The bad thing about Pedro's arm action is having to hit against it.
PG,
The bad thing about Pedro's arm action is having to hit against it.
The bad thing about Pedro's arm action is having to hit against it.
"Everyone is different. There is no one right arm action."
I certainly understand this and I don't think that I asked anywhere on this thread for THE arm action. If you refer to my most recent post, I am wondering what everyone posting on this forum likes for arm action individually; that is, what YOU would use, did use, or currently use while pitching to deliver the ball. If you would have used a variety of different arm paths while pitching (which would seem illogical to me), then that's fine.
I certainly understand this and I don't think that I asked anywhere on this thread for THE arm action. If you refer to my most recent post, I am wondering what everyone posting on this forum likes for arm action individually; that is, what YOU would use, did use, or currently use while pitching to deliver the ball. If you would have used a variety of different arm paths while pitching (which would seem illogical to me), then that's fine.
One has to wonder though, if it's from a lack of throwing from a mound.
An example would be running a mile. You'll feel some soreness at first, but the more you do it, the easier it becomes.
With pitching, throwing a 30-40-50 pitch bullpen when (at least in MLB, 12 pitch innings = 108 pitches) you're required to throw quite a bit more than that.
While some arm soreness could be from different factors, it could be from a lack of specific training (pitching) with the required amount of repetitions (108 pitches)
An example would be running a mile. You'll feel some soreness at first, but the more you do it, the easier it becomes.
With pitching, throwing a 30-40-50 pitch bullpen when (at least in MLB, 12 pitch innings = 108 pitches) you're required to throw quite a bit more than that.
While some arm soreness could be from different factors, it could be from a lack of specific training (pitching) with the required amount of repetitions (108 pitches)
A marathon runner isn't likely to train running in excess of the race distance. They build up to near the distance and rely on conditioning, nutrition, and adrenaline to take them the distance. IMO lots of running along with a reasonable bullpen schedule is much more likely to produce resuls than simply throwing excessive pitches from the bump. BTW, I think bbscout knows this game and all can benefit from his wisdom (even w/o the video evidence, right TPG?)
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Pitcher's toe.
There is a plastic cover that can be put on to protect the toe and a spray on aswell.
There is a plastic cover that can be put on to protect the toe and a spray on aswell.
UNH,
When I was young I pushed the ball and was somewhat sidearm. Got lots of movement but didn't throw hard. I overcompensated and went to a nearly over the top motion that was similar to Don Sutton's except I didn't throw anywhere near as hard as he did. Was that the best motion for me? I have no idea. It was simply what I came up with through trial and error.
My son has very similar arm action to Oswalt. Is that the ideal for him? I have no idea.
When I was young I pushed the ball and was somewhat sidearm. Got lots of movement but didn't throw hard. I overcompensated and went to a nearly over the top motion that was similar to Don Sutton's except I didn't throw anywhere near as hard as he did. Was that the best motion for me? I have no idea. It was simply what I came up with through trial and error.
My son has very similar arm action to Oswalt. Is that the ideal for him? I have no idea.
Having reveiwed the clips I would have to say that EVERYONE of the pitchers demonstrate the effects of a "Scap Load". Some of them don't drive the elbow back at break but still get the elbow behind the acrimonial line. This enables the athlete to use the elastic response of the chest to enhance the delivery.
As far as Ideal arm action? One that sustains a good total body conection in a fluid transfer of energy. That would vary with the nature of any given athlete's delivery.
Rollerman
To me, there is a very big difference between arm path or arm angle and arm action.
The same difference that there is from fielding the ball and throwing it using Ozzie Smith's technique and having Ozzie Smith's fielding action.
A pitcher could copy Nolan Ryan's delivery to a T, but not have anything close to having his arm action.
The same difference that there is from fielding the ball and throwing it using Ozzie Smith's technique and having Ozzie Smith's fielding action.
A pitcher could copy Nolan Ryan's delivery to a T, but not have anything close to having his arm action.
quote:IMO lots of running along with a reasonable bullpen schedule is much more likely to produce resuls than simply throwing excessive pitches from the bump.
Yes, being conditioned and eating well all help as well, I'm not saying to ignore it.
But to get better at a two phase motor skill, you have to practice that two phase motor skill with the same game-like intensity.
Conditioning and eating well play a role also.
But I think this is a little of topic.. nonetheless, I think this topic will help a lot of pitchers and coaches alike
Edited: And a reasonable bullpen schedule would be to throw AT LEAST the amount of pitches you're required to in a game.
"But to get better at a two phase motor skill, you have to practice that two phase motor skill with the same game-like intensity."
I agree. I think that there is so much concern about injury and so-called "revolutionary" methods of training and performance enhancement that people forget what performance they are actually trying to enhance.
I think there is definitely something to be said for Daisuke Matsuzaka's training practices, where he places a large emphasis on throwing bullpens and rehearsing his mechanics. It may sound crazy to us that he throws a 100 pitch bullpen the day after a game, but to me he seems healthy, well-conditioned, and a very polished pitcher.
I agree. I think that there is so much concern about injury and so-called "revolutionary" methods of training and performance enhancement that people forget what performance they are actually trying to enhance.
I think there is definitely something to be said for Daisuke Matsuzaka's training practices, where he places a large emphasis on throwing bullpens and rehearsing his mechanics. It may sound crazy to us that he throws a 100 pitch bullpen the day after a game, but to me he seems healthy, well-conditioned, and a very polished pitcher.
UNHBaseball, I agree with you on practicing at game speed to a degree. I used to think that slower speeds practice was just a waste of time. My son is a power guy who now does short boxes and slower throws depending on what he is working. Sometimes he works grips and feel for the grips at slow speeds. Sometimes he just wants to feel where he is at points in his delivery. He does that at slower speeds and shorter distances. One of his pitching coaches made a hugh difference and almost never had him throw at 100%. A lot of MLB pitchers throw 8-10 mph slower in Spring Training games than in the regular season.
Talked to a AA pitcher tonight on the phone. Maddox pitched against them in Spring trainging and was throwing 78 mph fastballs. (He gave up one hit in 5 innings). During the season he will rev it up to 85.
Talked to a AA pitcher tonight on the phone. Maddox pitched against them in Spring trainging and was throwing 78 mph fastballs. (He gave up one hit in 5 innings). During the season he will rev it up to 85.
