ARIZONA Team Forfeits Baseball Championship Final

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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"I've been called worse...today even."

That's right papi...I called you "a big prawn" earlier. You can handle it!

That reminds me...when using Panko crumbs should I deep fry 'em at 350°F or 375°F?



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How should he know? That's women's work, ain't it?

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Originally posted by Rob T:
If you let women on the baseball field, next thing you know they're going to want the right to vote and have jobs and such.

Best to nip this in the bud while we can guys.

Seriously, I did play in a girl's baseball league back in the '70s in the western suburbs of Chicago. A few of us could play well. Just were afraid that some of the other girls would get hurt. My brother's Little League coach said that he would have fought to get me on his team if I had been a year younger (league age for his team). I hung around their practices, warmed up the pitchers, and hit the ball over his left fielder's head. I have always loved baseball and passed that onto my son. I don't think playing softball would have been quite the same (especially back then).

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by Rob T:
If you let women on the baseball field, next thing you know they're going to want the right to vote and have jobs and such.

Best to nip this in the bud while we can guys.

Worse yet, they might let them play golf.

And then they're going to want combat duty in the military!

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"How should he know? That's women's work, ain't it?"

If you want to eat it ain't! "Girls just want to have fun...men just want to have eats!"




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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
And then they're going to want combat duty in the military!

my daughter.......a 23 yr old wife, mother, nursing school student, US Army specialist, HUMVEE driver....AND sharpshooter with the M16 A4.....

If a woman earns several hundred thousand dollars a year, show me a man who enjoy spending it. In fact, I bet some of those students have gasp, mom's that work! That helps pay the tuition but what BS, won't even play against a girl, not teaching those kids anything remotely religious. God doesn't see women as inferior.

Regardless of being a private Catholic school, this school accepted and was accepted to play in the league. The was not ban on girls when they entered into the agreement to play in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be allowed to play in the league.

As a "mackerel snapper" myself, I am embarrassed by them.

This is silly. I'm Catholic and I can't believe the school did this.

I've actually met a small number of girls who played college baseball in mostly small D3 schools in the northeast. I met them when I went up to watch a USA girls baseball tournament in Racine, Wisconsin a couple of years ago. It's pretty fascinating, really, to watch college girls play baseball and not softball. It's a much different game.

Our high school baseball coach asked my older daughter if she would play baseball instead of softball---he said she had a much better arm than the guys on the team. She declined.....but I would have supported her if she agreed.

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:

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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
And then they're going to want combat duty in the military!

my daughter.......a 23 yr old wife, mother, nursing school student, US Army specialist, HUMVEE driver....AND sharpshooter with the M16 A4.....

So which one is she? Because she can't be all of them. My wife.....homemaker.

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Originally posted by calisportsfan:
If a woman earns several hundred thousand dollars a year, show me a man who enjoy spending it. In fact, I bet some of those students have gasp, mom's that work! That helps pay the tuition but what BS, won't even play against a girl, not teaching those kids anything remotely religious. God doesn't see women as inferior. God doesn't see women as inferior.

Gen 3:16

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Originally posted by play baseball:
This is silly. I'm Catholic and I can't believe the school did this. I'm Catholic and I can't believe the school did this.

I've actually met a small number of girls who played college baseball in mostly small D3 schools in the northeast. I met them when I went up to watch a USA girls baseball tournament in Racine, Wisconsin a couple of years ago. It's pretty fascinating, really, to watch college girls play baseball and not softball. It's a much different game.

Our high school baseball coach asked my older daughter if she would play baseball instead of softball---he said she had a much better arm than the guys on the team. She declined.....but I would have supported her if she agreed.

If you studied Catholic history you would understand that this school holds to the pre-vatican II views of the Catholic Church which discouraged women trying to act equal to a man or holding authority over a man. So actually this private school is being very consistent.

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This is silly. I'm Catholic and I can't believe the school did this.

