and bluedog, when i said anything else you can add, i was refering to more than a one line yoda like statement. im not luke skywalker....sorry
Pujols' style of batting is a lot different than your aproach.
You have good style and are getting good results.
I have to ask at what level you are playing and what pitch speed do you think you see in games.
If you are seeing high 80's and low 90's and making the contact that you are, just tweak.
If you are seeing high 70's to low 80's, you can consider making drastic changes such as the Pujols approach.
Pujols batting style may very well be the result of tweaking to get the bat to the zone in time to make contact.
The bottom line is always that the batter wants to get the bat in the zone to make the best contact possible.
You have good style and are getting good results.
I have to ask at what level you are playing and what pitch speed do you think you see in games.
If you are seeing high 80's and low 90's and making the contact that you are, just tweak.
If you are seeing high 70's to low 80's, you can consider making drastic changes such as the Pujols approach.
Pujols batting style may very well be the result of tweaking to get the bat to the zone in time to make contact.
The bottom line is always that the batter wants to get the bat in the zone to make the best contact possible.
The only suggestion I would have after all the fine advice you've gotten here, (from most) is the early straigtening of your front leg. That also can be adjusted to have more weight going forward.
When you stride, stride into the ball and instep of your front foot and let it naturally rotate open. When you hit the ball of your foot, your knee should remain firm but slightly bent or flexed. As you make contact, and you're opening up, you front side will take care of itself, just by what you're already doing in your swing.
Excuse me for not being as eloquent as Willie, but this will get a little more weight going forward for you and the impact will be greater.
When you stride, stride into the ball and instep of your front foot and let it naturally rotate open. When you hit the ball of your foot, your knee should remain firm but slightly bent or flexed. As you make contact, and you're opening up, you front side will take care of itself, just by what you're already doing in your swing.
Excuse me for not being as eloquent as Willie, but this will get a little more weight going forward for you and the impact will be greater.
yea im in legion ball right now, i'll be a senior in high school next year, so we're pretty much seeing upper 80's low 90's right now, and i have noticed i could use a little more weight going forward, i was so concered with staying back that in some of my earlier clips you can see i basically just spin, like everyone stated, cuz i had nothing going forward, so its something im gonna work on
A high level swing is all-out, balls to the wall........Ain't nothin smooth about it..... 
In my view, for the level of play that you are at, you are ahead of most players in ability.
If possible, I'd appreciate some clips of you 'swinging smooth' to compare to the earlier clips.
The parks that you are playing in at this level should be about the same size as most MLB fields (300 and change down the lines and 400 to center). Since you are able to hit the walls and over the walls, your swing is producing adequate distance.
Let me know when you 'smooth swing' one out of the park the other way (right-center field).
If possible, I'd appreciate some clips of you 'swinging smooth' to compare to the earlier clips.
The parks that you are playing in at this level should be about the same size as most MLB fields (300 and change down the lines and 400 to center). Since you are able to hit the walls and over the walls, your swing is producing adequate distance.
Let me know when you 'smooth swing' one out of the park the other way (right-center field).
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
A high level swing is all-out, balls to the wall........Ain't nothin smooth about it.....
What the **** does that mean? Really?
Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo nonsense. IMO.
I have been reading some of BlueDog's post and I have come to the conclusion that he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Remember this - it is about Beast's request for feedback on his swing.
Despite his best attempts - by no means is it about Bluedog.
Remember this - it is about Beast's request for feedback on his swing.
Despite his best attempts - by no means is it about Bluedog.
yea, i'll be sure to put some more clips up, we're off for 3 days, so i'll put some up when we start playing again, we played a college team today and killed them, the pitchers didnt seem too special and i didnt have any problems against them....and i cant talk bad about bluedog cuz i dont know him, but i wish he'd EXPLAIN his fortune cookie comments sometimes. and we play mostly home games in a field thats 330 down the lines and 400 in center, with a fairly big wall so we play in legit fields. but ive had the power to hit it out since my freshman year, i had 5 bombs on varsity.
Mechanics throughout history have invented tools to do the work or minimize the physical exertion of that work.
By swinging with form rather than power, you will be allowing the bat to do the work once you get it into the zone. You should find that home runs and doubles will come more often as well as distance to all fields.
By swinging with form rather than power, you will be allowing the bat to do the work once you get it into the zone. You should find that home runs and doubles will come more often as well as distance to all fields.
quote:By swinging with form rather than power
There is no such thing.....
quote:Mechanics throughout history have invented tools to do the work or minimize the physical exertion of that work.
