a HS junior (or even below) and his family are on the other side of the learning curve, and can take advantage of that mismatch. Just like the RC can and often does.
If a family uses an advisor (and I'll assume no future NCAA issues - even though I have seen a bunch of half year sit outs by those who fell afoul of the advisor rules) it becomes convenient to use the advisor as THE source of information; and I think that's wrong. The family needs to muddle though the learning curve - it's only then that the family can really immerse themselves in the details which will be needed to decide which option is best for your kid.
Keep in mind the advisors financial incentives: no money until proball. Alway, always, always understand the incentives of these people. A family, and their own coaches, can determine if a kid in 11 (or lower) has a path to proball out of HS; no need for an advisor to tell you that. In this day and age, the Internet is a treasure trove of info needed to determine (a) if kid is good enough to (b) make the decision to place proball before college. Then the question becomes: at what price? I've seen HS guys sign for 35k and I've seen college juniors not sign for 150K; so the decision is personal. This is a decision which must be made by the kid and the family - an advisor who is giving out more than sources the family should read directly at the early stage we're writing about here, is, IMO, intruding. What a 11th grader (or younger) should be worrying about is improving his baseball skills, grades, scores, and keeping out of trouble. The advisor brings way too much too soon. This is the family's joint job - and for kids that age, the family has plenty of time to learn the process.
But, so long as you realize that the decision, the input, your son's future, all of it, is on the family and no part of it can be laid off on an advisor.
Please remember, I'm addressing my own personal opinion on advisors for pre-draft year kids; not draft year kids where an advisor can help maintain sanity when everyone in the house is feeling - shall we say - somewhat stressed.
TPM posted:One more thing, being invited to instructional fall ball means that the organization wants the player to improve upon things and that they want a closer look at his skills and what he can work on for spring training. Most new drafted players have no clue what spring training consists of so this is a good idea of how it works for most new players.
Its purely instructional and not to be confused with the Arizona Fall league which is considered a prospect showcase.
I've been receiving a plethora of notices of new posts on this old submission and actually needed to come back here to see the wording of my original inquiry. Upon doing so, I saw this reply from you (TPM) and realized I never responded or commented. I was wrong and was thinking of the AFL - a distinction my son DID get after last season but had a shoulder impingement and didn't get to take his roster spot on the Surprise Saguaros - and it should NOT be confused with Instructs. Thanks for the correction.
This was an old topic resurrected so anyone who posted in it will get mail.
Hope all is well with your son.
roothog66 posted:When you consider that many mlb team offices now specifically hire scouts whose only job is to follow underclassmen, I fail to see how it hurts.
I don't know - maybe it depends on the kid? And the parent?
Looking back, I thought it was a distraction for our older son in his senior year of HS and his freshman year of college. Advisors tried to advise to much? Or maybe he/we weren't smart enough to keep it at a proper perspective and distance? Caused us to pay too much attention to rankings and movement in rankings? Or the last outing? Too much attention to what the next crosschecker or scout might see or say? Too much influence trying to be exerted about college choice?
And as things weren't going as well as hoped, too much pressure to rebound ASAP? Too much information about what velo the scout from Team-X wanted to see in next outing?
Rather than just play baseball and enjoy it, there was just too much input and questions.
I'm not calling it a bad experience - I just doubt I'd do it again or at least do it the same way again. And I'd definitely not do it any earlier.
I felt that sons experienced travel coaches provided just as much info as any advisor. It all becomes a distraction. For players so young to have those distractions, no bueno.
Wondering though, is it for the kids or for the parents?
I know advisors are telling parents that they will handle the inquiries etc. Well if you have agreed you have essentially said, you are the man. Don't think that if you make a change he is going to be happy.
Follow the process. Concentrate on school, on getting better at your game, securing a solid college commitment and be prepared for draft year.
No one needs 3 years in advance for that. JMO
TPM your post makes sense to me....
FWIW: we made it clear to everyone that all communications would go through us (Mom and Dad, primarily Dad) and that we did not want joemktgson, his coaches, the high school, etc. to be burdened. Benefits: joemktgson was extricated from the periphery while all comms were centralized and coordinated.
Dad really does know best.
joemktg posted:FWIW: we made it clear to everyone that all communications would go through us (Mom and Dad, primarily Dad) and that we did not want joemktgson, his coaches, the high school, etc. to be burdened. Benefits: joemktgson was extricated from the periphery while all comms were centralized and coordinated.
Dad really does know best.
Good for you to handle your sons business and you drive the bus. If your son could possibly become very rich, seek advice but you can do that his draft year.
Entertain inquires and ask questions. Because someone tells you your fresh or soph has sc tools doesnt mean you need an advisor. If you need advice for recruiting we will help with no strings attached. Do not let anyone tell you they will talk to a HC but your sons coaches.