If you read the entire article you would have noticed this group broke with the Vatican years ago. Comparing this independent sect to the Catholic church would be like comparing a Mormon fundamentalist sect who broke away from the LDS church and practices polygamy with the Mormon Church.

it doesn't matter what kind of Catholic the school is. They wanted to play as part of this league, then they play as the league plays. If they can't do that, they can find a like minded league or stay home.

bostonbulldog:

I have had Catholic history crammed down my throat since birth. Nowhere has the Catholic church said anything about baseball or who can play and when. These people are cultish and an embarrassment to themselves. (And they are cowardly, too. Probably they thought their team might lose to a team with a girl, so they hid behind some ridiculous philosophy).

If it were up to me, this school would play against every other school and player, or they would not be allowed in the league.

That about covers it.

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Originally posted by jemaz:
bostonbulldog:

I have had Catholic history crammed down my throat since birth. Nowhere has the Catholic church said anything about baseball or who can play and when. These people are cultish and an embarrassment to themselves. (And they are cowardly, too. Probably they thought their team might lose to a team with a girl, so they hid behind some ridiculous philosophy).

If it were up to me, this school would play against every other school and player, or they would not be allowed in the league.

That about covers it.

Fortunately it isn't up to you.

Easy decision, they willfully forfeited a game because of discrimination.That's the definition of poor sportsmanship in my book. That should be enough to kick them out of the league. Those involved should stand up for what's right.

Yes, they are welcome to play against like minded schools, good luck with that as most of us teach tolerance and equality.

bostonbulldogbaseball- In your line of work, are there not females that are competing for employment positions? I would think an educational institution should teach their children in order to best prepare them for the challenges and realities they'll face once they enter the job market. Whether you agree with that practice or not, it's the way of the world that we live in. I don't disagree with strong religious beliefs and standing by those philosophies, but I question the prioritization of such actions in a situation such as this one.

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Originally posted by jemaz:
bostonbulldog:

I have had Catholic history crammed down my throat since birth. Nowhere has the Catholic church said anything about baseball or who can play and when. These people are cultish and an embarrassment to themselves. (And they are cowardly, too. Probably they thought their team might lose to a team with a girl, so they hid behind some ridiculous philosophy).

If it were up to me, this school would play against every other school and player, or they would not be allowed in the league.

That about covers it.

I was brought up Catholic as well and jemaz echos my thoughts completly.

http://www.baseball.com.au/default.asp?Page=85259.

Fortunately there is a country with an "open" mind.

On June 2 at U of San Francisco, the USA Women's Baseball Junior team will conduct a tryout for the National Team.

Many years ago while playing in the old Basin League [South Dakota[ I played against the real ladies from the Woman's pro league in 2 exhibition games.

We switched pitcher and catcher a and played strong games. We had two future MLB players on our team.

The real Dottie was the Left Fielder, not catcher as in the movie "League of its own".
A true experience that I will never forget.

Bob

I am such a barbarian!

My son says to me, "Dad, do you know why women's feet are shorter then men's?" Thinking he was going to give me an insightful answer he learned at school, I said, "No... Why?" With a perfectly straight face he says, "It allows them to stand closer to the kitchen sink".

I laughed... such a barbarian.

If we think chicken and beer are a distraction what do you think the sexual tension of a woman on the bench will yield? Someone should check the Twins dug-out (10-24).

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Originally posted by J H:
bostonbulldogbaseball- In your line of work, are there not females that are competing for employment positions? I would think an educational institution should teach their children in order to best prepare them for the challenges and realities they'll face once they enter the job market. Whether you agree with that practice or not, it's the way of the world that we live in. I don't disagree with strong religious beliefs and standing by those philosophies, but I question the prioritization of such actions in a situation such as this one.

The private school stuck by their religious belief and didn't waver.

I'm glad you don't have a problem with those with strong religious beliefs.

I spent 7th grade at a small Christian school in the 70's. Roughly 90 kids in 8 grades. The three things I remember about my year there are:

1) On our basketball taam we started a girl with 2' long pigtails that used to fly all over the place and intimidae the guys on other teams because they thought she was crazy.

2) I broke a girls arm in a dodge ball game in gym class with a red rubber gym ball from point blank range. She didn't cry.