So, are you working on a motorized bat?????
Who wins this match? BOBO or BD?
Let's hope the winner is Beastball
ok, first game in like 4 days....i didnt get a chance to swing at much, so i have one of my hitting a shot to third, which may not look that hard, but its one of the hardest balls ive hit this summer, and the next clip is just me fouling a ball to the right side....i tried to use the legs a little bit more, but idk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_JPeMDB2_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4KH9kbqNX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_JPeMDB2_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4KH9kbqNX0
Going without the stride presents a problem.
It looks like you are dropping the bat head a bit.
Do you feel your hips drop with the no stride front foot roll approach?
Cutting out the stride may be better to hold off on until you will see faster pitching.
Not striding will eliminate a 'step' in the 'swing' getting the bat in the zone faster.
Remember to hit the ball where it is pitched.
It looks like you are dropping the bat head a bit.
Do you feel your hips drop with the no stride front foot roll approach?
Cutting out the stride may be better to hold off on until you will see faster pitching.
Not striding will eliminate a 'step' in the 'swing' getting the bat in the zone faster.
Remember to hit the ball where it is pitched.
Great swing! Your swing reminds me so much of David Wrights. Keep up the good work!
"Play hard and practice harder"
"Play hard and practice harder"
I don't have any problem at all with the no-stride.
Overall, looking good.
On the hit to 3B, do you remember if that pitch was outside?
Just keep working. Relax, have fun, stay confident.
Overall, looking good.
On the hit to 3B, do you remember if that pitch was outside?
Just keep working. Relax, have fun, stay confident.
The 'no stride' is a quicker swing, but why get used to using it on pitches that you can handle with the stride.
When you start seeing high 90's regular is when you want that quickness.
Keep something in the tank for when the competition gets better.
One slick trick that I like to use is sending a mid 70's pitcher to the mound after a guy throwing heat. Batters see the fastball motion and are coming out of their shoes as if it were a change up.
When you start seeing high 90's regular is when you want that quickness.
Keep something in the tank for when the competition gets better.
One slick trick that I like to use is sending a mid 70's pitcher to the mound after a guy throwing heat. Batters see the fastball motion and are coming out of their shoes as if it were a change up.
The no stride Beast, has nothing to do with a quicker swing. A quick swing happens from rotating properly without lowering the backside elbow. You can do that with either a stride or without a stride.
You have way to much counter rotation and you load your swing from the arms. All that movement backwards will cause problems with timing as the pitching continues to get better.
I do like your transfer to your front side. Just start with your hands back where you are counter rotating them to and just leave them there. Be carful with the external rotation, which is flying the front hip open by using the front leg to do so.
I also see the elbow not slotting properly. A proper slot is with the elbow not against the side or hip but with a gap between the two. The elbow should be behind the hands and not inside the hands. THIS IS WHERE A QUICK SWING COMES FROM. The proper rotation with the gap between the elbow and hip.
You have way to much counter rotation and you load your swing from the arms. All that movement backwards will cause problems with timing as the pitching continues to get better.
I do like your transfer to your front side. Just start with your hands back where you are counter rotating them to and just leave them there. Be carful with the external rotation, which is flying the front hip open by using the front leg to do so.
I also see the elbow not slotting properly. A proper slot is with the elbow not against the side or hip but with a gap between the two. The elbow should be behind the hands and not inside the hands. THIS IS WHERE A QUICK SWING COMES FROM. The proper rotation with the gap between the elbow and hip.
quote:A proper slot is with the elbow not against the side or hip but with a gap between the two. The elbow should be behind the hands and not inside the hands.
You've got me puzzled here...elbow slotting properly near hip, although not brushing the hip, is still inside the hands in relation to the body unless i'm missing your point here. Would you be so kind as to explain further.
Thanks much.
quote:elbow slotting properly near hip, although not brushing the hip, is still inside the hands in relation to the body unless i'm missing your point here
NY DAD, elbow slotting happens as a result od rotation. It doesn't happen before rotation. Take a stance now pull your elbow inside the hands and against your hip. Did you do it? Stand up and do it.
Thanks, ok now keep the elbow up and as you begin to lower the elbow start to turn the shoulders. Notice how the elbow stays behind the hands. Did you do it? Do it!
The slot of the elbow is a result of staying connected and rotating properly.
quote:NY DAD, elbow slotting happens as a result of rotation. It doesn't happen before rotation.
