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Originally posted by J H:
bostonbulldogbaseball- I don't judge people based on their personal lives or their religious beliefs, and I certainly don't do so over the Internet. But you 100% lost any argument you had, and a lot of respect, by completely ignoring my question.


I'll be sure to lose sleep over your lack of respect for me.

The answer to your question "In your line of work, are there not females that are competing for employment positions?" is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

I have no control over my employers hiring habits but I do have influence in my family.
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Originally posted by ctandc:
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Originally posted by ironhorse:
Good article, if its already been posted, sorry....

http://www.grantland.com/story...ship-rather-play-her


Gotta love the “modern” media. First off, since I know someone will go there, someone always does.

I’m not Catholic. I’m all for women playing sports. My wife works. So if you want to make this about me, go for it, I truly could care less.

This article that was linked? The guy is just looking to stir the pot. He makes huge assumptions and calls to judgment. He’s apparently a professional pot-stirrer. His fact-checking could use a little work though…but let’s be real, when has fact-checking been an issue for the modern media? If it’s on the internet, it’s got to be true. Right?

Believe what you want to believe. That’s you’re right. I’m fine with that.

But the facts are that this school checked before the season started to verify if ANY of the schools they competed against fielded female players.

In fact I’ll quote one of the original reports on this from the local new channel where this occurred:

“This isn't the first time the issue has come up. Our Lady of Sorrows pulled out of a flag football tournament before it began last October because some teams had female members, Baum said.
Before the baseball season started, Our Lady of Sorrows asked all of its potential opponents if they had girls on their teams. At that point Mesa Preparatory did not -- Sultzbach came on board later -- so the religious school did not learn of her participation until the first time they played, Baum said.”
So they checked AHEAD OF TIME. All these schools knew it had ALREADY been an issue, when this school pulled out of a flag football tournament.

Come on. Grandstand much? How come it wasn’t an issue when she “voluntarily” sat during the two regular season meetings between the schools?

I feel for the girl. Unfortunately she had become a bit player in a story that is all about everyone else garnering attention and looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

Where were the idiots running this league? Did they not know about this during the regular season meetings? Why wasn’t the second place team behind Lady of Sorrows put into the Championship game?

Did it take a mathematical genius to figure out the POSSIBILITY of this school, with a HISTORY of not competing with girls on the field, meeting the UNDEFEATED school in the state championship?

Do I agree with the views expressed by this school? No. But then I don’t PAY money out of my pocket for my kids to go to that PRIVATE (I love the charter billing, with a line through it in an obviously edited after the fact version of the article quoted above. I’m not from Arizona and it took me 5 minutes to find out this was a PRIVATE school. Lazy much?) SCHOOL.

I don’t have to AGREE with someone’s opinions or beliefs to RESPECT their RIGHT to said opinions or beliefs.

If all the people in our nation would read that line above and at least try to understand it, it would be a much different place.

More of a “good fences make good neighbors” policy than a kumbaya and “hold hands around the fire” policy.

The author of that Grantland piece is about as liberal as it gets. He’s just as bad as the far right. Last I checked most people in this country live and work in the MIDDLE.

If you don’t agree with something, then by all means make personal attacks on people, back up your argument with enough factoids to make it seem plausible, and as long as your reader doesn’t do their due diligence, you have another convert.

Welcome to the herd.

Next.


Wow! Great post!

For most it's "**** the facts full speed ahead"
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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by ctandc:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Regardless of being a private Catholic school, this school accepted and was accepted to play in the league. The was not ban on girls when they entered into the agreement to play in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be allowed to play in the league.

As a "mackerel snapper" myself, I am embarrassed by them.


Did you read my post?

Did you read the larger, more detailed article?

This school CHECKED with all the school BEFORE the season started about any girls on their teams. There were NONE. She was added after.

They had already did the same thing when there were girls on another team.

Their beliefs. Their PRIVATE school, which parents PAY For. Their money, their kids.

It's a non issue.


Does the league prohibit girls from playing? No? Then if you're playing in the league, follow the rules. That simple. Doesn't matter who's paying. Play by the rules or find another league.


The league doesn't prohibit cats and dogs from playing either. So what's your point?