3) I met my first girlfriend there it is was one of the greatest feelings ever when we had the first fumbling kiss at the movies.

So the three lessens I learned were that women are unafraid and tough but if you can make them laugh they will be nice to you! Never underestimate them.

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And the movie the two of you fumbled through?






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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Regardless of being a private Catholic school, this school accepted and was accepted to play in the league. The was not ban on girls when they entered into the agreement to play in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be allowed to play in the league.

As a "mackerel snapper" myself, I am embarrassed by them.

Did you read my post?

Did you read the larger, more detailed article?

This school CHECKED with all the school BEFORE the season started about any girls on their teams. There were NONE. She was added after.

They had already did the same thing when there were girls on another team.

Their beliefs. Their PRIVATE school, which parents PAY For. Their money, their kids.

It's a non issue.

Yeah, I did read the entire article, and yeah, I did study church history, and yeah, I am old enough to remember the pre-Vatican Council days.

I will also say that some of our finest "Catholic" universities have broken from the Vatican.

"As a Catholic school, we promote the ideal of forming and educating boys and girls separately during the adolescent years" ... is this an all-boy school? If it's co-ed, do they hold separate classes for boys and girls besides p.e.?

I'm thinking of the players on the team who (I assume) worked really hard to be in the position of playing in the championship game. Unless the team voted to forfeit the game, I am sad for them. They may never have the experience again for playing in a championship game, let alone for the state title.

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Their money, their kids.

It's a non issue.

And others' kids thrown into it as well. This affected a lot more than just the 15+ kids on this team. It affected numerous schools.

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Originally posted by Rob T:
If you let women on the baseball field, next thing you know they're going to want the right to vote and have jobs and such.

Best to nip this in the bud while we can guys.

What if they want to play basketball next?

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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And the movie the two of you fumbled through?






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Young Frankenstein....It's alive....IT"S AAAALLLIIIIIVE!!!!

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Originally posted by ctandc:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Regardless of being a private Catholic school, this school accepted and was accepted to play in the league. The was not ban on girls when they entered into the agreement to play in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be allowed to play in the league.

As a "mackerel snapper" myself, I am embarrassed by them.

Did you read my post?

Did you read the larger, more detailed article?

This school CHECKED with all the school BEFORE the season started about any girls on their teams. There were NONE. She was added after.

They had already did the same thing when there were girls on another team.

Their beliefs. Their PRIVATE school, which parents PAY For. Their money, their kids.

It's a non issue.

Does the league prohibit girls from playing? No? Then if you're playing in the league, follow the rules. That simple. Doesn't matter who's paying. Play by the rules or find another league.

Good article, if its already been posted, sorry....

http://www.grantland.com/story...ship-rather-play-her

Excellent article. It puts things into a clearer perspective, and with this new knowledge, I will amend my original opinion of it being "silly" to agreeing with the author of the article as this being an embarrassment. On many many levels.


And sad. On many many levels.
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by ctandc:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Regardless of being a private Catholic school, this school accepted and was accepted to play in the league. The was not ban on girls when they entered into the agreement to play in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be allowed to play in the league.

As a "mackerel snapper" myself, I am embarrassed by them.

Did you read my post?

Did you read the larger, more detailed article?

This school CHECKED with all the school BEFORE the season started about any girls on their teams. There were NONE. She was added after.

They had already did the same thing when there were girls on another team.

Their beliefs. Their PRIVATE school, which parents PAY For. Their money, their kids.

It's a non issue.

Does the league prohibit girls from playing? No? Then if you're playing in the league, follow the rules. That simple. Doesn't matter who's paying. Play by the rules or find another league.

The league doesn't prohibit cats and dogs from playing either. So what's your point?

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The league doesn't prohibit cats and dogs from playing either. So what's your point?

Point is if you hadn't already lost the argument, you did there. This isn't "Air Bud"

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Originally posted by ironhorse:
Good article, if its already been posted, sorry....

http://www.grantland.com/story...ship-rather-play-her

I like the fact that the author denigrates the leader of the private school because the author disagrees with his stance on women.