Vance, I'm fully aware sir that slotting of the elbow occurs as result of proper connection/rotation and never implied it should happen before rotation. I simply questioned your statement:
the elbow should be behind the hands and not inside the hands
My point being the elbow is always inside the hands in relation to the body.
quote:the elbow is always inside the hands in relation to the body
Then you would have improper rotation and not a quick swing. All great hitters have the elbow behind the hands at contact and they move the bat to contact by the rotation and with the elbow behind the hands.
MLB hitters do not slot their elbows..... 
YES THEY DO SLOT THE ELBOW. What they don't do is TUCK the elbow.
They rotate to the ball.....Their elbow does what it does......No slotting.....
Vance, Your statement is a little confusing i.e. hands at contact and they move the bat to contact
The process of slotting the elbow would begin at time of launch and thru rotation wherein the elbow is inside the hands which believe was the original discussion. As far as position at point of contact, depending on pitch location i.e. middle/in, the elbow will even out in working more behind the hands.
The process of slotting the elbow would begin at time of launch and thru rotation wherein the elbow is inside the hands which believe was the original discussion. As far as position at point of contact, depending on pitch location i.e. middle/in, the elbow will even out in working more behind the hands.
ok NY DAD. Your on the page.
BLUEDOG, the elbow behind the hands and bent is a slotted elbow and it is slotted by the rotation. Tucking the elbow into the body is not slotting, ITS TUCKING, and not what ML hitters do. But Watch Vladdy's HR off Penny in the ALL Star game. That was a properly slotted elbow. It wasn't tucked into the body!
BLUEDOG, the elbow behind the hands and bent is a slotted elbow and it is slotted by the rotation. Tucking the elbow into the body is not slotting, ITS TUCKING, and not what ML hitters do. But Watch Vladdy's HR off Penny in the ALL Star game. That was a properly slotted elbow. It wasn't tucked into the body!
What I am saying is, the back elbow in a high level swing is a non-issue......
Now, if you try to manipulate what the back elbow does, you will make it an issue.....And, not a good issue, at all....
Now, if you try to manipulate what the back elbow does, you will make it an issue.....And, not a good issue, at all....
What I'm saying is that it is an issue for young players who are not in pro ball or the ML's. Most do it wrong and need to be shown how it is done properly!
quote:Vladdy's HR off Penny in the ALL Star game. That was a properly slotted elbow. It wasn't tucked into the body!
Vance is absolutely correct about the elbow slotting properly in that swing even though it was a little late against 98MPH FB and VLADDY barely caught up with it
Bet if Penny would have thrown a 85 MPH CH before that 98MPH FB VLADDY would not have caught up with it peace, Shep
Point being slotting of the back elbow is a
byproduct of staying connected thru rotation, not a deliberate action i.e. tucking first.
byproduct of staying connected thru rotation, not a deliberate action i.e. tucking first.
yes NY DAD. But what I see all the time is kids tucking the elbow because all they here is stay inside the ball. NOW thats the NON TEACH. Saying stay inside the ball!
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I have a Master's too :>
Hasta Luego and GOOD LUCK to all. Peace, Shep
I have a Master's too :>
Vance, agreed it's a non-teach and when consciously tucking the back elbow it becomes an issue which was BD's point.
quote:Originally posted by NYdad:
Point being slotting of the back elbow is a
byproduct of staying connected thru rotation, not a deliberate action i.e. tucking first.
I agree it's not deliberate and is an effect of other things. Wouldn't one of those things be POSTURE? I'm pretty sure I can slot my back elbow during a swing in which I totally let my hands take over (and push to the ball), i.e. disconnect???
Perhaps it's a combo of proper posture AND connection, but I would think that the posture is a bit more important in this context (automatic/subconscious elbow slotting).
My 2 cents.
Sandman,
Posture (spine angle) establishes swing path/trajectory based on the hitters pre-deterimed point of contact....letting your hands take over and pushing to the ball as you say is disconnecting but not necessarily related to posture...we are talking about a high-level swing and how your elbow will slot naturally...if your pushing to the ball, what your back elbow is doing becomes moot as you have bigger problems
Posture (spine angle) establishes swing path/trajectory based on the hitters pre-deterimed point of contact....letting your hands take over and pushing to the ball as you say is disconnecting but not necessarily related to posture...we are talking about a high-level swing and how your elbow will slot naturally...if your pushing to the ball, what your back elbow is doing becomes moot as you have bigger problems
Sandman...yes you are the man. You have it! Thanks