My point is that the the school needs to follow the rule of the league. The league allows girls to play. If they can't follow the rules they should not play in that league. Is that so hard to follow?
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).


You cannot have it both ways. If girls are allowed to play on boys teams, then boys should be allowed to play on girls teams. Some schools have girls volleyball and tennis teams, but none for the boys. So should boys be allowed to play on the girls teams?
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).

You cannot have it both ways. If girls are allowed to play on boys teams, then boys should be allowed to play on girls teams. Some schools have girls volleyball and tennis teams, but none for the boys. So should boys be allowed to play on the girls teams?
If there isn't a team for a boy's sport of choice the law allows him to play on the girls team. While girls are the major benefactors of Title IX the law is about equal opportunity. There are boys who have moved to the US from Europe where field hockey is a mens sport, playing on girls field hockey teams. The rule in PA says the boys must be in compliance with uniform requirements. Guess what they have to wear?
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).


You cannot have it both ways. If girls are allowed to play on boys teams, then boys should be allowed to play on girls teams. Some schools have girls volleyball and tennis teams, but none for the boys. So should boys be allowed to play on the girls teams?


But the point in this case was that the school did not have a girl's softball team. This was her only option.

Personally, as the level of girl's sports continues to rise, maybe going coed won't be a big deal in the future. In tennis, we already have mixed doubles. I always enjoyed competing with the guys especially in doubles when I would continue to creep in to take the serve on the rise and they would continue to try to overhit. It was fun watching their frustration increase. Big Grin
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).


You cannot have it both ways. If girls are allowed to play on boys teams, then boys should be allowed to play on girls teams. Some schools have girls volleyball and tennis teams, but none for the boys. So should boys be allowed to play on the girls teams?


But the point in this case was that the school did not have a girl's softball team. This was her only option.

Personally, as the level of girl's sports continues to rise, maybe going coed won't be a big deal in the future. In tennis, we already have mixed doubles. I always enjoyed competing with the guys especially in doubles when I would continue to creep in to take the serve on the rise and they would continue to try to overhit. It was fun watching their frustration increase. Big Grin


What a joke. Tennis is promoted as a co-ed sport, but the top woman pro in the world cannot beat the #1000 ranked man.
It might be fun to think women are physically equal to men, but they are not. When you get out and play recreational tennis against men you might beat a few of them if they are not good players (same with most sports that have no physical contact). That does not mean sports like baseball will become co-ed unless liberals in the court system somehow enforce it on society. Most people do not believe in affirmative action but the courts and liberals have imposed it on us. However if you try to make sports teams co-ed or take a certain % of minorities (whites in basketball-blacks in hockey-women in football)people will revolt because it would dilute the talent of their teams.
Why they don't revolt with talent dilution in the workplace is a mystery, but more and more the tide is shifting.
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by VaRHPmom:
Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).


You cannot have it both ways. If girls are allowed to play on boys teams, then boys should be allowed to play on girls teams. Some schools have girls volleyball and tennis teams, but none for the boys. So should boys be allowed to play on the girls teams?


But the point in this case was that the school did not have a girl's softball team. This was her only option.

Personally, as the level of girl's sports continues to rise, maybe going coed won't be a big deal in the future. In tennis, we already have mixed doubles. I always enjoyed competing with the guys especially in doubles when I would continue to creep in to take the serve on the rise and they would continue to try to overhit. It was fun watching their frustration increase. Big Grin


What a joke. Tennis is promoted as a co-ed sport, but the top woman pro in the world cannot beat the #1000 ranked man.
It might be fun to think women are physically equal to men, but they are not. When you get out and play recreational tennis against men you might beat a few of them if they are not good players (same with most sports that have no physical contact). That does not mean sports like baseball will become co-ed unless liberals in the court system somehow enforce it on society. Most people do not believe in affirmative action but the courts and liberals have imposed it on us. However if you try to make sports teams co-ed or take a certain % of minorities (whites in basketball-blacks in hockey-women in football)people will revolt because it would dilute the talent of their teams.
Why they don't revolt with talent dilution in the workplace is a mystery, but more and more the tide is shifting.


Sorry, I thought we were talking about high school team sports not professional.

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