So basically you are a crackpot if you don't hold to common opinion?

I personally choose to raise my daughters to wear dresses, not play sports and learn from my wife traits to be a good mother. These values were commonly held before 1965 but now are out of date. (Side note is the Vatican 2 occurred around 1965. Coincidence?)

I guess in the authors eyes I would be a crackpot. So be it.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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The league doesn't prohibit cats and dogs from playing either. So what's your point?

Point is if you hadn't already lost the argument, you did there. This isn't "Air Bud"

I never lose an argument.

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"I never lose an argument."

"I dunno' Bulldog, we've searched it over three times now. You're argument is nowhere to be found."......"Keep looking, I never lose an argument."

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bostonbulldogbaseball- I don't judge people based on their personal lives or their religious beliefs, and I certainly don't do so over the Internet. But you 100% lost any argument you had, and a lot of respect, by completely ignoring my question.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
Gen 3:16

Proof that God didn't write the bible, a man did.

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Originally posted by mcmmccm:
If we think chicken and beer are a distraction what do you think the sexual tension of a woman on the bench will yield? Someone should check the Twins dug-out (10-24).

And I bet you think Don't Ask Don't Tell was a good policy too, right?

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Originally posted by ironhorse:
Good article, if its already been posted, sorry....

http://www.grantland.com/story...ship-rather-play-her

Gotta love the “modern” media. First off, since I know someone will go there, someone always does.

I’m not Catholic. I’m all for women playing sports. My wife works. So if you want to make this about me, go for it, I truly could care less.

This article that was linked? The guy is just looking to stir the pot. He makes huge assumptions and calls to judgment. He’s apparently a professional pot-stirrer. His fact-checking could use a little work though…but let’s be real, when has fact-checking been an issue for the modern media? If it’s on the internet, it’s got to be true. Right?

Believe what you want to believe. That’s you’re right. I’m fine with that.

But the facts are that this school checked before the season started to verify if ANY of the schools they competed against fielded female players.

In fact I’ll quote one of the original reports on this from the local new channel where this occurred:

“This isn't the first time the issue has come up. Our Lady of Sorrows pulled out of a flag football tournament before it began last October because some teams had female members, Baum said.
Before the baseball season started, Our Lady of Sorrows asked all of its potential opponents if they had girls on their teams. At that point Mesa Preparatory did not -- Sultzbach came on board later -- so the religious school did not learn of her participation until the first time they played, Baum said.”
So they checked AHEAD OF TIME. All these schools knew it had ALREADY been an issue, when this school pulled out of a flag football tournament.

Come on. Grandstand much? How come it wasn’t an issue when she “voluntarily” sat during the two regular season meetings between the schools?

I feel for the girl. Unfortunately she had become a bit player in a story that is all about everyone else garnering attention and looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

Where were the idiots running this league? Did they not know about this during the regular season meetings? Why wasn’t the second place team behind Lady of Sorrows put into the Championship game?

Did it take a mathematical genius to figure out the POSSIBILITY of this school, with a HISTORY of not competing with girls on the field, meeting the UNDEFEATED school in the state championship?

Do I agree with the views expressed by this school? No. But then I don’t PAY money out of my pocket for my kids to go to that PRIVATE (I love the charter billing, with a line through it in an obviously edited after the fact version of the article quoted above. I’m not from Arizona and it took me 5 minutes to find out this was a PRIVATE school. Lazy much?) SCHOOL.

I don’t have to AGREE with someone’s opinions or beliefs to RESPECT their RIGHT to said opinions or beliefs.

If all the people in our nation would read that line above and at least try to understand it, it would be a much different place.

More of a “good fences make good neighbors” policy than a kumbaya and “hold hands around the fire” policy.

The author of that Grantland piece is about as liberal as it gets. He’s just as bad as the far right. Last I checked most people in this country live and work in the MIDDLE.

If you don’t agree with something, then by all means make personal attacks on people, back up your argument with enough factoids to make it seem plausible, and as long as your reader doesn’t do their due diligence, you have another convert.

Welcome to the herd.

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